French Police sniper kills gunman responsible for Jewish school and soldier shootings - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Sharq;35246500]i honestly want to know why this is shouted so much, is there a Western equivalent that isn't used anymore?[/QUOTE] URRAH FOR OL' NOSEY!

[QUOTE=shian;35247429]You know, its crazy how this guy survived under siege, over 30 hours, by 300 FUCKING POLICE officers. How the fuck did he even last that long[/QUOTE] Perhaps because they where not trying to kill him for 30 hours.

[QUOTE=Jaks0;35256794]Why the fuck do you people have to bring religion into everything? And yeah good, deserved to die[/QUOTE] Because religion is a motivation for religious people to perform violent acts.

nobody deserves death for their crimes rehabilitation should be top priority, no matter what

[QUOTE=Icedshot;35259022]Because religion is a motivation for religious people to perform violent acts.[/QUOTE] But if religion wasn't there something else would be here as an excuse for violent people to commit violent acts. [editline]23rd March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=shian;35247429]You know, its crazy how this guy survived under siege, over 30 hours, by 300 FUCKING POLICE officers. How the fuck did he even last that long[/QUOTE] Because they didn't try to assault the place for 30 hours, they tried to enter a first time very early, it resulted in a failure and two cops hurt, so they entered negotiations with him and after 30 hours they decided to storm in and shoot the guy because he denied any possibility of surrender.

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;35247082]Yes he should, he killed a lot of people because he's a goddamn psychopath.[/QUOTE] If you take away someone's basic right (the right to life) because they have killed you are no different to them. Taking people to trial instead of just executing them on the spot is what separates civilized people from others.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;35259111] Because they didn't try to assault the place for 30 hours, they tried to enter a first time very early, it resulted in a failure and two cops hurt, so they entered negotiations with him and after 30 hours they decided to storm in and shoot the guy because he denied any possibility of surrender.[/QUOTE] this. If they just wanted to kill him they'd level the building, or just pop a couple grenades in that room. It's good that no cops died.

[QUOTE=Jaks0;35256794]Why the fuck do you people have to bring religion into everything? And yeah good, deserved to die[/QUOTE] Did we bring religion into it, or did this "Mohammed" do so?

[QUOTE=trotskygrad;35259179]this. If they just wanted to kill him they'd level the building, or just pop a couple grenades in that room.[/QUOTE] Hum yeah no, they would have inspected the indoors with that little robot thing they used much earlier, and just stormed in earlier.

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;35259093]nobody deserves death for their crimes rehabilitation should be top priority, no matter what[/QUOTE] How do you rehabilitate a person who believes with every fiber of their being that what they are doing is right? I mean I understand what you're saying, death as a direct result of one's crimes is a little hasty, but rehabilitating a thief is much different that rehabilitating someone who has likely devoted their life to causing harm to those they percieve as a threat to their interests.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;35259271]How do you rehabilitate a person who believes with every fiber of their being that what they are doing is right? I mean I understand what you're saying, death as a direct result of one's crimes is a little hasty, but rehabilitating a thief is much different that rehabilitating someone who has likely devoted their life to causing harm to those they percieve as a threat to their interests.[/QUOTE] every person has a weakness you have to break their belief that what they're doing is right

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;35259200]Hum yeah no, they would have inspected the indoors with that little robot thing they used much earlier, and just stormed in earlier.[/QUOTE] I'm talking about if they just wanted him dead, with maximum safety and speed, that's what they would have done. Yes, raids are more standard, but Chicago Police are actually notorious for just shooting through the walls when approaching perps who are armed and holed up, to preserve their own safety.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;35247874]Yeah turn him into a martyr. Prove his point. Do you realize how much these guys love martyrdom? They even go and blow themselves fucking up. Show them that they can kill a few and die fighting, while even still keeping their honor, praising their god. Do you realize that this is the best ending there could be for him? If he got tried publicly and jailed, people would see there is justice, there are rules that apply for everyone, regardless the religion or what they did, that the justice is truly blind and fair. Now they will see a warrior who killed their enemies, and fought, getting killed by the enemies, as he expected and predicted. For them who firmly believe into the religion and into what they are doing, death is nothing but reward, and this will only reassure and rouse others who think the same way he did. I don't know anything about the situation and the cops could have been well enough defending their own health which would obviously justify doing this to keep themselves safe - but - him getting simply shot is no victory at all. It's a loss.[/QUOTE] The guy was attempting an escape, he had already tried to kill several officers and had already killed a number of civilians, and negotiations were over. As much as arresting the guy for questioning - and torture, as you people seem to love - would help, the guy probably wouldn't of budged. And even if he did, Al-Qaeda has plenty more disposables at their usage. The sniper took the shot for a reason, and that was to keep the killer from getting away; bitching and moaning about how they could've arrested him won't solve anything when the opportunity did not arise without the risk of officers dying (to our knowledge). And I hope no one believes that taking the risk of the officer's lives would justify trying to arrest him alive.

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;35259328]every person has a weakness you have to break their belief that what they're doing is right[/QUOTE] So you have to brainwash them?

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;35259576]So you have to brainwash them?[/QUOTE] You have to teach them the errors of their ways through objective facts and what can be learnt from those facts. If that's brainwashing, I'm scared for a world without it.

[QUOTE=Cone;35259633]You have to teach them the errors of their ways through objective facts and what can be learnt from those facts. If that's brainwashing, I'm scared for a world without it.[/QUOTE] Hahaha, oh wow. The guy is a muslim, he is fighting for Muslims, albeit in a roundabout kind of way that'll only hurt their situation rather than help them, sort of like Breivik in that regard. What would you hypothetically tell him? "Didn't you learn anything from the Reichstag fire? Do a false flag attack and blame it on Islamophobes next time!"

All muslims who come to the western world should be screened. Islam is not compatible with the western world.

[QUOTE=SilverKnight;35264345]All muslims who come to the western world should be screened. Islam is not compatible with the western world.[/QUOTE] Dumbs for the dumb god ! No seriously I have no clue how you could think this statement is anywhere near reasonable.

nope

[QUOTE=Sharq;35246500]i honestly want to know why this is shouted so much, is there a Western equivalent that isn't used anymore?[/QUOTE] GIT SUM

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;35259576]So you have to brainwash them?[/QUOTE] you have to un-brainwash them

[QUOTE=SatansSin;35246803]so put them in jail and let them live their life after taking several others real smart strategy there, bucko. How about we just let child molesters and rapists walk off scot free huh?[/QUOTE] I have no idea how you ended up at the conclusion that he wants rapists and child molesters to go free. Besides, I see nothing wrong with spending your entire life in prison. Prison is really shitty, in case you didn't know that before, and anyone that takes several lives has the right to live the rest of their life as shitty as possible. The death penalty is barbaric in my opinion. 2 wrongs don't make a right.

[QUOTE=SilverKnight;35264345]All muslims who come to the western world should be screened. Islam is not compatible with the western world.[/QUOTE] ah yes all muslims are people who wish to blow themselves up in public places fuck off.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;35246747]murdering murderers is not the solution[/QUOTE] I disagree with you to an extent, I don't think someone guilty of one murder should be killed, but mass murderers or anyone who has killed more than one has forfeit their life in my opinion. I look at it as he took multiple people's lives, why would we waste tax payer money to feed and house him for the rest of his life. It just isn't worth it.

[QUOTE=Dirf;35268364]Besides, I see nothing wrong with spending your entire life in prison. Prison is really shitty, in case you didn't know that before, and anyone that takes several lives has the right to live the rest of their life as shitty as possible. The death penalty is barbaric in my opinion. 2 wrongs don't make a right.[/QUOTE] So you are suggesting to remove a barbaric sentence (which is already banned in France since the 19th century fyi) by doing something equally barbaric (that is force them to rot in a shit prison for the rest of their life) ? That's idiotic. Ideally, criminals should be put in proper jails and rehabilitated so they can be given back to society. The amount of time spent in prison should depend on the gravity of the crime, and if the criminal is rehabilitated before the end of its sentence it should be considered to shorten it (which would be very likely in life sentences). It IS possible for a criminal to understand his mistakes and avoid doing them again instead of having his freedom taken for a certain amount of time without any lesson taken. Danny Trejo was addicted to drugs, did a lot of prison time, and thanks to a rehabilitation program got rid of the addiction and we all know what he ended up doing for a living. It's a good example that you can take someone with a shit childhood, a shit addiction and who got in Prison for his shit and allow him to come back to society. [editline]24th March 2012[/editline] Can we stop the death penalty debate though ? It's not even part of the legal system in France.

[QUOTE=Icedshot;35259022]Because religion is a motivation for religious people to perform violent acts.[/QUOTE] Because religion is also a motivation for religious people to perform charitable acts aswell. ?????

I love the emphasis on the fact that Jewish soldiers were killed when an equal amount of Muslims were murdered by him too. Way to play the 'religious extremist' card, really.

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;35271406]I love the emphasis on the fact that Jewish soldiers were killed when an equal amount of Muslims were murdered by him too. Way to play the 'religious extremist' card, really.[/QUOTE] Well actually even the muslims were killed because they weren't extreme enough. One of the islamist terrorists' belief is that they have to "clean" Islam by exterminating the weakest Muslims and only keep the most zealous ones.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;35271429]Well actually even the muslims were killed because they weren't extreme enough. One of the islamist terrorists' belief is that they have to "clean" Islam by exterminating the weakest Muslims and only keep the most zealous ones.[/QUOTE] Yes, but there is never any explicit statement separating the sane and insane versions of the religion. That's why people think the two are in any way related and you have them saying stupid shit like this: [QUOTE=SilverKnight;35264345]All muslims who come to the western world should be screened. Islam is not compatible with the western world.[/QUOTE] I guess Xenophobia sells.

[QUOTE=RikohZX;35259476]The guy was attempting an escape, he had already tried to kill several officers and had already killed a number of civilians, and negotiations were over. As much as arresting the guy for questioning - and torture, as you people seem to love - would help, the guy probably wouldn't of budged. And even if he did, Al-Qaeda has plenty more disposables at their usage. The sniper took the shot for a reason, and that was to keep the killer from getting away; bitching and moaning about how they could've arrested him won't solve anything when the opportunity did not arise without the risk of officers dying (to our knowledge). And I hope no one believes that taking the risk of the officer's lives would justify trying to arrest him alive.[/QUOTE] He shouldn't get tortured. He should be tried and judged. All I am saying is that this isn't the good ending that could be there.