US House of Representatives passes bill in first step to repeal Obamacare - Polidicks

[QUOTE=cis.joshb;51667898]was there a tax raise coupled with obamacare that I didn't hear about? I don't see how people who were already buying healthcare are now paying for other people?[/QUOTE] people who previously didn't have healthcare got taxed for not having it

[QUOTE=Judas;51667956]people who previously didn't have healthcare got taxed for not having it[/QUOTE] he said people who were already paying for their own healthcare, so he couldn't have meant those people

[QUOTE=OvB;51667283]Any FPers covered by the ACA?[/QUOTE] I was covered through 2015 under a subsidized plan for a little under $100 per month which was pretty great honestly, until I moved and got an actual job in my field and lost eligibility for subsidies. My premium jumped to about $230, and given my health and the rent I was now paying, I decided to go with my employer's plan instead. It's not a horrible system but without constant government life-support there is no way ACA can handle the kind of subscriber population it's intended to--at least in my state anyway. I hear premiums are supposed to go up some 30-40% again this month in my area.

It'll be interesting to see if premiums drop after the repeal. Magic 8-ball says no.

[QUOTE=1239the;51668180]It'll be interesting to see if premiums drop after the repeal. Magic 8-ball says no.[/QUOTE] seeing as there is no "replacement" in place, and the only linked one so far wouldn't lower the cost, no, it won't be likely to happen.

[QUOTE=soulharvester;51667211]A bunch of people who were uninsurable due to pre-existing conditions are now able to get "insurance" which (predictably) sky-rocketed the cost of insurance for those who actually pay into the insurance pool, from which the people with pre-existing conditions immediately get access. It defeats the purpose of insurance, and a lot of people are salty that other people won't have to pay for their massive medical costs anymore by forcing people to pay into the insurance pool that they're basically stealing from. Imagine if you totaled your car, then got insurance afterward, and immediately made a massive claim on it that you would never reasonably put back into the insurance pool that other people have been paying into, that's the ACA. Except that you'll always be taking money out for the pre-existing condition and never really putting money back into the pool. It did absolutely nothing to make healthcare "more" affordable. If you want to socialize health care it should be done through single payer via taxes like everyone else does it, the ACA is an abortion.[/QUOTE] So because I or someone else was born with certain conditions that require regular appointments I should get fucked and go thousands into debt?

[QUOTE=hippowombat;51667171]I'm gonna stop you right there. Americans as a large group have such an unreasonably huge bullshit complacency threshold that it would take something spectacularly astronomically fucked up to incite any major widespread unrest that could cause real change.[/QUOTE] As a group, sometimes yes. Othertimes, no. More than 29 million Americans, myself included, were able to get healthcare coverage thanks to the ACA. Many millions now have their coverage jeopardized by this threat (which they're apparently serious on following through with) from Trump and the Republicans, including around 4 million children 17 and under. [url=http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/jan/05/what-would-be-impact-if-affordable-care-act-repeal/]The CBO estimates about 19 million people would lose their coverage in the first year alone as a consequence of them repealing it[/url]. While mass civil unrest would be preferable since it would show common anger from the American people and serve as a proper warning message, it doesn't even take that necessarily. One extremely pissed off person with the means and the opportunity has a lot of power to change things, or at least to send a message. Healthcare is important, and causing millions of people to lose their coverage by repealing an act which, while imperfect, gave them the opportunity to obtain it in the first place is unacceptable. It's dangerous. Innocent, ordinary people's lives and physical well-being are literally being put at risk here, as others have pointed out. Violence would be an entirely justified response. Trump and the Republicans haven't even got a fucking substitute figured out for once it is repealed, they just keep shouting "REPEAL AND REPLACE". [i]Some[/i] are pointing out that they need something to fill the void with, but they haven't got anything, and they're already pushing this bill through like there's no tomorrow. More than anything, I hope the Democrats are smart enough to realize that if this does happen, and it's looking like it might, they need to harness the ensuing anger and aggression that [i]will[/i] result from it and turn it around against those who are responsible.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51667202] With even Bill Clinton (who I critique alot, but[B] is the smartest guy on the democrat side[/B]) [/QUOTE] This might actually be the craziest part of your post

Obamacare isn't perfect but there are provisions that do a lot of good. I think it's more popular than the republicans realize.

yeah sorry i don't find legislation that forces you to buy insurance is a good thing. If you want to be dumb and not buy insurance, be my guest, but ACA made prices go up for middle class (at least in my family, not sure about everyone else) EDIT: Keep in mind I don't claim to know anything about the ACA, but from what I understand it forces everyone to buy some sort of government/government backed insurance, and it made prices go up for middle class and it made it a bit cheaper for the poor, if someone would like to educate me, go ahead, but in my case the ACA made my families prices go up.

Is there any way for the President to dissolve the House? It sounds a bit extreme but it's currently working against the well being of it's citizens

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;51669275]Is there any way for the President to dissolve the House? It sounds a bit extreme but it's currently working against the well being of it's citizens[/QUOTE] It will be working for the well-being of it's citizens when Trump comes into office next week.

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;51669275]Is there any way for the President to dissolve the House? It sounds a bit extreme but it's currently working against the well being of it's citizens[/QUOTE] that would be such an incredible affront to america's system of checks and balances that I dont even really know where to begin

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;51669257]yeah sorry i don't find legislation that forces you to buy insurance is a good thing. If you want to be dumb and not buy insurance, be my guest, but ACA made prices go up for middle class (at least in my family, not sure about everyone else) EDIT: Keep in mind I don't claim to know anything about the ACA, but from what I understand it forces everyone to buy some sort of government/government backed insurance, and it made prices go up for middle class and it made it a bit cheaper for the poor, if someone would like to educate me, go ahead, but in my case the ACA made my families prices go up.[/QUOTE] Has any who started their post as "sorry" felt genuinely sorry for how their post impacts other people? It usually comes off mostly smarmy and condescending. The upshot of ACA is that it expanded medical insurance coverage by some 20 million people, decreasing portion of uncovered people from 16% to 9% at cost of "moderate" incrase in premiums.

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;51669257]yeah sorry i don't find legislation that forces you to buy insurance is a good thing. If you want to be dumb and not buy insurance, be my guest, but ACA made prices go up for middle class (at least in my family, not sure about everyone else) EDIT: Keep in mind I don't claim to know anything about the ACA, but from what I understand it forces everyone to buy some sort of government/government backed insurance, and it made prices go up for middle class and it made it a bit cheaper for the poor, if someone would like to educate me, go ahead, but in my case the ACA made my families prices go up.[/QUOTE] Insurance functions that way anyways. It leverages the group against the worst risks. When insurance is forced to pay for everyone, everyone pays more. This can be leveraged in certain ways to make it cheaper for the poor and middle class, but that wasn't really done. Insurance isn't what should be covering everyone anyways, it's not the best method for insuring the health of people. Healthcare is. The ACA is a relatively inefficient method to do that but the way the US is setup, the way the legislation was written, and the attitude towards government run programs in the US made a public option unlikely to materialize. And AFAIK, no, the ACA doesn't mandate people buy government backed insurance, the government didn't step in as an insurer of people, it just mandated that people have it and didn't force the market to really change. It did force pre-existing conditions to be accepted but from what I understand, even though Donald Trump floated some support for the idea, it doesn't seem super likely to be an outcome of any particular bills that seem to be coming up but we'll only know when they materialize.

You know maybe these asshats should get a taste of what it is to be threatened by Second Amendment people when they feel they start fucking people over.

I wish more people directed their passions regarding Obamacare towards Congress instead of Obama or Trump, they're the ones who fucked it up. Not even just the Republicans, some of the more conservative Democrats are just as responsible for turning national healthcare into a national burden.