Square Enix patches out Japanese language support for Tomb Raider on Steam, and is selling it back a - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;40266132]A dollar is worth just a little less than 100 yen, so that sounds about right to me.[/QUOTE] 98.89¥ per 1$ right now so it being around ~79900 yen is just about right. I wonder what valve will do. They obviously already completed the purchase and already had that stuff in their game. I wonder if they will just give them the dlc pack if they complain or give it out in mass to those from japan.

[QUOTE=thomasfn;40261871]It's not like Square-Enix to pull an EA.[/QUOTE] EA? Doesn't even hold a bloody candle compared to Battlefront. What's that? Upcoming patch that fixes lots of things? Sure, just pay 10€ and you'll get every update and 30€ add-on being only compatible to that specific patch only.

[QUOTE=ManiacKiller;40265965]I understand your point, but I think it would be more equivalent to buying a single burger and getting a double by mistake, then having one of the patties removed and asking for the difference in price to get it back. We weren't supposed to have a version with Japanese content, and the Japanese weren't supposed to be able to buy this game early. Just a last-minute fix by SE.[/QUOTE] Actually, it's more like taking the burger after the customer has already taken a bite.

[QUOTE=Rika-chan;40262769]After reviewing everything, I don't see a problem with this. If you buy the Japanese version it is 80 USD, people were importing it for 50 USD. 50+30=80 The game isn't even out in Japan yet officially. [/QUOTE] I do. I see a product on a market I can freely access. I see it fits my needs and I buy it. How am I supposed to be responsible for the fact the publisher fucked up, and have to pay $30 I might not even HAVE, to be able to enjoy what I already paid for? What if somebody wouldn't be willing to shell out $80 in the first place? This literally steals portion of what they have paid for. Imagine seeing book in a bookstore. It's in your language. You can see that. The bookstore owner smiles and accepts your money, saying you a nice goodbye. You enjoy the book for a while. Suddenly somebody comes to you, snags the book out of your hands, and says "Ooops, this version was meant to be more expensive", and gives you a book in a language you can't read, instead. "It's okay, you can have the book you paid for if you give me $30 extra. It's not how market should ever work.

This is literally NOTHING wrong with this. It was going to be sold in Japan for $80. People bought it for $50 via import, they shouldnt have, so to get their money back, they re-sell Japanese language for $30. In the end, the people scamming the system pay what they're suppose to, and the money that was suppose to be made, was made. There is legit nothing wrong with this, anyone who disagrees simply did not read the thread

[QUOTE=zerothefallen;40280102]This is literally NOTHING wrong with this. It was going to be sold in Japan for $80. People bought it for $50 via import, they shouldnt have, so to get their money back, they re-sell Japanese language for $30. In the end, the people scamming the system pay what they're suppose to, and the money that was suppose to be made, was made. There is legit nothing wrong with this, anyone who disagrees simply did not read the thread[/QUOTE] There was nothing to tell the people "this is not meant for you". It was on publicly available market. I would be alright with them making it impossible to purchase it further, but you shouldn't be stripped of what you bought in good faith just because the seller is incompetent and fucked up.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;40280152]There was nothing to tell the people "this is not meant for you". It was on publicly available market. I would be alright with them making it impossible to purchase it further, but you shouldn't be stripped of what you bought in good faith just because the seller is incompetent and fucked up.[/QUOTE] Just because they fucked up doesnt mean they can go around regional price restrictions and expect to get away with it??

[QUOTE=zerothefallen;40280270]Just because they fucked up doesnt mean they can go around regional price restrictions and expect to get away with it??[/QUOTE] When people want to buy something, they're going to try and get it as cheap as possible. And this was a completely legal and ethical way to do it. All they're doing is punishing the people who actually purchased it the way they intended. If you believe something that idiotic, I guess you also think games in general should be twice the price because some people pirated them (which is less ethical than importing)

[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;40280351]When people want to buy something, they're going to try and get it as cheap as possible. And this was a completely legal and ethical way to do it. All they're doing is punishing the people who actually purchased it the way they intended. If you believe something that idiotic, I guess you also think games in general should be twice the price because some people pirated them (which is less ethical than importing)[/QUOTE] It's not "intended" It was intended for japanese people to buy it @ $80, and people went around it. I In no way is it "intdended" and I never brought up pirating and I don't know that's related (or makes sense) They got around the intended pricing, then they payed for it. Big deal

[QUOTE=zerothefallen;40280398]It's not "intended" It was intended for japanese people to buy it @ $80, and people went around it. I In no way is it "intdended" and I never brought up pirating and I don't know that's related (or makes sense) They got around the intended pricing, then they payed for it. Big deal[/QUOTE] By your logic, if I get a game cheaper from an online retailer or a key reseller, getting vital parts of the game ripped and sold back to me is perfectly fine then?

[QUOTE=zerothefallen;40280398]It's not "intended" It was intended for japanese people to buy it @ $80, and people went around it. I In no way is it "intdended" and I never brought up pirating and I don't know that's related (or makes sense) They got around the intended pricing, then they payed for it. Big deal[/QUOTE] People who pirate games also often do so to get around the pricing. But developers aren't making people "pay for it" by driving new releases up to $100 or something. If you're really too bone-headed to understand that... boy would I love to sell stuff to you.

[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;40280467]People who pirate games also often do so to get around the pricing. But developers aren't making people "pay for it" by driving new releases up to $100 or something. If you're really too bone-headed to understand that... boy would I love to sell stuff to you.[/QUOTE] But the thing is that SE isn't "driving up the price" they're returning the price to what it was supposed to be. Companies wouldn't make other customers "pay for it" and that's not what's happening with SE. Companies just want you to pay the proper amount for the product you get, and in japan that happens to be $80.

[QUOTE=The Vman;40282464]But the thing is that SE isn't "driving up the price" they're returning the price to what it was supposed to be. Companies wouldn't make other customers "pay for it" and that's not what's happening with SE. Companies just want you to pay the proper amount for the product you get, and in japan that happens to be $80.[/QUOTE] Problem is you already got a product and paid for it the price you and the seller agreed on on the purchase. It's not your problem the seller is about to sell it to your buddies for more than half more expensive - it's none of your concern. You get to an offer, you accept it. You get your goods. Your goods are now legally yours and taking them away from you just because you didn't pay what the other chucklefucks are expected to pay, is breach of your (at the very least moral, I wouldn't be surprised if Steam or other EULA covered it) rights on the product you paid for.

[QUOTE=PaChIrA;40261910]What the hell Square, I thought you were the good guys[/QUOTE] When did they become the "good guys"?

[QUOTE=Neo Kabuto;40283904]When did they become the "good guys"?[/QUOTE] They def weren't bad guys before.

[QUOTE=legolover122;40284101]They def weren't bad guys before.[/QUOTE] They weren't that much worse than most companies (unless you like Chrono Trigger), but it's not like they're either good or bad. They're just not really notably either one.

This doesnt seem like its necessarily greedy, more like they fucked up and are fucking up trying to fix their first fuck up.

[QUOTE=plunger435;40263739]I don't see a problem with this, it's to stop Japanese people from importing the game from US and EU steam to get a lower price, and doesn't affect anyone else.[/QUOTE] That price difference shouldn't exist in the first place as digital distribution requires no shipping fees, same case in australia with the prices of games on steam there

[QUOTE=dgg;40261979]"We fucked up, let's punish our consumers".[/QUOTE] They only punished the people who bought the game when they weren't supposed to genius Which is hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost profit

[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzar;40285940]They only punished the people who bought the game when they weren't supposed to genius Which is hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost profit[/QUOTE] See, from my understanding, Square Enix themselves put the game up on steam for japan a month too early and cheaper than they intended. It's not at all the fault of the Japanese customers who bought it before the intended release, so why should they be punished?

[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzar;40285940]They only punished the people who bought the game when they weren't supposed to genius Which is hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost profit[/QUOTE] So you think it's fair to be punished if you imported a game before its release date in your own country? Just so you know the game originally came with Japanese subtitles, which were then patched out. It's now being bundled with Japanese voices for $30. How would you feel if subtitles in your native tongue were released in a game, taken out, and then sold back to you?

[QUOTE=Jacen;40286296]See, from my understanding, Square Enix themselves put the game up on steam for japan a month too early and cheaper than they intended. It's not at all the fault of the Japanese customers who bought it before the intended release, so why should they be punished?[/QUOTE] They're not being forced to buy the DLC, the DLC is just available to customers who purchased the game earlier for a cheaper price in an attempt by the publisher to make up the difference. [editline]15th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Zet;40287001]So you think it's fair to be punished if you imported a game before its release date in your own country? Just so you know the game originally came with Japanese subtitles, which were then patched out. It's now being bundled with Japanese voices for $30. How would you feel if subtitles in your native tongue were released in a game, taken out, and then sold back to you?[/QUOTE] People in Japan who buy the game normally in retail will get the Japanese version of the game, without having to pay for the DLC.

[QUOTE=Coffee;40287042]They're not being forced to buy the DLC, the DLC is just available to customers who purchased the game earlier for a cheaper price in an attempt by the publisher to make up the difference. [editline]15th April 2013[/editline] People in Japan who buy the game normally in retail will get the Japanese version of the game, without having to pay for the DLC.[/QUOTE] Except that the publisher already sold the product to the customer. The price was already agreed upon, and the fault was on the publisher. And yes, they are being forced to buy the DLC, or learn a new language, I suppose. Except when people in Japan buy the game normally (for the price of the DLC as well) they are agreeing upon a difference price. They're two different transactions.

[QUOTE=Neo Kabuto;40283904]When did they become the "good guys"?[/QUOTE] They had very good PC Ports

It is as if game developers / publishers get dumber by the day.

[QUOTE=AlienCreature;40264917]Can we get rid of region pricing differences? They are obsolete in a digital market, where shipping is free.[/QUOTE] That was never the point of regional pricing in the first place. Regional pricing exists to account for differences is wages/expected prices. For example, Russian copies of games are cheaper because people earn less, and therefore wouldn't pay the equivalent of $60 for a game. Simply put, regional pricing exists so different communities of people can be offered the same product at the maximum price said community is willing to pay (therefore maximising profit).