Cops May Face Death Penalty In Post-Katrina Shootings - Polidicks

[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;23356681]Have you been shot to death before?[/QUOTE] I'd imagine none of us have, that's a fucking stupid question/argument/whatever the fuck that was supposed to be.

[QUOTE=JDK721v2;23356724]the ultimate decision whether to execute someone is up to the judge. the jury can voice their opinion, but that doesn't mean the judge can't go against the jury.[/QUOTE] Do you really think a judge in a murder case would overturn the jury? He may be able to, but what would that make his public appearance look like? That would be his last case.

[QUOTE=Ragy;23356758]I'm don't support capital punishment for petty crime, but for serious crime I do. Have you ever been raped brutality? No. You don't understand the effect that crimes like these have on the victim.[/QUOTE] Again, "You can't have a say because you don't understand" is a stupid fucking argument. That's not justice, that's revenge. It's petty and ridiculous.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23356797]Again, "You can't have a say because you don't understand" is a stupid fucking argument. That's not justice, that's revenge. It's petty and ridiculous.[/QUOTE] What you call revenge I call justice.

[QUOTE=Ragy;23356788]Do you really think a judge in a murder case would overturn the jury? He may be able to, but what would that make his public appearance look like? That would be his last case.[/QUOTE] He doesn't need to "Overturn the Jury" the jury has no say in sentencing, by the time he sentences the defendant, he's already convicted.

There's a point where people don't deserve to be rehabilitated. Rape a bunch of girls, go to jail for a long time, but get out because they deem you normal? What about the lives you ruined, the girls you hurt, the families you hurt? You get to go off relatively easy, but the pain will always be with those girls.

[QUOTE=Ragy;23356808]What you call revenge I call justice.[/QUOTE] It's not justice, and it's impossible to prove a singular event that happened in the past to 100%, so executing someone is baseless as it is irreversible.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23356732]Nope. That's not at all how it works it goes like this (Gross simplification): Trial (Jury) -> Convicton (Jury) -> [B]Sentencing after trial and Jury dismissal (Judge)[/B] -> Sentence performance (Prison System) -> Release or Execution of prisoner.[/QUOTE] You're talking out of your ass like JDK. The jury is dismissed into a back room to vote on the conviction which has to be 95% sure the defendant is guilty. They come out and the judge adds up the votes and then issues the sentence that was charged.

I say life in prison. Take away someone's purpose and they're already dead.

[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;23356832]There's a point where people don't deserve to be rehabilitated. Rape a bunch of girls, go to jail for a long time, but get out because they deem you normal? What about the lives you ruined, the girls you hurt, the families you hurt? You get to go off relatively easy, but the pain will always be with those girls.[/QUOTE] If they do actually recover to a point where they would be let off from a sentence that otherwise would be until they die, I would imagine that this person would also feel an unbearable sense of guilt and shame. By this point, the people involved would have gotten over it as well as they could have, as well. With this, you're also still taking probably around 30 years of their life away. Think about that, if you knew that you just lost thirty years of living in freedom.

why the fuck aren't any of you getting sources, you're all just talking out of your ass

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23356836]It's not justice, and it's impossible to prove a singular event that happened in the past to 100%, so executing someone is baseless as it is irreversible.[/QUOTE] You have to be 95% sure the defendant is guilty.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23356769]I'd imagine none of us have, that's a fucking stupid question/argument/whatever the fuck that was supposed to be.[/QUOTE] I'm trying to say that he should put his perspective into those people. It's stupid to assume that those cops should deserve a lighter sentence if they shot at six people, severely injured four, and killed two people. Death in real life is nothing like videogames.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23356885]If they do actually recover to a point where they would be let off from a sentence that otherwise would be until they die, I would imagine that this person would also feel an unbearable sense of guilt and shame. By this point, the people involved would have gotten over it as well as they could have, as well. With this, you're also still taking probably around 30 years of their life away. Think about that, if you knew that you just lost thirty years of living in freedom.[/QUOTE] I guess, but sometimes people can't be fixed

[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;23356893]why the fuck aren't any of you getting sources, you're all just talking out of your ass[/QUOTE] I seem to be the only one here who has actually taken classes on law. Everyone else is just talking out of their asses.

[QUOTE=JDK721v2;23356432]the government executes its own citizens[/QUOTE] The government executes murderers.

[QUOTE=Ragy;23356875]You're talking out of your ass like JDK. The jury is dismissed into a back room to vote on the conviction which has to be 95% sure the defendant is guilty. They come out and the judge adds up the votes and then issues the sentence that was charges.[/QUOTE] Yes, then the judge sentences, the Jury can only go "I don't like this." At that point, they cannot reverse their vote on conviction. The most they can do is make sentencing recommendations, just like the witnesses and victims, but in the end, it's the judge who makes the call. There have been cases where victim's families don't want the death penalty, but they still get it. The only person with real power to overturn the Judge's sentence is the governor of the relevant state. One government official overturning another's attempt to take life, and you see no problems with this? [editline]12:49PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Ragy;23356896]You have to be 95% sure the defendant is guilty.[/QUOTE] How do you prove it? You can't be 95% sure, even. There's no way to calculate a p-value or confidence interval of a criminal trial. If you know of one, publish it, be the most famous man in the world for perfecting justice.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23356885]Think about that, if you knew that you just lost thirty years of living in freedom.[/QUOTE] The police officers knew very well what they were doing, I don't have any pity for them.

[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;23356910]I guess, but sometimes people can't be fixed[/QUOTE] I completely agree with this, and this is why we can keep people in prison forever, executing them isn't a good option because of the irreversible nature.

[QUOTE=Ragy;23356912]I seem to be the only one here who has actually taken classes on law. Everyone else is just talking out of their asses.[/QUOTE] He's like lankist only in reverse

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23356941]Yes, then the judge sentences, the Jury can only go "I don't like this." At that point, they cannot reverse their vote on conviction. The most they can do is make sentencing recommendations, just like the witnesses and victims, but in the end, it's the judge who makes the call. There have been cases where victim's families don't want the death penalty, but they still get it. The only person with real power to overturn the Judge's sentence is the governor of the relevant state. One government official overturning another's attempt to take life, and you see no problems with this?[/QUOTE] Haha what the hell are you talking about?

[QUOTE=Ragy;23356912]I seem to be the only one here who has actually taken classes on law. Everyone else is just talking out of their asses.[/QUOTE] Without sources you're still talking out of your ass just as much as me. Difference is, I admit it, I need to find more sources for what I say to give my arguments proper weight. So do you, though.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23357009]Without sources you're still talking out of your ass just as much as me. Difference is, I admit it, I need to find more sources for what I say to give my arguments proper weight. So do you, though.[/QUOTE] The only thing you need to admit is that you don't know shit about the trial process.

[QUOTE=Ragy;23357005]Haha what the hell are you talking about?[/QUOTE] Once the process of appeals are done (I'm not up to speed with how the appeals process on capital cases works, can you get a me a good link if I can't find one?) the governor of the pursuant state is the only one who can issue clemency.

[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;23356910]I guess, but sometimes people can't be fixed[/QUOTE] you can't say that without a doubt. if you execute them then you're stripping them of their right to life. [editline]12:53PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Ragy;23357025]The only thing you need to admit is that you don't know shit about the trial process.[/QUOTE] says the guy who didn't know who decides the criminal sentence

[QUOTE=Ragy;23357025]The only thing you need to admit is that you don't know shit about the trial process.[/QUOTE] You're still talking out of your ass just as much as me until you get sources. Just because you've taken CRJ-110 at your college or something doesn't make you a lawyer, or even a paralegal.

[QUOTE=Ragy;23357025]The only thing you need to admit is that you don't know shit about the trial process.[/QUOTE] Regardless of the trial process, people are still giving the government a right to kill people. It's a power they shouldn't have.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23357046]Once the process of appeals are done (I'm not up to speed with how the appeals process on capital cases works, can you get a me a good link if I can't find one?) the governor of the pursuant state is the only one who can issue clemency.[/QUOTE] [B]Before[/B] the court even starts, the defendant already knows his charges and the jury is informed. The jury doesn't vote to convict him and then the judge says the sentence, you don't know shit. [editline]04:55PM[/editline] [QUOTE=James*;23357076]Regardless of the trial process, people are still giving the government a right to kill people. It's a power they shouldn't have.[/QUOTE] The government doesn't convict the defendants of the charges, the jury do. Dear god.

[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;23356681]Have you been shot to death before?[/QUOTE] I would kinda assume that most people here haven't been shot to death.

[QUOTE=bravehat;23357113]I would kinda assume that most people here haven't been shot to death.[/QUOTE] maybe