Iran attack decision nears, Israeli elite locks down
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[QUOTE=Nannak;36009322]I think you need to read Historical Materialism which Capitalism is basically a evolved version of Barbarianism/Slave Based Society/Feudalism that preceded it eversince the emergence of Private Property.[/QUOTE] That's like saying that our republic is inherently flawed simply because the Romans used it and basically raped and enslaved masses of people. Or saying that the UK's Constitutional Monarchy is wrong because it evolved from a Feudal Monarchy. Here's a tip for you, you can trace any system back to despotism or slavery, because they were common themes in many time periods. Our system is evolved from different systems, that's the way history and human progress goes. You can't say capitalism is bad because it evolved from a certain idea.
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Also, Feudalism doesn't use private property in any similar sense to capitalism. No one person owns the land, the serfs owned it and are bound to it through an oath they or their ancestors made, and the lords owned it in the sense that they were expected to provide for the serfs and protect them, while those lords were vassals who owed allegiance to higher powers. In fact, serfdom in Europe was a collectivist idea, versus capitalism which is individualistic.
[QUOTE=mac338;36008548]I think that has something to do with the constant threats Iran spews out. But, I believe Iran is years away from developing any type of nuclear ordinance, and attacking them would be a very wrong move.
But if they start moving troops towards the borders Israel's free to pull another six day war in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
You, as you understand the conflict between Israel and Iran well, should know that Israel has a huge concern for it's "deterrence capability" or it's ability to scare it's neighbours into submission. This was a part reason for the war against Egypt according to even Israeli sources.
If Iran is actually developing a nuke, then Israel will practically lose it's fearmongering capability against it, they will be locked into a balance of terror.
Israel really wants to stop this from happening.
[QUOTE=Wealth + Taste;36005554]I wish there would be no wars. I wish that peace could exist for more than a few fleeting years before descending into war again. It's human nature to compete, fight, and kill one another, there's no point in trying to completely stop it. [/QUOTE]
You wish for peace but you act condescendingly towards others who wish for it.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36010998]Israel flew over Saudi Arabia to bomb Iraq and had no problem at all.[/QUOTE]
Wait what, you mean USA?
Israel was involved too? Why? Lol.
No. Israel bombed Iraqi facilities in [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera]1981[/url].
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;36014523]No. Israel bombed Iraqi facilities in [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera"]1981[/URL].[/QUOTE]
Oh thanks for that link.
I see, Saudi didnt "allow", their airspace was "violated" (not that Emperor Scorpious II implied that)
[quote]On 7 June 1981, at 15:55 local time (12:55 GMT), the operation was initiated. The Israeli planes left Etzion Airbase, flying unchallenged in Jordanian and Saudi airspace.[53] To avoid detection, the Israeli pilots conversed in Saudi-accented Arabic while in Jordanian airspace and told Jordanian air controllers that they were a Saudi patrol that had gone off course.[37] While flying over Saudi Arabia, they pretended to be Jordanians, using Jordanian radio signals and formations.[37][59] The Israeli planes were so heavily loaded that the external fuel tanks that had been mounted on the planes were exhausted in-flight. The tanks were jettisoned over the Saudi desert.[53][/quote]
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Oh wow Israel has a history of conducting such raids
[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Orchard[/URL]
So informative and awesome, they should make a movie out of this lol. I never really heard of this operation. Syria's reaction must have been 0
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