• Plans have been drawn up for a full-blown 'United States of Europe' and Britain will have little say
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[QUOTE=BelatedGamer;50194416]That's why countries have a system of checks and balances; there's no reason a global country couldn't have that too. We aren't talking about a global monarchy or dictatorship here.[/QUOTE] That is true, but even the best system can drift. All it takes is some emergency, real or otherwise, and one guy saying he needs to make quick decisions in order to deal with it, and the whole fucking world goes to shit.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;50194400]Frankly, I think making one global union is a dumb idea. All it takes is one hitler and suddenly there is no 'other side'. No one man should have that much power.[/QUOTE] I think a country of a global scale would still have to have another level of subdivisions within it. So for the USA we have counties, states, then the fed. For a global union you would add another layer to that, so the USA would still exist, as would this USE, and whatever others. They would maintain their own legislative and executive systems, but the citizens would also elect representatives to sit at a global congress that has power over the sub-states and decides broad projects that have a global impact. (should we build a giant space laser? should we all use fusion? should we declare war on the Grey's in sector 8?) All power not specifically delegated to the global congress is given to the sub-states.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;50194430]That is true, but even the best system can drift. All it takes is some emergency, real or otherwise, and one guy saying he needs to make quick decisions in order to deal with it, and the whole fucking world goes to shit.[/QUOTE] That's a possibility for sure, but the potential benefits of a unified culture outweigh that risk, at least for me. As with all things, we would have to be very careful.
the idea scares me slightly, it's a pretty big step not entirely sure what to think of the idea The U.S. wouldn't have to come over to help defend Eastern Europe anymore at least :v:
Honestly i would hardly see states giving up their sovregnty that they kept for hundreds of years (like France), this would be outright dumb.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;50194400]Frankly, I think making one global union is a dumb idea. All it takes is one hitler and suddenly there is no 'other side'. No one man should have that much power.[/QUOTE] That's why we don't labor under the illusion that one person should have responsibility for executive power of the entire globe. There are better management principles. For the most part currently humanity isn't mature enough for full global commonwealth. The potential exists but we need more progress to handle the responsibility. The best thing we can do for ourselves is to take steps to stop warfare, and to stop actively destroying the earth.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;50194430]That is true, but even the best system can drift. All it takes is some emergency, real or otherwise, and one guy saying he needs to make quick decisions in order to deal with it, and the whole fucking world goes to shit.[/QUOTE] Is that you Emperor Palpatine?
I am only seeing Breitbart and other DMG Media news outlets mentioning this.
[QUOTE=Jordax;50194426]Global unions would never happen unless we get invaded by actual aliens. We have far too many differences, issues, incompetent leadership and lack of trust between each other to ever have such an union actually working correctly, instead of turning in a non-stop shitshow where the values of most cultures clash against each other nonstop.[/QUOTE] That's assuming that despite those differences, we can't unite based on the core basis of our shared humanity. I think the opposite is true. We have far more in common than we believe, and once we realize that we are all part of the same human family, we can recognize that the many differences that exist actually are a source of strength, and shouldnt be a source of conflict. we thrive on diversity, but we have the inherent potential of uniting based on the ultimate oneness of the humanity as a whole. Once we acknowledge and act on that unity, differences will cease to be a source of fear and conflict. [editline]24th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=enricociccio;50194459]Honestly i would hardly see states giving up their sovregnty that they kept for hundreds of years (like France), this would be outright dumb.[/QUOTE] You could literally say the same statement but for smaller polities at any time or place in human history. "Honestly I would hardly see [city-states] giving up their sovereignty that they kept for hundreds of years (like Sparta, Corinth Athens) this would be outright dumb. Greece will never be unified." Global union is the next and most potent stage of human civilization development. The best way to deal with human problems is to come together and unite our energies. Division will only serve to multiply our problems.
I doubt we'll see a truly united Europe in our lifetimes, there's still a lot of problems they need to sort out before it happens among them being nationalism with Poland being the latest example of the latter.
[QUOTE=Bbarnes005;50194501]I doubt we'll see a truly united Europe in our lifetimes, there's still a lot of problems they need to sort out before it happens among them being nationalism with Poland being the latest example of the latter.[/QUOTE] I would say that Sweden's lack of nationalism is also a good way to explain their problems right now. And I don't blame the Poles and other Eastern European countries for being pretty nationalistic. That tends to happen when said countries didn't get to be independent countries of their own for the majority of last century, wherein their histories got completely oppressed too.
Omg, that's hilarious. Seriously Africa has a better chance of unifying like this than europe, look how they barely get along today
Sounds like fear-mongering ahead of the referendum honestly. I mean it will happen, but it won't be for a couple more decades, this isn't something you can just pull out of your ass, there's plenty of shit to deal with first, an European identity has to be well established first but that's still way in it's infancy right now. [QUOTE=soulharvester;50194204]Hell no, U.S. is our abbreviation, you guys can use U.C(Coalition). or something. And I'm honestly not convinced that giving the EU more power over their individual member nations is a good thing.[/QUOTE] If it happens we're sticking with European Union as the name, people just call it United States of Europe as a way of putting it into layman's terms on how it would work.
a global union would be something like the UN but with actual power and ability to do things.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;50194569]a global union would be something like the UN but with actual power and ability to do things.[/QUOTE] So the UN with an army of it's own instead of relying on the armies of it's members.
[QUOTE=doommarine23;50194209]Sure, why not. I'm not gonna say if it is a good or bad thing, but country lines and borders are a thing we've made up. Countries have shrunk and expanded constantly throughout time.[/QUOTE] Borders already have very little meaning within the EU, you dont even need a passport to travel anymore But the idea of europe being one united nation is ridiculous, every single state is so culturally different, we don't even speak the same language
[QUOTE=Map in a box;50194569]a global union would be something like the UN but with actual power and ability to do things.[/QUOTE] As long they don't go full tard and decide that Saudi Arabia should be in charge of an actual human rights council. Or anything important in general. That's like putting North Korea in charge of acting against prison camps or Zimbabwe in charge of agriculture and economy.
[QUOTE=Jordax;50194614]As long they don't go full tard and decide that Saudi Arabia should be in charge of an actual human rights council. Or anything important in general. That's like putting North Korea in charge of acting against prison camps or Zimbabwe in charge of agriculture and economy.[/QUOTE] Ideally, there'd be oversight committees that worked, everything would be elected, etc. as opposed to appointing.
No way in hell would I ever want this
U S E U S E (let's kill off all languages across europe and adopt english in every country)
people who think the EU is undemocratic should love this, now that I think about it It would immediately solve that problem, as people then have direct influence on the federal European government if we were already a United States of Europe when the refugee crisis started it would most likely have been handled in a much better way too if it does happen I hope we have a parliament with seats that can be won though, not a president like the U.S. [editline]24th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=TheDrunkenOne;50194716]U S E U S E (let's kill off all languages across europe and adopt english in every country)[/QUOTE] Hmm, I don't think that would happen. The different European languages would probably be protected, and we would just get a universal language everyone can speak as a second language. And yeah, that would probably be English
[QUOTE=soulharvester;50194204]Hell no, U.S. is our abbreviation, you guys can use U.C(Coalition). or something. And I'm honestly not convinced that giving the EU more power over their individual member nations is a good thing.[/QUOTE] Nah bro it'd be like USA and USE.
I'm moving to Africa if this happens in my lifetime.
[QUOTE=Exploders;50194804]I'm moving to Africa if this happens in my lifetime.[/QUOTE] How would Africa be any better..?
I wouldn't have a problem with a United States of Europe, but it'd be a gargantuan task to bring everybody in Europe together without causing a massive shitstorm. It'll probably take some massive catastrophe like another world war before we we decide unification is the best action to take for our future wellbeing. Language I feel would be the least of our worries, shit, the Germans and Swedes I know speak better English than many people I went to frigging high school with who are rapidly approaching their 30's.
HAHAHAHAH FUCK OFF EU. I fucking knew it was leading up to this. It always fucking has been. You'd call them out for preparing for this shit and be called some conspiracy theorist skeptic cunt. It shouldn't happen. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shit Posting" - UncleJimmema))[/highlight]
the leave campaign really must be struggling to disassociate themselves from the nuts, racists and conspiracy theorists. [QUOTE=Britain;50194853]HAHAHAHAH FUCK OFF EU. I fucking knew it was leading up to this. It always fucking has been. You'd call them out for preparing for this shit and be called some conspiracy theorist skeptic cunt. It shouldn't happen.[/QUOTE] you are honestly doing more harm than good to your own campaign.
[QUOTE=Britain;50194853]HAHAHAHAH FUCK OFF EU. I fucking knew it was leading up to this. It always fucking has been. You'd call them out for preparing for this shit and be called some conspiracy theorist skeptic cunt. It shouldn't happen.[/QUOTE] people are taking the daily mail as 100% credible information again and its scary
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;50194868]people are taking the daily mail as 100% credible information again and its scary[/QUOTE] Other sources have reported it too.
[QUOTE=Britain;50194876]Other sources have reported it too.[/QUOTE] who?
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