[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;38680930]EI is a fringe science[/QUOTE]
I teach Daniel Golemans emotional intelligence to my patients, and most providers at my clinic do as well. Don't be so quick to write it off. I've taught it and had many patients say that Emotional Intelligence was a really big stepping stone for them, especially in adjustment disorders, personality disorders, and PTSD and PTSD like-symptoms.
Now people won't think I'm retarded anymore. HUZZAH!
[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;38685167]dude dont ever use the word aspie in reference to those with slight social retardation
[editline]3rd December 2012[/editline]
it's almost like the complete antithesis.
OH HAY A DISORDER THAT MAKES IT HARD TO GET LAID, LETS GIVE IT A CUTESY NICKNAME.[/QUOTE]
well basically I have two choices for a real quick statement
"I am an aspie", which either gets sympathy from people who actually know what it is and understandably confused looks from everyone else, or "I have Asperger's syndrome", which (in the environment I'm usually in when I say this) gets a bunch of "hur hur you sed ass burger". Guess which one I'd rather use.
Allot fellow aspies in here, granted I knew this a while ago from all the threads. At least aspie is a better term than "Sperglord" or "Sperg" like holy shit why ridicule people who have trouble feeling good about themselves (because unlike other things like mental retardation, they are [B]not[/B] less intelligent than others, so they are well aware of their flaws, and it hurts them). At the end of the day even if you suspect some guy you find a douche has aspergers, why attack him for the suspected condition and just attack him for the insensitive or stupid comment?
They needed to somehow jab a word beginning at the end of "autism spectrum disorder", just so we'd have the lovely acronym of asdf.
[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;38694260]from experience it's everyone around you telling you you're special when you're growing up even though you get held back in elementary school.
thing is i called their bullshit.[/QUOTE]
I can relate to this; when I was little I'd always get told how good at shit and smart I was, then I got into highschool and as the workload got bigger and my motivation stayed the same, I fell behind and my grades started slipping over the next few years, which (to me) brought me into a harsh contrast with that perfect image I was given, which in turn made me feel absolutely shitty and worthless, which made me socially awkward and introverted for most of highschool
that kind of stuff just causes a big downward spiral
diagnosed aspie when i was born, me dad tells me
not sure what to think of it
probably shouldnt
that mindset's been workin so far
[editline]3rd December 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Faren;38695684]I can relate to this; when I was little I'd always get told how good at shit and smart I was, then I got into highschool and as the workload got bigger and my motivation stayed the same, I fell behind and my grades started slipping over the next few years, which (to me) brought me into a harsh contrast with that perfect image I was given, which in turn made me feel absolutely shitty and worthless, which made me socially awkward and introverted for most of highschool
that kind of stuff just causes a big downward spiral[/QUOTE]
we share a similar story!
when i was younger i'd always ask my dad whether i could come to work with him or not
then i started taking an interest in what work would be like, what it'd be like to get a paycheck, that kind of thing. literally dreamed of lowering the age requirement for a part-time job provided you take a test of knowledge and skills and shit.
now i'm too lazy to be considered a good worker. so, i just toil away at my own stuff. drawing, modeling, and some other things. most of it is spent playing my available games though.
there was also something else i was thinking to put here but i just happened to forget. i noticed that also seemed to be a newfound problematic quality of mine.
I have aspergers. And like it should, it only affects me in above average to extreme situations.
[QUOTE=Faren;38695684]I can relate to this; when I was little I'd always get told how good at shit and smart I was, then I got into highschool and as the workload got bigger and my motivation stayed the same, I fell behind and my grades started slipping over the next few years, which (to me) brought me into a harsh contrast with that perfect image I was given, which in turn made me feel absolutely shitty and worthless, which made me socially awkward and introverted for most of highschool
that kind of stuff just causes a big downward spiral[/QUOTE]
This a thousand times. In elementary school I was quite a good student and I could handle everything very easily. Once Highschool came things turned around: I was still motivated and I could handle most things, yet I didn't change mentally - people picked on me, hell, even people I considered my "friends" before. But I guess the biggest problem were the teachers themselves. I'm quite a fast learner and since they didn't make progress fast enough I just got bored and stopped listening. My grades went downhill which stressed me out even more additionally to being bullied.
Damn.
[QUOTE=Faren;38695684]I can relate to this; when I was little I'd always get told how good at shit and smart I was, then I got into highschool and as the workload got bigger and my motivation stayed the same, I fell behind and my grades started slipping over the next few years, which (to me) brought me into a harsh contrast with that perfect image I was given, which in turn made me feel absolutely shitty and worthless, which made me socially awkward and introverted for most of highschool
that kind of stuff just causes a big downward spiral[/QUOTE]
Never was diagnosed with Aspergers, so I don't claim to have it. Although my parents have a book about raising a child with aspergers/autism on our bookshelf, so that's a bit, uh, interesting.
But yeah, I remember being an excellent student in elementary school, and as soon as 7th grade came around, everything tanked. I was placed in one year ahead when it came to math. However, I was learning about things like variables, exponents, etc (basic algebra) shit we never even touched in elementary. For some reason, I became overwhelmed, and started sucking on my quizzes, which in turn made my self-confidence tank. And then that loss in self confidence started finding its way into my other classes. So my other classes started taking a hit and it started encouraging poor study habits and bad logic ("What's the point of studying if I'm just going to fail anyway?"). Talking with my friends and family about schoolwork became a huge embarrassment as I felt like an enormous waste of space compared to my peers who often made honor roll and aced tests no problem. I became deathly scared of my parents if my parents brought up (how are you doing in X's class). It was a seriously unhealthy way to go through life. Made it to college though, so I must have started getting some of my shit together at some point.
I honestly think the only thing that kept me together was the fact that my grandfather game me a computer. A piece of shit mind you, but it was mine, and how I learned a majority of my knowledge about computers, hardware, and operating systems and found that it was what I wanted to do for a career, even when people told me I was obsessed and needed help and I was wasting my time (seriously, people told me that building the skills for my career was a [I]waste of time[/I], maybe they thought I was too stupid I dunno).
If it wasn't for my grandfather giving me that computer, I don't think I would be typing this right now.
[QUOTE=lavacano;38694875]well basically I have two choices for a real quick statement
"I am an aspie", which either gets sympathy from people who actually know what it is and understandably confused looks from everyone else, or "I have Asperger's syndrome", which (in the environment I'm usually in when I say this) gets a bunch of "hur hur you sed ass burger". Guess which one I'd rather use.[/QUOTE]
there's a third option. not telling anyone at all.
in my experience going around telling people you have some kind of condition like it's going to excuse your behavior isn't going to work. saying you have aspergers or schizophrenia or bipolar isn't going to make things better, in fact it only makes things worse.
this is the kind of shit i only tell really good friends and it's only a preface to a story or something.
and faren i'm glad i'm not the only one who was told they were special when they just failed miserably at everything. only thing is there wasn't one time in my life when school was easy. i was that kid who threw up multiple times a week.
also due to the stigma related to adhd drugs it took them until highschool to get me on them...
[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;38701852]there's a third option. not telling anyone at all.
in my experience going around telling people you have some kind of condition like it's going to excuse your behavior isn't going to work. saying you have aspergers or schizophrenia or bipolar isn't going to make things better, in fact it only makes things worse.[/QUOTE]
Never understood that either. So now, instead of being the guy that's just weird, you're now the guy that is weird and has mental problems and can't help it.
Can't imagine any case where the second part sounds better, because the end result is exactly the same. YOUR STILL WEIRD.
[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;38701852]in my experience going around telling people you have some kind of condition like it's going to excuse your behavior isn't going to work.[/QUOTE]
Gee, thanks for calling my character into question, really appreciate it bro
I don't "go around telling people" anything. If I tell people, it's because it's actually relevant to whatever conversation is happening at the time.
I'm actually a whole lot better than I was in middle school when I was first diagnosed, and I like to think I've (for the most part) beaten the condition. And then some jackass like you comes along and says I'm just saying it so people let me get away with shit. It's both rude and uncalled for.
[QUOTE=lavacano;38704386]Gee, thanks for calling my character into question, really appreciate it bro
I don't "go around telling people" anything. If I tell people, it's because it's actually relevant to whatever conversation is happening at the time.
I'm actually a whole lot better than I was in middle school when I was first diagnosed, and I like to think I've (for the most part) beaten the condition. And then some jackass like you comes along and says I'm just saying it so people let me get away with shit. It's both rude and uncalled for.[/QUOTE]
dude i wasn't being rude. if i was coming off as being rude i apologize but you don't have to get upset man.
it's a fucking dead horse to me but regarding mental health i've been through and seen it all. i can totally empathize. and i never think i implied that you specifically go around telling people
been considering my own little concept of selflessness, found this
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX3Hu8loXTE[/media]
I was diagnosed with Aspergers when I was around 5 or so years old.
It feels like everything wrong with me is because of that.
[img]http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/348/9/2/_saddowns__by_lilfut-d34w3em.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Charybdis;38681660]Why would anyone want to self diagnose themselves with Aspergers in the first place? Affectation? Sympathy? Just because someone has it doesn't make them seem wiser or mysterious in any way, particularly when the person in question announces they have the condition themselves. The name of it doesn't even sound nice. "Aspergers". It doesn't have the same ring to it as [I]Schizophrenia[/I] or [I]Bipolar[/I] :v:[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Demache;38681938]My guess is that they are trying to justify their weaknesses and saying its because of Aspergers. I'm not sure what's wrong with admitting that your awkward and its a personality fault though.[/QUOTE]
To my understanding, there are people (who may or may not actually have Aspergers) that self-diagnose and claim that they have the disorder for disingenuous reasons, like attention-grabbing, trying to set oneself apart from others by giving oneself "special" attributes, and as a crutch for their failings. Terrible at getting girls but you score above average in school? [i]Gotta have Aspergers.[/i] Shitty grades in school because you can't be assed to pay attention? Chalk it up to Aspergers or ADD (and as a side note, Aspergers and autism rarely come "on their own", as it's common for someone with one of the two to have other things like OCD or ADD/ADHD or Tourettes). They're the same people who run online and claim their shit and in doing so, garner and/or justify the "assburgers" label, which I see as harmful because it delegitimizes the problems that people who actually have the disorders have.
I have Aspergers (technically autism, even before the reclassification, but that's a different matter) but I have [i]never[/i] used it as a crutch. I have never let it define me negatively, regardless of the problems it has posed for me in the past, and I've worked my way past it like I was an ordinary person faced with an unusual bit of difficulty - but people still use it for bullshitting their way through things. I do understand that, as it's on a spectrum, there are people with worse or lighter degrees of the disorder than me, and so some people have more or less difficulty than I face, but the dumbasses who cheapen it end up being harmful to those with actual problems that must be recognized.
[QUOTE=lNloruzenchi;38706784]been considering my own little concept of selflessness, found this
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX3Hu8loXTE[/media][/QUOTE]
it's funny because when i figured out about body language and shit i realized that i not only was misreading everyone but that i was totally sending out the wrong signals as well.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;38678041]What specific autism spectrum disorder is responsible for the autism stereotype (Chris Chan) because the vast majority of people with autism cannot even begin to be compared to him.[/QUOTE]
The problem with Chris-Chan was that his parents didn't even bother to get him the help he needed, sat on their lazy asses and ignored the issues he had. [b]IF[/b] they had actually bothered to give him the help he needed then we wouldn't have the cross-dressing man-child we see today
you realize you can only help yourself.
and trust me, people with some form of autism at their very core are more stubborn than a 60 year old nun who's favorite object is a wooden spoon.
[QUOTE=Flicky;38678028]Wait, does that mean I now technically have autism?[/QUOTE]
No, you have a disorder in the autistic spectrum.
Aspergers has always been an autism spectrum disorder, nothing really new here guys.
I hate the term Aspie, I'm sorry, I condone the use of sperg, and spergin, (though I admit I use them) but when I hear people say "yeah I'm an aspie" I feel like you should just plain say you have Asperger's Syndrome
i'd much rather say i'm spergin' than go "MY MOMMY SAYS IM AN ASSPIE!!"
too late facepunch has already been infected
if something is cured it is no longer infected.
I like turtles. Always. X0X0X0X0
This is hilarious. Some goof decided to label people who are different with aspergers. What label should they come up with now that this is apparently removed?
Finally, Its good to see changes in the DSM, when I was younger I used to read my moms old copies of if from before I was born. Good that rising psychiatric like myself can have some new basis for diagnosis.
Aspergers has been tainted by the people who self diagnose themselves with it. poor social skills =/= aspergers.
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