Cops May Face Death Penalty In Post-Katrina Shootings - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Ragy;23357083]The government doesn't convict the defendants of the charges, the jury do. Dear god.[/QUOTE] the judge (a government official) decides whether to execute the person you fucking idiot. and the government carries out and allows the execution. get that through your head please. all the jury does is convict the defendant. they DO NOT decide what the sentencing will be.

The damn jury decides of the defendant is guilty or not.

[QUOTE=Ragy;23357140]The damn jury decides of the defendant is guilty or not.[/QUOTE] conviction =/= sentencing you are a fucking idiot

[QUOTE=Ragy;23357083][B]Before[/B] the court even starts, the defendant already knows his charges and the jury is informed. The jury doesn't vote to convict him and then the judge says the sentence, you don't know shit. [editline]04:55PM[/editline] The government doesn't convict the defendants of the charges, the jury do. Dear god.[/QUOTE] Yes and? They know the charges, and the [b][i]PROBABLE and MINIMUMS and MAXIMUMS[/i][/b] sentences that go with them, but once convicted, the judge sentences within the guidelines set down, being harsher or fairer depending on the cases' specifics. Fuck, how hard is that to understand?

[QUOTE=JDK721v2;23357135]the judge (a government official) decides whether to execute the person you fucking idiot. and the government carries out and allows the executions. get that through your head please. all the jury does is convict the defendant. they DO NOT decide what the sentencing will be.[/QUOTE] The judge [B]decides[/B] the charges of the defendant. The [B]jury[/B] (people) will convict him of that sentence if they believe he should be charged with it. It's so simple and yet, your brain and seem to wrap around it.

[QUOTE=JDK721v2;23356138]yeah let's stoop down to their level great idea are you 12[/QUOTE] Didn't you get banned for a week?

[QUOTE=Ragy;23357168]The judge [B]decides[/B] the charges of the defendant. [/QUOTE] no, he doesn't. the DA does. [QUOTE=Ragy;23357168]The [B]jury[/B] (people) will convict him of that sentence if they believe he should be charged with it. It's so simple and yet, your brain and seem to wrap around it.[/QUOTE] and once he's been convicted, it's the judge's decision as to what his sentence will be. fuck, how hard is this to comprehend? do we need to draw it out for you or something

[QUOTE=Ragy;23357168]The judge [B]decides[/B] the charges of the defendant. The [B]jury[/B] (people) will convict him of that sentence if they believe he should be charged with it. It's so simple and yet, your brain and seem to wrap around it.[/QUOTE] [highlight]No they don't.[/highlight] They convict them of charges that are brought about not by the judge, but the [b]prosecution[/b], with it comes sentencing guidelines, the [b]jury[/b] then convicts them of the charges. After the conviction, the judge looks at the case and then decides the term and severity of the punishment for the conviction, which is known as the [b]sentencing.[/b]

[QUOTE=Ragy;23357140]The damn jury decides of the defendant is guilty or not.[/QUOTE] EXACTLY. The jury decides if the convicted person is guilty of the crime or not. They have no say in the sentencing. They say "guilty" or "not guilty" they don't get to say "well yeah he's guilty but this doesn't deserve life in prison" etc.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23357166]Yes and? They know the charges, and the [b][i]PROBABLE and MINIMUMS and MAXIMUMS[/i][/b] sentences that go with them, but once convicted, the judge sentences within the guidelines set down, being harsher or fairer depending on the cases' specifics. Fuck, how hard is that to understand?[/QUOTE] The judge can decide that for cases such as cases involving prison years, we're talking about capital punishment. There is [B]no[/B] amnesty in capital punishment cases. You think the judge can go "I think the defendant needs amnesty, so I'm cutting his death penalty in half". :downs:

and Ragy said we know nothing lol do we have to fucking draw a chart for you or something

[QUOTE=Perfumly;23357229]EXACTLY. The jury decides if the convicted person is guilty of the crime or not. They have no say in the sentencing. They say "guilty" or "not guilty" they don't get to say "well yeah he's guilty but this doesn't deserve life in prison" etc.[/QUOTE] No, they say guilty or not guilty to the charges at hand. If the jury does not agree with the charges, it will be regarded as a mistrial.

[QUOTE=Ragy;23357230]The judge can decide that for cases such as cases involving prison years, we're talking about capital punishment. There is [B]no[/B] amnesty in capital punishment cases. You think the judge can go "I think the defendant needs amnesty, so I'm cutting his death penalty in half". :downs:[/QUOTE] It's made a capital case by the [b]JUDGE'S[/b] decision to give him the death sentence.

I'm arguing on my phone and its hard to type out arguments.

[QUOTE=Ragy;23357255]No, they say guilty or not guilty to the charges at hand. If the jury does not agree with the charges, it will be regarded as a mistrial.[/QUOTE] Yes, to the charges. The charges bring with them a variety of sentencing options, after conviction, these sentencing options are looked over by the judge, and then one is chosen by the judge.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23357261]It's made a capital case by the [b]JUDGE'S[/b] decision to give him the death sentence.[/QUOTE] [B]And that charge is decided before even the trial process even starts.[/B] [editline]05:04PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Kagrenak;23357286]Yes, to the charges. The charges bring with them a variety of sentencing options, after conviction, these sentencing options are looked over by the judge, and then one is chosen by the judge.[/QUOTE] There's no "variety" in capital punishment. It's [B]life[/B] or [B]death[/B]. Simple as that.

[QUOTE=Ragy;23357288][B]And that charge is decided before even the trial process even starts.[/B][/QUOTE] No it is not. The charge of "First Degree Murder" is, but not the charge and sentence of "First Degree Murder served via Execution." People convicted of first degree murder can be sentenced to execution, but the states do not require it. [editline]01:06PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Ragy;23357288][B]And that charge is decided before even the trial process even starts.[/B] [editline]05:04PM[/editline] There's no "variety" in capital punishment. It's [B]life[/B] or [B]death[/B]. Simple as that.[/QUOTE] Yes, and the judge decides this, after conviction of the charges which have the death penalty as an option.

[QUOTE=Ragy;23357255]No, they say guilty or not guilty to the charges at hand. If the jury does not agree with the charges, it will be regarded as a mistrial.[/QUOTE] The police hand out the charges suitable to the crime Jury decides if they are guilty or not Officials (can't remember if it's the judge or someone else so I won't mention who) decide the punishment for the crime [highlight] Happy mother fuckers? [/highlight]

[QUOTE=Ragy;23357288]There's no "variety" in capital punishment. It's [B]life[/B] or [B]death[/B]. Simple as that.[/QUOTE] the judge can hand down different sentences you moron 25 years in prison, life with the possibility of parole, life without parole, death, etc. how hard is this to comprehend

[QUOTE=Ragy;23357288][B]And that charge is decided before even the trial process even starts.[/B] [editline]05:04PM[/editline] There's no "variety" in capital punishment. It's [B]life[/B] or [B]death[/B]. Simple as that.[/QUOTE] let me explain this very slowly. the jury decides whether the defendant is guilty or not guilty. if guilty the judge will then give the sentence. the jury does not have a say in the sentence. okay

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23357336]No it is not. The charge of "First Degree Murder" is, but not the charge and sentence of "First Degree Murder served via Execution." People convicted of first degree murder can be sentenced to execution, but the states do not require it.[/QUOTE] The judge [B]can not[/B] change a capital punishment charge after the jury has convicted the defendant. The jury bases their opinions off the charges at hand.

[QUOTE=Ragy;23357395]The judge [B]can not[/B] change a capital punishment charge after the jury has convicted the defendant. The jury bases their opinions off the charges at hand.[/QUOTE] There is no capital punishment charge before the jury convicts. The jury convicts and then the sentence is handed down. "Louisiana states that homicide in the first degree is killing of a human being with intent. There are other specific guidelines like killing a police officer or firefighter is an automatic first degree charge or intent to kill more than one person is automatically a first degree charge. In the State of Louisiana you can receive life imprisonment or the death penalty." Life Imprisonment [i]or[/i] the Death Penalty for the same charge. The sentence and the charge are two different things. Just wondering, where did you take your law courses, and what courses did you take?

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;23357389]let me explain this very slowly. the jury decides whether the defendant is guilty or not guilty. if guilty the judge will then give the sentence. the jury does not have a say in the sentence. okay[/QUOTE] Before the trial even starts, the jury [B]knows[/B] it's capital punishment case. Capital punishment cases are taken seriously, there are no secrets or changing the charge in those cases.

Everyone has rights as long as they follow the laws put forth by the government, when they break the law, they give up their rights. So what if the US government kills its own citizens, maybe if we did it more we would have a lower prison population per capita. And in any case it's pure human nature to be violent and kill one another, humans and other mammals are no different other than the fact that we're just more intelligent.

[QUOTE=Ragy;23357455]Before the trial even starts, the jury [B]knows[/B] it's capital punishment case. Capital punishment cases are taken seriously, there are no secrets or changing the charge in those cases.[/QUOTE] No they don't, they know it's possible that they might be sentenced to capital punishment, but there's no other distinction in the trial proceedings until after sentencing, where the insane appeals process happens.

[QUOTE=Combine_dumb;23357468]Everyone has rights as long as they follow the laws put forth by the government, when they break the law, they give up their rights. So what if the US government kills its own citizens, maybe if we did it more we would have a lower prison population per capita. And in any case it's pure human nature to be violent and kill one another, humans and other mammals are no different other than the fact that we're just more intelligent.[/QUOTE] we have something called due process, criminals do not lose their rights.

[QUOTE=Combine_dumb;23357468]Everyone has rights as long as they follow the laws put forth by the government, when they break the law, they give up their rights. So what if the US government kills its own citizens, maybe if we did it more we would have a lower prison population per capita. And in any case it's pure human nature to be violent and kill one another, humans and other mammals are no different other than the fact that we're just more intelligent.[/QUOTE] We're a lot more intelligent, and with our massive intelligence difference between say...chimps, we are orderly and civil.

If it's a death penalty case, the jury knows. What is so hard to understand about that? The jury knows what they're convicting the defendant of.

[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;23357504]We're a lot more intelligent, and with our massive intelligence difference between say...chimps, we are orderly and civil.[/QUOTE] Well if we were so orderly and civil then why are people still raping and killing each other?

[QUOTE=Ragy;23357533]If it's a death penalty case, the jury knows. What is so hard to understand about that?[/QUOTE] possibility of a death penalty =/= actually being sentenced to death