I don't get the point of this sale.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/7tDFQke.jpg[/t]
There's nothing on sale :v:
[QUOTE=Wii60;48790941]the butt-devastation in the trigger warning sale announcement tweet is beautiful
[url]https://twitter.com/Direct2Drive/status/648930593296773120[/url][/QUOTE]
This is just sad :v:
If everything is coming up as "Not for sale" for you guys, try going to the homepage and then clicking the banner to get to the sale. Direct links to it seem to not work too well.
Whenever a company wants to drum up positive PR, they usually latch on to typically left-wing causes. Maybe this means that opposition to social justice is powerful enough of a cultural force that an otherwise apolitical company can think to profit off of it.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;48790966]The funniest thing about this is they expect people to pay money for Duke Nukem Forever.[/QUOTE]
Its honestly not that bad game for 5€
its average and disappointing at the worst
[QUOTE=paul simon;48793300]Hello.
PTSD doesn't mean what you think it means, it doesn't mean "person who is triggered by words on the interned".
That's called being an idiot. If you have such strong fears for specific things, don't seek them out. Go somewhere else.
I don't like imagery of peoples heads being cut off, and as such I don't browse websites like Liveleak. It's common sense, right?
Kindly,
someone who has an actual PTSD diagnosis and believes in free speech.[/QUOTE]
Never once did I even remotely infer that I thought those immature and emotionally underdeveloped people were sufferers of PTSD? I did specifically say that any use of the term trigger outside of the actual sense, whether in a mocking tone or a completely absurd application of the term to ridiculous issues, were both harmful and unnecessary. Do a better job to read my posts next time please.
[QUOTE=DanTehMan;48794903]Never once did I even remotely infer that I thought those immature and emotionally underdeveloped people were sufferers of PTSD? I did specifically say that any use of the term trigger outside of the actual sense, whether in a mocking tone or a completely absurd application of the term to ridiculous issues, were both harmful and unnecessary. Do a better job to read my posts next time please.[/QUOTE]
To further this point, if you are a company who wants some sort of respect, directly laughing in the face of people who actually have some sort of post traumatic stress from certain phrases, images, or whatever is really shitty. PTSD is not just from being in wars it can also come about through rape or other serious instances of "traumatic stress" and just as much as the backfire from a car can trigger a veteran into thinking it was a gunshot, casual talk of rape or whatever can trigger a rape victim, but somehow it is still ok to go "lol sjws worried about triggering XD" but it is taboo to say the same thing about veterans. Like I know that these people just wanted make a controversy because no one uses their platform, or at least I thought they were totally dead and so did other people apparently, but like it just further emphasizes the notion that gamers and woman (usuing woman because the type of PTSD I'm talking about is rape and domestic violence and stuff and there is a greater number of woman victims of these crimes than men) are not compatible.
I'm pretty sure they are making fun of people who claim to have ptsd from twitter comments and video game content
[QUOTE=EdvardSchnitz;48795309]I'm pretty sure they are making fun of people who claim to have ptsd from twitter comments and video game content[/QUOTE]
So by that logic its totally fine for me to go to a veterans home, hospital, or just general veterans meetup and start popping balloons everyone, yelling stuff in Arabic with fake bombs strapped to my chest, backfire my cars 100 times because there is no way everyone who says they suffer from war PTSD actually does? Just because some people might be like "guacamole has fat in it so I'm triggered by avocados ty" is not an excuse to make fun of actual trigger warnings, no matter the case.
[QUOTE=splenda;48795387]So by that logic its totally fine for me to go to a veterans home, hospital, or just general veterans meetup and start popping balloons everyone, yelling stuff in Arabic with fake bombs strapped to my chest, backfire my cars 100 times because there is no way everyone who says they suffer from war PTSD actually does? Just because some people might be like "guacamole has fat in it so I'm triggered by avocados ty" is not an excuse to make fun of actual trigger warnings, no matter the case.[/QUOTE]
You're way over reacting and missing every point. Calm down and think again.
[QUOTE=splenda;48795387]So by that logic its totally fine for me to go to a veterans home, hospital, or just general veterans meetup and start popping balloons everyone, yelling stuff in Arabic with fake bombs strapped to my chest, backfire my cars 100 times because there is no way everyone who says they suffer from war PTSD actually does? Just because some people might be like "guacamole has fat in it so I'm triggered by avocados ty" is not an excuse to make fun of actual trigger warnings, no matter the case.[/QUOTE]
Tell that to the cunts who turned ptsd and triggers into a joke to begin with.
[QUOTE=Latex;48795579]Tell that to the cunts who turned ptsd and triggers into a joke to begin with.[/QUOTE]
The people who seemingly trivialize things like the phrase trigger with its improper use should be ignored and let alone. Not become a mainstay in the gaming journalism community as a point of mockery and contention.
The people who are the problem are the people who keep giving those idiots publicity and media space.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;48795492]You're way over reacting and missing every point. Calm down and think again.[/QUOTE]
The thing is I have gone through what can be called "traumatic stress" of the non war type and I have been "triggered" by images/words/actions of others. The reason I'm so adamant about it is because triggers that remind one of traumatic events are fucking terrifying, and at least in my own experience, make one feel alone and scared, and worse of all, relive whatever event they went through. Casually being like "lol trigger warnings are dumb who cares if something has scenes of rape, domestic violence, or whatever it's only a video game" is totally missing the point. I personally have been triggered by events in games and if someone told me before hand that said game had events that would remind me of what I went through I would have not spent my money on them. So having a company blatently making fun of a serious mental condition is totally unprofessional and downright disgusting. They deserve all the backlash they are recieving because they actually had to sit down and think "hey let's make fun of people with PTSD that will go over totally well." Just because a few people have triggers not caused by PTSD does not magically make triggers a non-issue.
Hardly any of these games seem like they'd trigger anyone, why are they part of the trigger warning sale.
I guess DNF could trigger a flashback of all those years dumped into a game that feels like a poorly done mash-up of every major FPS in the past 12 years.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;48798561]Hardly any of these games seem like they'd trigger anyone, why are they part of the trigger warning sale.
I guess DNF could trigger a flashback of all those years dumped into a game that feels like a poorly done mash-up of every major FPS in the past 12 years.[/QUOTE]
The inclusion of hitman is probably a throwback to Anita's infamous clip claiming that Absolution is sexist because the player has the ability to kill strippers and drag their bodies around, presumably for perverse pleasure.
[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;48798716]The inclusion of hitman is probably a throwback to Anita's infamous clip claiming that Absolution is sexist because the player has the ability to kill strippers and drag their bodies around, presumably for perverse pleasure.[/QUOTE]
That actually makes sense, and the Bioshock Infinites are probably on there because Ken Levine gets triggered by people who ogle Elizabeth.
Watch_Dogs strikes me as their stand-in for GTA, since you can shoot women in that game and that makes it misogynist violence (precedence established by Australia.)
Psychonauts is a no-brainer since it's a game about brain problems, which makes sense with trigger warnings.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;48798840]That actually makes sense, and the Bioshock Infinites are probably on there because Ken Levine gets triggered by people who ogle Elizabeth.
Watch_Dogs strikes me as their stand-in for GTA, since you can shoot women in that game and that makes it misogynist violence (precedence established by Australia.)
Psychonauts is a no-brainer since it's a game about brain problems, which makes sense with trigger warnings.[/QUOTE]Anita claimed that a major part of Watch_Dogs was using your hacking abilities to spy on and lure women in to alleyways and then murdering them.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;48798840]
Psychonauts is a no-brainer since it's a game about brain problems, which makes sense with trigger warnings.[/QUOTE]
Also because of who made it I think.
[QUOTE=splenda;48795387]So by that logic its totally fine for me to go to a veterans home, hospital, or just general veterans meetup and start popping balloons everyone, yelling stuff in Arabic with fake bombs strapped to my chest, backfire my cars 100 times because there is no way everyone who says they suffer from war PTSD actually does? Just because some people might be like "guacamole has fat in it so I'm triggered by avocados ty" is not an excuse to make fun of actual trigger warnings, no matter the case.[/QUOTE]Surviving an IED and losing both your legs is a little bit more traumatic than arguing on the internet.
[QUOTE=splenda;48798375]The thing is I have gone through what can be called "traumatic stress" of the non war type[/QUOTE][I]Cool.[/I] Nobody here cares, (really, nobody ever cares, it's a lesson I hope you learn soon for your sake) but since you've mentioned it I'll play too: I get triggered by water, dark shapes, and wide open spaces. (there are other things, but unrelated to that particular traumatic incident) I'm not a blubbering fucking mess every time I walk by a pond because I learned [I]coping mechanisms[/I] (you should have learned this in therapy or group) to live with my condition and lead a relatively normal and productive life, but the real big thing is I'm not hysterical about everything and hypersensitive. I think critically. I attack my disorder every time it rears it's ugly goddamn head.
Your hyperbolic emotional argument isn't going to win anyone over and it's [i]especially[/i] not going to win me over precisely because I come from the same place you do. They're clearly taking a stab at the "ZOMG TRUGGERED!!" retards who claim to have been double thought raped and objectified by cis rapist male patriarchy agents because the pimply-faced kid behind the counter said they needed to check their ID before buying all that Pabst Blue Ribbon. They're not taking a stab at people who are actually in pain every single day and have to deal with surprise bouts of anxiety, paranoia, aggression, and are constantly in a state of mild concern regarding the constantly silly shit their subconscious is going to vomit out at them the moment they let their guard down.
You knew all of that anyway, deep down you knew they weren't making fun of you, me, or anyone else who suffers. Congratulations, you're a social justice warrior, you got offended over nothing and you picked a fight because of it.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48799623]Surviving an IED and losing both your legs is a little bit more traumatic than arguing on the internet.
[I]Cool.[/I] Nobody here cares, (really, nobody ever cares, it's a lesson I hope you learn soon for your sake) but since you've mentioned it I'll play too: I get triggered by water, dark shapes, and wide open spaces. (there are other things, but unrelated to that particular traumatic incident) I'm not a blubbering fucking mess every time I walk by a pond because I learned [I]coping mechanisms[/I] (you should have learned this in therapy or group) to live with my condition and lead a relatively normal and productive life, but the real big thing is I'm not hysterical about everything and hypersensitive. I think critically. I attack my disorder every time it rears it's ugly goddamn head.
Your hyperbolic emotional argument isn't going to win anyone over and it's [i]especially[/i] not going to win me over precisely because I come from the same place you do. They're clearly taking a stab at the "ZOMG TRUGGERED!!" retards who claim to have been double thought raped and objectified by cis rapist male patriarchy agents because the pimply-faced kid behind the counter said they needed to check their ID before buying all that Pabst Blue Ribbon. They're not taking a stab at people who are actually in pain every single day and have to deal with surprise bouts of anxiety, paranoia, aggression, and are constantly in a state of mild concern regarding the constantly silly shit their subconscious is going to vomit out at them the moment they let their guard down.
You knew all of that anyway, deep down you knew they weren't making fun of you, me, or anyone else who suffers. Congratulations, you're a social justice warrior, you got offended over nothing and you picked a fight because of it.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't really looking for sympathy or anything. I was just trying to explain why I feel passionate about the things I do. I don't really give a shit what anyone labels me, for the record, I think labels are dumb and I would never call myself a social justice warrior, feminist, whatever else anyone thinks I am because I have my own views on things and do not like to be lumped in with other people. I'm not going to argue about whose "traumatic events" are more traumatic, all people who have gone through some sort of hard times, from being raped to having their legs blown off or whatever is the same to me, even if the way you worded it makes it seem like you care more about people who have PTSD from war than those who have PTSD from a more domestic form of traumatic stress, because that is just semantics at that point.
Now back to the actual topic, yes I do realize they tried to make fun of the group who makes fake trigger warnings or whatever. The thing is, there is no way to address that without lumping everyone else who actually has legitimate triggers. Direct2Drive has essentially said "fuck everyone who suffers or has suffered from PTSD, from those in war to rape victims to those who ate a tub of ice cream and are now triggered by looking at a cow." There is no way around this. A "professional" company should not "shit" on people with psychological disorders. I guess this opinion is too radical, progressive, liberal, social justice warrior-y for you to understand judging by what you said. Triggers are not just a tumblr invented thing to keep the patriarchy down or whatever, but a real thing. Like you even said, you get, or have been, triggered by certain things. Direct2Drive's campaign can even be pointed at your example of a "more traumatic" experience of a soldier whose legs were blown up. I bet if you put said soldier in a humvee and drive by an object on the side of the road that looks identical to the IED that took his legs, he would be triggered by that object. This company and their "trigger warning" sale makes fun of that soldier just as much as it makes fun of someone who is triggered by the mention of the sun because they got sunburned once when they were little. There is literally no difference there, no matter how much you want to spin it. Even if some people fabricate a psychological disorder, for whatever reasons they do so, most likely for attention, it does not magically make it ok to make fun of the disorder.
Mental health problems are no laughing matter, and if this viewpoint classifies me as a "SJW" then I'm totally fine with that, because at the end of the day, all I want to do is be comfortable with myself, and this means not making fun of other's pain. If you are fine with yourself for thinking that being upset over a company blatantly making fun of those suffering from PTSD is getting "offended over nothing" then that is cool too, but it is not going to change my opinion that Direct2Drive is a shitty company with shitty business practices and immoral marketing strategies.
[QUOTE=splenda;48799811]I wasn't really looking for sympathy or anything. I was just trying to explain why I feel passionate about the things I do.[/QUOTE]Alright, fair enough.
[QUOTE=splenda;48799811]I'm not going to argue about whose "traumatic events" are more traumatic, all people who have gone through some sort of hard times, from being raped to having their legs blown off or whatever is the same to me, even if the way you worded it makes it seem like you care more about people who have PTSD from war than those who have PTSD from a more domestic form of traumatic stress, because that is just semantics at that point.[/QUOTE]No, pretty sure I worded it exactly as I meant it. Surviving an IED is an actual traumatic event, getting told off on the internet isn't. If you're that much of an emotional wreck that internet arguments completely shatter your life, then you have something defective in your head and you shouldn't use a computer. Ever. It's a bad idea.
We both know the people who pretend to have PTSD aren't anything other than attention whores looking for a cheap and easy disorder they don't need to prove they have. It pisses me off.
[QUOTE=splenda;48799811]Now back to the actual topic, yes I do realize they tried to make fun of the group who makes fake trigger warnings or whatever.[/QUOTE]Okay... [QUOTE=splenda;48799811]The thing is, there is no way to address that without lumping everyone else who actually has legitimate triggers.[/QUOTE]aaand you lost it by contradicting yourself. If you get it, you get it. The inference they intended got through, so clearly there [i]is[/i] a way to address that.
[QUOTE=splenda;48799811]I guess this opinion is too radical, progressive, liberal, social justice warrior-y for you to understand judging by what you said.[/QUOTE]No, it's just a knee-jerk emotional response. It's not radical, progressive, or anything else it's just something that's not rational at all. That seems to be the core tenet of "social justice activism" so I guess it counts as that.
[QUOTE=splenda;48799811]Like you even said, you get, or have been, triggered by certain things. Direct2Drive's campaign can even be pointed at your example of a "more traumatic" experience of a soldier whose legs were blown up.[/QUOTE]I [U]highly[/U] doubt that, but do me a favor and ask them on twitter about this just for clarification. I really don't care enough to absolutely confirm what common sense tells me to be true, but if you want to do it go right ahead and post it here to prove me wrong.
[QUOTE=splenda;48799811]There is literally no difference there, no matter how much you want to spin it. Even if some people fabricate a psychological disorder, for whatever reasons they do so, most likely for attention, it does not magically make it ok to make fun of the disorder.[/QUOTE]See, you clearly see a difference and you admitted to seeing it because you said,[QUOTE=splenda;48799811]yes I do realize they tried to make fun of the group who makes fake trigger warnings or whatever.[/QUOTE]
You actually said that, so you obviously can see that they weren't going after our hypothetical soldier. Nobody ever said it was okay to make fun of the disorder either, and you're trying real hard to say that using tumblrina alligator tears for comedic material is the same as insulting people who live with PTSD. You're making the equation that these two things are equal and by extension you're saying that people faking the disorder suffer the same amount as people with it. Honestly that pisses me off a great deal because it's patently false and it is [U]actually[/U] offensive because it's so fucking stupid. Worse still you're trying to convince [I]me[/I] that it's true, and frankly buddy that's what really burns my ass about what you're saying right now.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48799937]words[/QUOTE]
Alright I'm just going to comment on your last part for now:
I am not trying to say that people with "fake" triggers are the same as people with actual triggers. I never actually said that but if you want to point out the place I did, you sure pointed out the places I said that was specifically not the case, than be my guest. If you can think of a way that [t]http://puu.sh/kui1n/de54794d86.PNG[/t] somehow magically only says "Hey guys we really only mean those who have fake trigger warnings and not anyone else please do not take it any other way because we worded this super specifically!" please tell me because all I am getting from it is "triggers are dumb so we made a joke sale of it hahahaha." Since their message is not blatantly clear, I will take it to the most extreme. If they actually want to clarify it they better update their banner, because telling one person in a direct message that they are not making fun of the "hypothetical soldier" is sure as hell not telling the average person who will just check their website and not scour their social media pages looking for clues on their true intentions. I'm not trying to convince you of anything other than this marketing campaign is in poor taste, frankly I do not give a shit what your views are on greater social issues or anyone else's for that matter. In my opinion, their choice of theme for this sale is totally outrageous, and that is the only opinion I have that is relevant at all to this entire argument. The whole "are triggers real or not and what constitutes an actual traumatic event and what does not" is just unnecessary, even though it seems like we are at least on a similar page on our views for this. Like they could have easily made this sale a "fall sale" or "back to school specials" or whatever and it would not be as nearly as problematic. Like I get why they named this sale the way they did, controversy makes clickbait, hence equals more sales, but it seems like a kinda scummy strategy and will ultimately just lead to a greater disconnect between the gaming public, who already have the stigma of being insensitive and exclusive, and the general public, especially amongst women, who have higher rates of non war induced PTSD than men do and thus are more susceptible to the whole "trigger" thing, who already feel generally unaccepted in the gaming world. From a page view perspective, this strategy was perfect, but from a bigger picture perspective, it only harms the industry. I feel like our discussion went totally off topic so I would like to just call a truce or whatever and go back to the actual issue I have with this campaign. If you or anyone else thinks this campaign is truly justified or whatever though I would be happy to know your viewpoints on this.
I had a post. It was too long and you just posted. Here's the important bit.
"Trigger warnings" should never be used in public. Ever.
It's a mental health treatment method, meant to be employed by a professional, under supervision, with limits, checks, restrictions. The point is to prepare the patient for the wider world where there won't be any warnings.
On to of that, my understanding is what actually genuinely is a trigger to a PSTD sufferer is a very private and embarrassing subject - one they would most definitely not share in public. There is also the potential for abuse such information could provide to someone willing to harm the individual. It is NOT a topic to be shared.
So the answer to your question is simple: if you hear of a "trigger warning", it's being misused. It'll be mentioned by someone who doesn't know any better - or it's being used to ridicule those who don't know any better.
That "special snowflakes" are trivializing such a sensitive subject should the focus of your ire, not those looking to bring them down a peg.
You're getting mad at a reaction to injustice, when you should focus on the injustice itself.
They're clearly just calling it a Trigger Warning Sale because the mere suggestion that we pay money for Duke Nukem is enough to send even the most mentally stable person into a panic attack.
Wow, this ad campaign really worked.
I mean look at this thread. Negative or not, its still exposure.
Imagine if instead of arguing over a video game sales name (over the medium of a video game forum), we just realized video games are video games and they are meant to be fun. Who fucking cares beyond that.
I'll reply just to this part since it seems the most prudent thing to do:
[QUOTE=splenda;48800116]I feel like our discussion went totally off topic so I would like to just call a truce or whatever and go back to the actual issue I have with this campaign. If you or anyone else thinks this campaign is truly justified or whatever though I would be happy to know your viewpoints on this.[/QUOTE]Yes, it is perfectly justified. It's effective and anything that pisses off social justice warriors tends to be a good thing in my book. I don't have a single fucking second's worth of time for anyone who fakes a real psychological disorder for attention, nor do I have any sympathy for those same people as they trivialize and marginalize a real problem that real people face just so they have a more believable victim complex.
These people manipulate sympathy by evoking the "oh, I'm a victim you can't harm me!" card and then trying to shame everyone else in the next breath. No. The reason why I come off as a callous asshole is because I am [U]sick[/U] and fucking tired of these lecherous cunts, social parasites that wallow in controversy they cause and moan about how they're oh so oppressed. They're a goddamn cancer. You talk about the bigger picture? This doesn't hurt an industry, it just says what most of us are thinking, this is a goddamn blast of radiation to scrub the taint out by driving a wedge between them and normal people. This doesn't lead to a greater disconnect between the general public and the gaming public, this type of shit leads to a disconnect between sane, rational people and the delusional emotional vampires that prey on our guilt because, aww, we made wittle baby feel bad!
Fuck that. You should be goddamn mad as hell at people who use what we endure as a fucking fashion accessory, not the people who openly mock them.
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