pro and anti kiev clash in ukrain city of odessa [livestream] - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Venrez;44708025]Isnt white phosphorus banned for use by just about every War-rights council / law? Its horrific stuff I know. But there's little reason to suggest a military would use it, since it would likely cause an overwhelming amount bad PR and media coverage for their side.[/QUOTE] For example, Israel's militar.. oh wait.

[QUOTE=Venrez;44708025]Isnt white phosphorus banned for use by just about every War-rights council / law? Its horrific stuff I know. But there's little reason to suggest a military would use it, since it would likely cause an overwhelming amount bad PR and media coverage for their side.[/QUOTE] There's what governments say they do and then there's what they really do. If they use WP to "make a smoke screen" and people happen to be under the strike zone, that's what it gets written as. There's a reason they still teach shake and bake to mortormen in the Marine Corps

really [b]nsfw[/b] photos/video of people from that buring, what a horrible way to go no matter who you are. [url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f0e_1399071435[/url] This one is a really horrible set of photos.... [url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2c2_1399069304[/url]

[QUOTE=barttool;44707287]so this is like that film, Battleship Potemkin? You know, being in Odessa and all...[/QUOTE] Odessa is also one of the possible locations of City 17 [url]http://combineoverwiki.net/wiki/City_17#Background_and_origins_of_City_17[/url]

[QUOTE=Venrez;44708025]Isnt white phosphorus banned for use by just about every War-rights council / law? Its horrific stuff I know. But there's little reason to suggest a military would use it, since it would likely cause an overwhelming amount bad PR and media coverage for their side.[/QUOTE] The use of Willy Pete and other incendiary weapons is permitted against military targets. In this case, it's a grey area. You have groups of terrorist and insurgents, and they used incendiary devices against them and their positions, but likewise it was done against the Pro-Ukraine protesters. For the most part, its a case of an eye for an eye. Edit: [t]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/05/02/article-2617592-1D8611B300000578-47_634x385.jpg[/t] They have supposedly captured the insurgents responsible for the helicopter shootdown.

[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bmo5ceZIAAAU5VT.jpg[/img] [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv9_z6Cdf3g[/url] Rumor is the mob and the local police blocked fire and ambulance services, beat individuals attempting to escape, and that office workers died in the fire. Apparently this all happened after the pro-Russian activists were forced out of a camp they set up and retreated to the building, where they were surrounded by a mob and firebombed (presumably by far-right radicals like Right sector, who have been committing these sort of crimes since feb 21). Time for Putin to send in the tanks and smash some Banderist heads.

Wow it's like when you intentionally hamper attempts to restore order, things get disorderly.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;44708709]Wow it's like when you intentionally hamper attempts to restore order, things get disorderly.[/QUOTE] There's no reason for anyone who voted Party of Regions (the majority of East Ukraine and Crimea) to accept the coup government put in place by the West with the aid of people like Victoria Nuland. It's really no surprise this has degenerated into a civil war situation. Who wants the 'order' of Galician nazis, anyway?

[QUOTE=Conscript;44708740]There's no reason for anyone who voted Party of Regions (the majority of East Ukraine and Crimea) to accept the coup government put in place by the West with the aid of people like Victoria Nuland. It's really no surprise this has degenerated into a civil war situation. Who wants the 'order' of Galician nazis, anyway?[/QUOTE] The order of Russian nazis is so much better, I agree.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;44708766]The order of Russian nazis so so much better, I agree.[/QUOTE] Because the various peoples' republics in the donbass region are staffed by nazis, unlike the current Ukrainian government, and doesn't have parties like Svoboda in the Rada and official positions like Prosecutor-General. You know, that party that is a direct descendant of OUN-B. And they have cousins that march around in SS 'Galicien' uniforms. [url]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/18/antisemitic-donetsk-peoples-republic-ukraine-hoax[/url] Look at all those nazis signs. Keep trying with the false equivalency. Tell me, what kind of Nazis offer their arms for political demands like federalization and recognition of the Russian language? What kind of Nazis come from the Party of Regions, which as the name implies, represents many different minorities?

I won't deny there are some shady elements in the new Government, but on the other hand Putin is President of Russia and is rapidly becoming the largest threat to European peace since the Cold War. Russia is just trying to play up the whole "Russia vs Nazis" thing as if it's another Great Patriotic War is on the horizon, they want people amped up and believing they're doing the right thing. I hope the Right Sector lose their positions in the next election, and I also hope Putin and friends lose theirs, and both countries can learn to cooperate and not ruin one of the most peaceful times in European history.

Oh I definitely agree, Putin is a scumbag in how he uses Russian history in such a way. I've heard in regard to tensions in the baltics in 1993 over citizenship, he had something to do with mobilizing a bunch of cossack-pretenders to go around and intimidate people near the border. And the way he uses crazy Russian chauvinists like Zhirinovsky to seem tame and reasonable is equally disgusting. However this time around I think his government's crony interests actually align with the Russian people's for once, and that of many East Slavs. Because this is about halting NATO/EU's march westward, after basically 20 years of trying to reconcile with the West. Russia is sticking to its guns here on the Feb 21 agreement, I seriously think this is one of the most tense East-West situations since 1962. You might find this interesting: [url]http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/02/crimea-crisis-russia-ukraine-cold-war?CMP=fb_gu[/url] Also, Right Sector is probably going out the window if Kiev wins, it's too radical. Svoboda OTOH as normalized itself over the past decade, I don't think it's going anywhere. EDIT: Odessa mayor calls killings lawful, yet another crime perpetrated by Maidan radicals ignored and now even condoned by the current government: [url]http://timer.od.ua/news/nemirovskiy_nazval_boynyu_v_odesse_zakonnoy_267.html[/url] There's really no more shed of doubt there is a fascist-liberal alliance in West Ukraine, and they have blood on their hands.