52 civilians killed in drug cartel attack at a Mexican casino - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Mattk50;31990497]its even funnier because this happens all the time and we dont hear about it[/QUOTE] You're a douche. Even if we don't hear about it, it doesn't change the fact that shit like this is terrible.

[QUOTE=AnemoneS2;31974866]Ashamed to be Mexican today... I have so many friends in Monterrey, it's worrying.[/QUOTE] Damn straight, my girlfriend is there right now. :(

And yet we keep this damn Drug War going.

I sort of hope that some form of military force will be sent to try and capture the cartels. Police officers alone do not have the necessary force to repel these criminals.

Actually, the police work with Los Zetas in that region. It's a fact, not something that I'm throwing out there just because of speculation. I know they do.

[QUOTE=Mac2468;31998555]And yet we keep this damn Drug War going.[/QUOTE] Just because the Treaty of Versai indirectly caused World War 2, does it mean the things hitler did wasn't evil. You don't talk about how horrible and evil the Treaty of Versai was, you reffer to the Nazis. You should blame the culprits, not there motive. [b]Y[/b]ou cannot say these attacks are completely caused by the war on drugs. Did the war on drugs burn these people alive, or did the cartels?

[QUOTE=Kayl;31998609]Actually, the police work with Los Zetas in that region. It's a fact, not something that I'm throwing out there just because of speculation. I know they do.[/QUOTE] bro, american police work with los zetas. nobody really understands the full length that they'll go to just to bribe government and law enforcement officials.

Send in adam jensen.

I dislike the tone of this topic, a lot. Yeah, let's militarize an entire nation because we're gigantic pussies who are afraid of chemicals. What sounds better? Sending the gestapo into every neighborhood to interrogate people for information leading to cartel activity, killing any cartel member (because, after long, jails won't be able to hold them... they hardly hold them now) or just legalizing drugs? If the leaders of Mexico had a spine they would legalize drugs and let the USA deal with the problems resulting, we're outsourcing our organized crime.

[QUOTE=s0beit;31999030]I dislike the tone of this topic, a lot. Yeah, let's militarize an entire nation because we're gigantic pussies who are afraid of chemicals. [/QUOTE] Read the thread title and try to process it in your head.

We should really have the U.S Military providing help there, not only is what they do there bad for the country, drugs themselves help fund actual terrorist groups such as the Taliban. [editline]29th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Atlascore;31999165]But sadly for some idiotic reason it's physically impossible for any politician that lives on the North/South American continents to even think of legalizing marijuana.[/QUOTE] Exactly, look at when the U.S made alcohol illegal, it fueled organized crime. The problem is that there's a supply and a demand and they want that money, resulting in the use of violence instead of legal methods that an actual business would use.

Their military is the police there now since the real police are working with the cartel. Legit officers are killed, a chief's head was mailed to their justice department a year ago IIRC.

[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;31999071]Read the thread title and try to process it in your head.[/QUOTE] I know what the title says, I'm also aware that the tougher the police get the tougher the cartels get in response. It's foolish to attack the same problem with the same solution and expect a different result.

[QUOTE=s0beit;31999636]I know what the title says, I'm also aware that the tougher the police get the tougher the cartels get in response. It's foolish to attack the same problem with the same solution and expect a different result.[/QUOTE] The cartels are pretty much past the line on tough. The only way it could get any worse is for them to go blow up buildings or go slaughter some civillians in the streets.

[QUOTE=Atlascore;31999165]The drug cartels in Mexico are heartless scum that murder and torture thousands of people in order to make people fear them. I'd fully support something like the gestapo rolling through Mexico hunting down and killing cartel members, there's no reasoning with them, the only way to get rid of the cartels is either legalizing drugs or sending an army to hunt down and kill all the fuckers. But sadly for some idiotic reason it's physically impossible for any politician that lives on the North/South American continents to even think of legalizing marijuana.[/QUOTE] nothing like that would work though, you send some gestapo type shit to take out the cartels, the cartels either pay them off (like they've been doing for years) or the cartels use their veritable army to murder this gestapo unit or their families (like they've also been doing for years). legalization is pretty much the only way these cartels will be destroyed, without money they lose all their power.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;31999971]nothing like that would work though, you send some gestapo type shit to take out the cartels, the cartels either pay them off (like they've been doing for years) or the cartels use their veritable army to murder this gestapo unit or their families (like they've also been doing for years). legalization is pretty much the only way these cartels will be destroyed, without money they lose all their power.[/QUOTE] They'll murder anyone selling it legally then, legalizing it doesn't mean they'll just leave all that money and power.

[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;32000163]They'll murder anyone selling it legally then, legalizing it doesn't mean they'll just leave all that money and power.[/QUOTE] they'd probably do that for awhile, but as the money drains away from illegal drugs, they will stop being able to bribe cops & stop being able to pay their henchmen & without the money the cartel will fall apart [editline]29th August 2011[/editline] i mean obviously legalization wont magically solve the problem straight away, but it should gradually cause a solution whereas trying to continue fighting the cartels in the ways some of you are suggesting will never result in victory.

[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;32000163]They'll murder anyone selling it legally then, legalizing it doesn't mean they'll just leave all that money and power.[/QUOTE] Yeah just like that moonshine racket o wait

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;32000183]they'd probably do that for awhile, but as the money drains away from illegal drugs, they will stop being able to bribe cops & stop being able to pay their henchmen & without the money the cartel will fall apart [editline]29th August 2011[/editline] i mean obviously legalization wont magically solve the problem straight away, but it should gradually cause a solution whereas trying to continue fighting the cartels in the ways some of you are suggesting will never result in victory.[/QUOTE] Yeah, that'll probably work but there's the chance that they'll get even more violent and dangerous to make sure they don't lose power. There's no easy and simple solution short of nuking the entire country, which of course isn't practical, necessary, or desirable.

[QUOTE=s0beit;32000258]Yeah just like that moonshine racket o wait[/QUOTE] although i agree with you, you can't really compare prohibition USA to drug-war mexico

So is the government going to actually do something about this now? I mean a military crackdown. The kind of shit going on over there is out of control.

We need more "Judge, Jury and Executioner" type lawmen in Mexico. That's how the Old West was tamed, and that's how Mexico could be tamed.

[QUOTE='[sluggo];31998615'].You should blame the culprits, not there motive. [b]Y[/b]ou cannot say these attacks are completely caused by the war on drugs. Did the war on drugs burn these people alive, or did the cartels?[/QUOTE] He never said otherwise. Of course the direct blame is on the cartels, but it's still true that this would probably not be happening if not for the drug war, and therefore by continuing the drug war the US is allowing the cartels to continue doing this.

Military is always around, here in Monterrey there are some military movement but not enough. They are taking the city slowly :(. And the people on the Casino Royale, they were burning alive to death.

[QUOTE=kaine123;31975432]I wonder how long it will be until the Mexican military starts fighting the drug cartels like an actual domestic enemy. I mean there is so much violence that they might end up needing the military just to protect the innocent civilians.[/QUOTE] The military already do the job of the police in Mexico and most of the cartel members are from the USA and Mexican military. There equally matched in training and weapons, at the end of the day it's probably going to come down to a long and bloody civil war.

[QUOTE=ThisGuy0;32004701]He never said otherwise. Of course the direct blame is on the cartels, but it's still true that this would probably not be happening if not for the drug war, and therefore by continuing the drug war the US is allowing the cartels to continue doing this.[/QUOTE] The problem is that drugs provide pure profit to those that sell them and no matter what anyone does you can't change supply and demand.

[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;32005956]The problem is that drugs provide pure profit to those that sell them and no matter what anyone does you can't change supply and demand.[/QUOTE] and thats why you make them legal...

You can't remove weeds just by cutting off what you see at the surface. You have to spray it with weed killer or some shit, neutralize it at its source. If it doesn't get water and proper sources of nutrients, it will wither and die. Unless you deal with the drug problem first, the cartels will just come back every time. Yeah, maybe they'd still be there if the drugs were legalized, but eventually they'd lose their sway. Why would they need to bribe the police to keep quiet about drugs if the police stopped caring whether or not they had drugs, and in fact, were perfectly capable of getting it themselves? Why would people buy drugs in back alleys when you may/may not have legitimate sources. Would organized crime syndicates that involve themselves in the drug trade need to have fronts and a complex means of quietly distributing their drugs to clients around the world, when they could possibly do it legally, and not have to be on the FBI Most Wanted List? Tl;Dr Kill the roots, kill the weed.

Remember: No Spanish.

[QUOTE=The golden;32007241]Drugs being illegal is exactly what makes the cartels so much money. You honestly think they'll just give up all that money just like that? Of course not. It's gotten to the point where if they make it legal, it may actually cause more problems. They need to deal with the cartels first.[/QUOTE] but making the drugs legal is what WILL deal with the cartels, sure they will resist it at first, but eventually legal drugs will start to take money away from the cartels and without money they will fall apart. how else would you suggest the cartels be dealt with?