"War On Drugs Has Failed". says former heads of M15, CPS, BBC
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Drugs aren't necessarily good, but you can't stop people from taking drugs.. unless you figure out how to cure [b]pain[/b], so drugs aren't necessarily bad either..
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;28741340]Drugs aren't necessarily good, but you can't stop people from taking drugs.. unless you figure out how to cure [b]pain[/b], so drugs aren't necessarily bad either..[/QUOTE]
I think curing all pain would be bad for humanity
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28741366]I think curing all pain would be bad for humanity[/QUOTE]
yeah well no ones expecting to.. but there's a lot of kinda pain one can feel, and many drugs seem like an ideal choice to numb the pain.
so that's why drugs are good, but the emptiness that follows. it's not good.
[QUOTE=s0beit;28735975]No. If you haven't noticed drugs are fairly simple to make and if taxed heavily enough, won't end up like cigarettes. They'll just make their own damn drugs and sell it, effectively solving nothing.[/QUOTE]
Which (illegal) drugs are easier to make than beer?
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;28741590]yeah well no ones expecting to.. but there's a lot of kinda pain one can feel, and many drugs seem like an ideal choice to numb the pain.
so that's why drugs are good, but the emptiness that follows. it's not good.[/QUOTE]
don't talk about drug use and abuse like you know anything about it
legalize drugs.
In theory, it would cause all the drug lords to lose a huge profit causing them to go bankrupt since drugs are easily available now.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;28734424]The hard drugs should be taxed heavily, and that tax money diverted into government schemes that help addicts who want to quit.
(there's probably a massive flaw in this idea, I'm not good at economics)[/QUOTE]
The problem is that poor people who want drugs won't be able to afford it legally because of the heavy tax. There'll still be dealers who'll find ways of getting it for cheap and selling it for cheap. Even the rich may attempt to find cheaper sources, unless there's still a crackdown on that, in which case the war on druglords continues.
Before we all jump on the legalize everything and then tax it, we should probably be doing studies on who uses what types of drugs and income distributions. Although that'll be hard with the social stigma now, it'll at least give us a better view of the socioeconomic status of drug users.
Now if you sell them for cheap, you'll undercut drug lords so they'll lose profit, but at the risk of the easy access to hard drugs for everyone, including people underage (unless you actually do legalize it for everyone). In this case it'll be similar to alcohol now, except depending on the drug, could cause more/less harm.
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;28741678]Which (illegal) drugs are easier to make than beer?[/QUOTE]
Cannabis? Sure it requires a bit of attention and takes time to grow but you don't have to put it through a fermentation process.
Also, coca leaves :P
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;28743768]Cannabis? Sure it requires a bit of attention and takes time to grow but you don't have to put it through a fermentation process./QUOTE]
There's some minor processing involved - you can't just take the buds off the plant and smoke them. Trust me, I've tried.
What makes you think the government putting a heavy tax on drugs would make it more expensive than now? They could manufacture it for much, much cheaper.
The problem is not manufacturing, its selling. It all depends on how much they sell/tax it. The buyers don't care how cheap manufacturing is, if its made expensive or if there's a high tax to buy then they'll look for alternative sources. If its cheap then there's a fairly high chance of abuse, considering the amount of underage drinking there is I feel it'll turn out similarly. There's just a thin line (of coke) that the government would have to walk if they want it to work. Maybe they should put the extra funds into better drug awareness programs.
Yes, i think they could tax the fuck out of it and still undercut the dealers.
Marijuana > Tobacco.
They should make them switch places.
I hate being on the other side of this argument here on Facepunch. I'm fine with Marijuana but everything else, not so much.
[QUOTE=Swilly;28744912]I hate being on the other side of this argument here on Facepunch. I'm fine with Marijuana but everything else, not so much.[/QUOTE]
Keeping those other drugs illegal doesn't actually [i]do[/i] anything.
People still get hard drugs, people still use hard drugs, black markets still exists.
Give me one good reason the others should stay illegal over weed besides the token "It's more harmful!", because even if that's true it doesn't seem to matter to people. They still use them and it is all still readily available.
If you don't want to use them that's fine, but don't condemn people you don't know to jail just because they made a mistake you find stupid.
making weed legal would reduce the need for those drugs, and the people who do coke and heroin and shit like that will die anyway so just fucking let em
if they dont want help, tough shit
[QUOTE=Moose;28745165]making weed legal would reduce the need for those drugs[/QUOTE]
[citation needed]
Weed is more available than all of those other drugs on the black market. Don't just make shit up.
[QUOTE=Moose;28745165]and the people who do coke and heroin and shit like that will die anyway so just fucking let em[/QUOTE]
In your incredibly stupid statement there is a nugget of truth to be found, people won't stop doing drugs just because you offer them help programs or just because you put them in prison. People have to want to quit doing drugs, I'm not saying making them legal will solve anything to that end, only that it will eliminate the black market which causes problems [i]for the rest of society[/i].
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;28741590]yeah well no ones expecting to.. but there's a lot of kinda pain one can feel, and many drugs seem like an ideal choice to numb the pain.
so that's why drugs are good, but the emptiness that follows. it's not good.[/QUOTE]
Have you ever taken drugs? I never have, but I can sure as hell tell that you don't exactly do it regularly either.
Oh and, ahrd drugs and marijuana don't really go in the same category, since marijuana causes no danger to anyone. I do have to find myself on a bit of a disagreeing side about ahrd drugs here, sicne someone who takes hard drugs might be a danger to others. One could say that then you'll just sue them for damages, but it's a bit hard to sue if someone eats you alive(talking PCP here). To be honest though, alcohol can have kind of a similar effect.. Ahh, I don't know. Hard drugs are jsut a bit more complicated.
the war on drugs was never meant to be won. It was meant to keep people from taking alternatives to pharmaceuticals, keep hemp from being used industrially and to give the people who could have lost their jobs after prohibition ended something to do. That and to keep down those anti-war hippies who hate America.
[QUOTE=SM0K3 B4N4N4;28746254]the war on drugs was never meant to be won. It was meant to keep people from taking alternatives to pharmaceuticals, keep hemp from being used industrially and to give the people who could have lost their jobs after prohibition ended something to do. That and to keep down those anti-war hippies who hate America.[/QUOTE]
that's why we call it Marijuana, not cannabis. It's a mexican/spanish name for it, which plays on racisms(at the time and even now) against latin americans in the us
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[QUOTE=Spetzaz;28744626]Marijuana > Tobacco.
They should make them switch places.[/QUOTE]
tobacco at least doesn't impair you at all
[QUOTE=Treybuchet;28751100]tobacco at least doesn't impair you at all[/QUOTE]
What would you say lung cancer does then?
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And these people seem pretty impaired;
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7_B-9OyZls[/media]
[QUOTE=Spetzaz;28751246]What would you say lung cancer does then?
[editline]22nd March 2011[/editline]
And these people seem pretty impaired;
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7_B-9OyZls[/media][/QUOTE]
He meant in the short term.
Tell me the next time someone crashes their car because they've been smoking cigarettes.
This ALWAYS fucking happens
You have people running for office who promise to take stances on different issues and make changes about them that most people favor
You have people in office who pretend to take stances on different issues and make changes on things nobody gives a shit about
And as SOON as those people leave office, they bitch about all of the things they "could have done" in office.
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT
And it took them this long to figure out that the war on drugs is a fucking joke and a waste of government spending? Didn't they learn with prohibition? Just give people their fucking weed and let them learn from over-use and shit.
God fucking DAMN this stuff makes me rage so hard.
[QUOTE=DSG;28756561]This ALWAYS fucking happens
You have people running for office who promise to take stances on different issues and make changes about them that most people favor
You have people in office who pretend to take stances on different issues and make changes on things nobody gives a shit about
And as SOON as those people leave office, they bitch about all of the things they "could have done" in office.
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT
And it took them this long to figure out that the war on drugs is a fucking joke and a waste of government spending? Didn't they learn with prohibition? Just give people their fucking weed and let them learn from over-use and shit.
God fucking DAMN this stuff makes me rage so hard.[/QUOTE]
People want to be re-elected. It's a big flaw in any system. Once they have no chance of that, because they're retired or whatever, they can say whatever the hell they want.
[editline]22nd March 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Bobv2;28756681]De-fund gangs.[/QUOTE]
I do believe that goes under "reduce crime".
there is no "war on drugs" if we wanted to stop all the cartels in Mexico we'd rev up our troops and assist the Mexican officials that can be trusted, instead we sit back and try to change the subject everytime it comes up
It can't fail if it was never succeeding in the first place.
[QUOTE=Upgrade123;28758514]It can't fail if it was never succeeding in the first place.[/QUOTE]
that doesn't make sense
if i throw a ball at a basket and miss it's still a failed attempt
[QUOTE=JerryK;28758623]that doesn't make sense
if i throw a ball at a basket and miss it's still a failed attempt[/QUOTE]
your analogy works as in, the drug war is a throw that missed the basket by a mile in both practice, and in ideology, then sure.
Marihuana influenced negroes to look at white people in the eye, step on white men’s shadows, and look at a white woman twice. Marihuana is the most violent drug in the history of mankind, is more dangerous than heroin or cocaine, and possesses white women to tap their feet!
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