Do you guys even understand why inbreeding can cause defects
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;26761725]Do you guys even understand why inbreeding can cause defects[/QUOTE]
Well I think I do but you could explain it.
I have never heard of this Volksinitiative or anything similar to that.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26761880]Well I think I do but you could explain it.[/QUOTE]
Alright. So take two siblings. They both are created from the same gene pool, their parents. This means that out of millions of genes, they are more likely to both be carriers of the same disorder than random people. Following a Punnett Square, their kids have a 50% chance of having the disorder
I'm kind of scared that only 40% oppose.
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[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;26753315] We're talking about consenting adults.[/QUOTE]
that produce very unconsenting children.
Well, incest always has been wincest.
Just don't let them produce children.
[QUOTE=ironman17;26751450] but it's also a perversion of evolution.[/QUOTE]
So you're for social Darwinism?
[editline]18th December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=jeimizu;26762008]
that produce very unconsenting children.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you understand what consenting means.
[QUOTE=ThePuska;26757794]"unlike homosexuality or something like that, they don't HAVE to have sex with their relatives and can choose to live a normal life with people they aren't related to"
You're saying that incestuous people can choose whether they follow their preferences. You're contrasting them with homosexuals, therefore implying that homosexuals can't control themselves and are slaves to their sexual urges.[/QUOTE]
Exactly how I read his post as well.
[editline]17th December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=jeimizu;26762008]that produce very unconsenting children.[/QUOTE]
You do realize that sex doesn't have to lead to giving birth right
[QUOTE=jeimizu;26762008]that produce very unconsenting children.[/QUOTE]
Thats what condoms are for (even though I still think incest is gross) also I dont think having one incest child would hurt it that much especially if they were not siblings. If it were a few generations of incest then I would expect a big disorder.
Guys, it's perfectly natural. Even Adam and Eves children did it.
i just wanna know is this seriously an important social issue?
like are people going around saying "Damn i wish i could fuck my cousin dude"
[QUOTE=thisispain;26762817]i just wanna know is this seriously an important social issue?
like are people going around saying "Damn i wish i could fuck my cousin dude"[/QUOTE]
apparently there is if there are people trying to legalize it.
It's not good for the gene pool.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26762794]I dont think having one incest child would hurt it that much especially if they were not siblings. If it were a few generations of incest then I would expect a big disorder.[/QUOTE]
The psychological effects of knowing your dad was also your grandfather probably would be of more concern.
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[QUOTE=sp00ks;26762672]
I don't think you understand what consenting means.[/QUOTE]
I meant it as in they didn't have any say in being the child of an incestuous relationship.
[QUOTE=jeimizu;26763043]The psychological effects of knowing your dad was also your grandfather probably would be of more concern.
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Not if it was excepted and that same argument could be said about gays adopting
The Egyptians did it, so it MUST be ok!
[QUOTE=PelPix123;26764160]Why is incest illegal at all? The same percentage of people will and won't do it regardless of whether or not it's legal. People who think it's bad will continue to never consider it, and there will be the same amount of people who don't either way.
It's a law that does effectively nothing at all.[/QUOTE]
It may not be an IMMEDIATE effect, but if it's made legal it will as time goes on become considered more morally okay than before and eventually the number of people who participate in incest will increase.
Some will always view it as wrong but my prediction is that the number would go up over time, and yes there are condoms but looking at all the pregnant teens today, that's not really much of a solution to possible inbreeding because sone people are just stupid.
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;26766131]It may not be an IMMEDIATE effect, but if it's made legal it will as time goes on become considered more morally okay than before and eventually the number of people who participate in incest will increase.
Some will always view it as wrong but my prediction is that the number would go up over time, and yes there are condoms but looking at all the pregnant teens today, that's not really much of a solution to possible inbreeding because sone people are just stupid.[/QUOTE]
It usually takes more of one generation of breeding to cause a huge problem. not to mention there are people who have kids all the time and they have genetic disorders.
How would you like it if you found out your mom and dad are siblings who married and fuck each other?
[QUOTE=BCell;26768390]How would you like it if you found out your mom and dad are siblings who married and fuck each other?[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't really care if we were all happy and I was healthy.
Yeah, incest breeds fucked up kids. So don't let them have kids. They're still going to fuck one way or the other, just make having KIDS the issue, not the sex bit.
Fuck sakes.
[QUOTE=BCell;26768390]How would you like it if you found out your mom and dad are siblings who married and fuck each other?[/QUOTE]
How would you like if you had two dads and neither of them was your real one? I know I wouldn't fucking care.
It's about time they legalised incest and inbreeding, we can finally make bloodlines pure again.
You know why there are royal families? It's because over generations and generations of inbreeding, power builds up in the blood and the resulting children then have all the power they need to rule. The old royal families knew this.
It never managed to get too far, because revolt and illness in those times used to unexpectedly sever family lines and the process had to begin again, but with modern medicine a royal family can now rise, through inbreeding, to become rulers of the world and, with time, spawn a child of such power that he will become a god.
This is the true ultimate goal of religion, the message has become lost with time, not that we should live according to god's will, but live to be gods.
[I]This is what inbreeders actually believe.[/I]
[QUOTE=macacan;26769202]It's about time they legalised incest and inbreeding, we can finally make bloodlines pure again.
You know why there are royal families? It's because over generations and generations of inbreeding, power builds up in the blood and the resulting children then have all the power they need to rule. The old royal families knew this.
It never managed to get too far, because revolt and illness in those times used to unexpectedly sever family lines and the process had to begin again, but with modern medicine a royal family can now rise, through inbreeding, to become rulers of the world and, with time, spawn a child of such power that he will become a god.
This is the true ultimate goal of religion, the message has become lost with time, not that we should live according to god's will, but live to be gods.
[I]This is what inbreeders actually believe.[/I][/QUOTE]
if we were supposed to inbreed then we would all be asexual because it has the same effect. The whole reason why we have sex and why its on are minds so much is to make the genepool diverse.
Still very weird, but as long as no babbies are being made, probably not a huge deal
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26769648]The whole reason why we have sex and why its on are minds so much is to make the genepool diverse.[/QUOTE]
Nope. It's because sex feels good.
Stop with the philosophical bullshit on having children and stuff.
A species wouldn't survive if it didn't have sex, so obviously the species that enjoyed sex, survived, while the species that didn't, died out. They weren't intelligent enough to comprehend that if they didn't have sex, their species would go extinct. Life to an animal is mostly just eat, sleep, and die.
Same concept applies to other things, such as foods. An animal doesn't think "If I eat this, it will give me good nutrients necessary to my survival", its thoughts would be closer to "If I eat this, it will taste good, and I will be very happy". Why? Because when winter came, all the animals that had a belly full of delicious high calorie food, survived, while the ones that decided to only eat when they were hungry, starved and promptly died.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26769648]if we were supposed to inbreed then we would all be asexual because it has the same effect. The whole reason why we have sex and why its on are minds so much is to make the genepool diverse.[/QUOTE]
Yah, I'm just kidding, incest and inbreeding are wrong.
It's not so much that incest between two consenting adults is wrong, (though, the vast majority of people would say that sexual desire towards your family is sick, myself included) but what is to stop families ingraining the idea in their children that they should be doing their siblings or parents in order to maintain a 'pure' bloodline? It is not like that has never happened throughout history.
Yes, you might say, "As long as they use contraception, it's okay." But there is no guaranteed method of contraception, meaning you only have to be in the narrow percent of unlucky people for whom it fails and the entirety of the damage is done, the resulting duck-baby has now been introduced to the world and has every human right to breed, further polluting the gene-pool.
[QUOTE=Rubs10;26769821]Stop with the philosophical bullshit[/QUOTE]
Philosophy? I was talking about the genetic benefits of sex and why we evolved it. nothing in there was philosophy.
[editline]17th December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=macacan;26769874]Yah, I'm just kidding.[/QUOTE]
yea I know
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26769922]Philosophy? I was talking about the genetic benefits of sex and why we evolved it. nothing in there was philosophy.[/QUOTE]
Oh? Then my bad. I thought you were making one of the ridiculous, widely accepted statements, that a species' desire to have sex, directly pertained to anything other than the pleasure of sex.
So I guess you were making a wider statement that the former statement on the pleasure of sex, was an effect of the necessity of gene-pool diversity.
[QUOTE=Rubs10;26770015]Oh? Then my bad. I thought you were making one of the ridiculous, widely accepted statements, that a species desire to have sex, directly pertained to anything other than the pleasure of sex.
So I guess you were making a wider statement that the former statement on the pleasure of sex, was an effect of the necessity of gene-pool diversity.[/QUOTE]
dont worry im not one of those Philosophers who spend 5 minutes saying something that could have been summed in a second and that everyone already knows. personally science<Philosophy
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