Taliban Says It Will Target Names Exposed by WikiLeaks
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[QUOTE=Warhol;23783068]third time:
they're not american[/QUOTE]
Just because he doesn't live in U.S. doesn't mean he is exempt from being wanted. People can be charged with crimes outside of the U.S. You aren't very smart are you?
BrickInHead and I share the exact same views and ideas. Transparency is needed for the people to create an informed opinion on the decisions of the leadership. In this case, the atrocities and blunders caused by ill-judgment that might be covered by the respective parties or leadership in order to selfishly save their own arse/name instead of admitting a mistake.
On the other hand, there are also reasons on why classified information are classified. One of the many possible reasons: protecting the safety of certain parties. Which is where WikiLeaks have blundered. They've (possibly) risked exposing unnecessary information which the public might not have need to known such as names, but could been misused by the enemy.
Trying to inform the public on things that we've should've been told of is a good thing, but releasing information that were meant to be kept secret in the first place, whether intentionally or not, WikiLeaks still has to accept their mistake. Covering it up themselves or pushing the blame to others would be incredibly hypocritical.
[Quote=imadaman][I]No killing has yet happened.etcetc[/I][/QUOTE]
Making a mistake without consequences is still making a mistake. Unfortunately, is seems really likely that the consequences here will happen. If not, good for everyone, be more careful in the future.
[QUOTE=Ragy]Every seems to be missing the big fact that releasing classified documents is still highly illegal. It may be all good for the freedom of information, but that makes it none the less illegal...[/QUOTE]
They were releasing information that shouldn't have been "illegal" in the first place. The public deserves to know of the troops' mistakes, even if it were to change their opinion on the whole war instead of it being covered up to make it seem like the army is perfect.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23783134]You aren't very smart are you?[/QUOTE]
So says Ragy the international law guru. Behold his all-knowing wisdom!
Wikileaks didn't do anything illegal, their sources did, and the aren't giving away the sources, the US government can't force them to because they are Swedish.
[QUOTE=Arkua;23783245]They were releasing information that shouldn't have been "illegal" in the first place. The public deserves to know of the troops' mistakes, even if it were to change their opinion on the whole war instead of it being covered up to make it seem like the army is perfect.[/QUOTE]
Illegal none the less. Your opinion of a law does not change the law, nor does anyone else.
If you are an American citizen. And wikileaks isn't the one at fault here, if they wanted to look for someone, look for the one who gave them the documents. And just because something is illegal, doesn't mean it's wrong.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;23783272]So says Ragy the international law guru.
Wikileaks didn't do anything illegal, their sources did, and the aren't giving away the sources, the US government can't force them to because they are Swedish.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Warhol;23783304]If you are an American citizen. And wikileaks isn't the one at fault here, if they wanted to look for someone, look for the one who gave them the documents. And just because something is illegal, doesn't mean it's wrong.[/QUOTE]
Wikileaks supported the sources, it's accessory to crime.
I never said the U.S. government could force anything. They can be wanted in the U.S., but not by the Swedish. That's why it's called being wanted.
Again since you seem to have missed it, what you think is wrong or right does not change the law.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23783134]Just because he doesn't live in U.S. doesn't mean he is exempt from being wanted. People can be charged with crimes outside of the U.S. You aren't very smart are you?[/QUOTE]
No need for name calling or questioning of intelligence. =)
Yes, they or he should be held responsible if there any slip-ups in the screening. But, lets just say if there weren't any. Is it really wrong? Were they harming anyone, besides the image of the parties that deserve it?
[QUOTE=Arkua;23783357]No need for name calling or questioning of intelligence. =)
Yes, they or he should be held responsible if there any slip-ups in the screening. But, lets just say if there weren't any. Is it really wrong? Were they harming anyone, besides the image of the parties that deserve it?[/QUOTE]
Harming anyone or not, the law is the law.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23783351]Wikileaks supported the sources, it's accessory to crime.
I never said the U.S. government could force anything. They can be wanted in the U.S., but not by the Swedish. That's why it's called being wanted.
Again since you seem to have missed it, what you think is wrong or right does not change the law.[/QUOTE]
I saw that edit. But yes, we're now pretty much on the same page here.
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[QUOTE=Ragy;23783416]Harming anyone or not, the law is the law.[/QUOTE]
And it is the law of one country. Not Sweden or any where else that might not agree to it. It doesn't harm anyone so I doubt all the countries would agree to cover-ups by the US.
[QUOTE=Arkua;23783436]And it is the law of one country. Not Sweden or any where else that might not agree to it.[/QUOTE]
That's why he is wanted in the U.S. :rolleyes:
Ragy. Nothing can happen. He can't and won't be arrested. The only thing that will happen is that Fox News will baw at him some more. That's it.
[editline]01:55PM[/editline]
Is he even wanted in the US or are you pulling that out of your ass.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;23783494]Ragy. Nothing can happen. He can't and won't be arrested. The only thing that will happen is that Fox News will baw at him some more. That's it.[/QUOTE]
No one knows what will happen. He might be deported to the U.S. or might live their for the rest of his life.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;23783494]Is he even wanted in the US or are you pulling that out of your ass.[/QUOTE]
Because releasing 90,000 classified documents is not illegal... Yes, he is wanted by the U.S.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23783480]That's why he is wanted in the U.S. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
An addition my previous post: It doesn't harm anyone so I doubt all the countries would agree to cover-ups by the US.
So, what are we arguing about again? I certainly agree that he, ah hell, even every employee of WL is charged in the US.
[QUOTE=Arkua;23783578]An addition my previous post: It doesn't harm anyone so I doubt all the countries would agree to cover-ups by the US.[/QUOTE]
Totally wrong here. The U.S. is the big kid on the block and most sane countries want to be on its good side. That's why most country's do what we say.
[QUOTE=Arkua;23783578]So, what are we arguing about again? I certainly agree that he, ah hell, even every employee of WL is charged in the US.[/QUOTE]
Every employee who knew what their actions were doing would be charged also.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23783559]
Because releasing 90,000 classified documents is not illegal... Yes, he is wanted by the U.S.[/QUOTE]
"Wikileaks is based in Sweden and is therefore subject to Swedish law. Ann Woolner wrote in an editorial in the United States-based Bloomberg publication that Wikileaks' publication of the documents is legally allowed in the United States because the group did not solicit the documents. Asking someone to leak secret information, 'with intent or reason to believe that the information to be obtained is to be used to the injury of the United States', would violate the United States' Espionage Act of 1917."
It's not happening, no matter how much you want it to.
This guy has 6 stars the fucking harriers are going to kill him fuck
[QUOTE=Arkua;23783245]Making a mistake without consequences is still making a mistake. Unfortunately, is seems really likely that the consequences here will happen. If not, good for everyone, be more careful in the future.[/QUOTE]
True, names have passed through the screening. But Wikileaks did their best. At most, you can blame US Government for not helping with the screening when requested to.
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[QUOTE=Ragy;23783559]Because releasing 90,000 classified documents is not illegal... Yes, he is wanted by the U.S.[/QUOTE]
Why is everywhere where I look the number of documents wrong?
There's 92,000 documents, with 15,000 still being censored.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;23783758]"Wikileaks is based in Sweden and is therefore subject to Swedish law. Ann Woolner wrote in an editorial in the United States-based Bloomberg publication that Wikileaks' publication of the documents is legally allowed in the United States because the group did not solicit the documents. Asking someone to leak secret information, 'with intent or reason to believe that the information to be obtained is to be used to the injury of the United States', would violate the United States' Espionage Act of 1917."
It's not happening, no matter how much you want it to.[/QUOTE]
Would be all good and dandy, but it's not being released to injure United States of America.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23783351]Wikileaks supported the sources, it's accessory to crime.
I never said the U.S. government could force anything. They can be wanted in the U.S., but not by the Swedish. That's why it's called being wanted.
Again since you seem to have missed it, what you think is wrong or right does not change the law.[/QUOTE]
I don't think Julian Assange is intending on moving to America.
Then what's your fucking point?
Freedom of speech. I'm proud that 'merica has it. And besides, if many names and documents were withheld, we don't have too much to worry about. Right?
[QUOTE=bobste;23774870]execute wikileaks founder and anyone involved in releasing the documents tia[/QUOTE]
bobste pumping out the platinum posts as usual
[editline]04:31PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ragy;23783480]That's why he is wanted in the U.S. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
he hasn't been charged with any crime.. what are you talking about?
by "wanted" I assume you mean they want to ask him some questions
[QUOTE=JETFIGHTER5;23784990]Freedom of speech. I'm proud that 'merica has it. And besides, if many names and documents were withheld, we don't have too much to worry about. Right?[/QUOTE]
Yeah we do, we all should know how tyranny and spreading fear works right? they just need one name, that man dies, anyone who knows that man dies, anyone related to that man DIES. You see a pattern? That is how causing fear in others works and will always work. The Mafia does it, gangs in the middle of black communities do it, the Taliban fucking do it. That is why I'm against this leak, because they may have combed but they could have waited and properly done it.
I don't hate Wikileaks, I hate how sloppily they did this. What they're doing is morally correct but the way then went about this was half assed. It was even more half assed when they asked the US government for help, the same people they stole the papers from in the first fucking place!
Anyone with half a brain knew the government would not assist in censoring the documents, that's just fucking retarded.
Wikileaks is causing more trouble than I expected. I agree with their cause but too many people are now getting hurt.
[QUOTE=Regulas021;23786771]Anyone with half a brain knew the government would not assist in censoring the documents, that's just fucking retarded.[/QUOTE]
Yes, the Government would not help saving lives, that's just fucking retarded. :downs:
according to ragy it doesn't matter what's right or wrong THE LAW IS THE LAW
i bet you would have supported burning witches because it used to be illegal to be a witch, after all it was the LAW.
[editline]05:52PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Akasolidus;23786800]Wikileaks is causing more trouble than I expected. I agree with their cause but too many people are now getting hurt.[/QUOTE]
no one's gotten hurt.
[QUOTE=imadaman;23786833]Yes, the Government would not help saving lives, that's just fucking retarded. :downs:[/QUOTE]
You can't fucking say they're saving lives! These documents will also end lives. NO ONE WINS, so many people are vaulting this as a win for free speech but you've effectively done is cut off the Afghan people's right to speech by SCARING THE SHIT OUT OF THEM.
And someone will get hurt, mark my words.
[QUOTE=Akasolidus;23786800]Wikileaks is causing more trouble than I expected. I agree with their cause but too many people are now getting hurt.[/QUOTE]
no one has gotten hurt because of wikileaks
[QUOTE=Warhol;23787017]no one has gotten hurt because of wikileaks[/QUOTE]
There is a big fucking [B]yet[/B] in there.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;23767125]I'm perfectly sensible. Anyone who thinks that complete transparency in government is a good thing is out of their mind. And, the releasing of 92,000 documents doesn't justify the death of even one person.
I'm [b]a liberal activist[/b], and the second that you do anything that puts [I]anyone [/I]in physical danger you've overstepped your bounds, no matter how righteous the cause. This is completely irresponsible on his part.
Take it from the position had this happened in your own country (if you're an american); the DEA has an undercover inside a cocaine drug ring. During his time, he killed rival dealers. Some journalist comes along and puts his name in the paper (citing the fact that he's committing crime as a member of the Federal government) and he's killed. Is anything gained?[/QUOTE]
:colbert:
[editline]10:09PM[/editline]
Shut down WikiLeaks.
Kill everyone involved in leaking of the classfied material.
Send special forces teams to search and destroy the documents.
End result is you save 1,000's of lives while sacrifing the stupid fucks who just harass,torture,rape,murder the innocent globally.
Liberal's dont understand. No matter what you do and how you do it. It will piss someone off, kill someone or hurt them.
[QUOTE=Swilly;23786946]You can't fucking say they're saving lives! These documents will also end lives. NO ONE WINS, so many people are vaulting this as a win for free speech but you've effectively done is cut off the Afghan people's right to speech by SCARING THE SHIT OUT OF THEM.
And someone will get hurt, mark my words.[/QUOTE]
The Government could have helped to prevent the loss of lives caused by the documents, here's a newsflash [highlight]they chose to ignore the request and deny that it happened[/highlight]
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