• Elon Musk to unveil the Hyperloop at 1:30 PDT
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[QUOTE=Political Gamer;41815606]Well I am quite dissapointed. The price feels really lowballed, especially for something that doesn't even have a test track. Also if you look at the map it doesn't even go to downtown LA, skipping a massive amount of transit connections. But my biggest problem comes down to capacity. Sure a 35 minute trip with a train every 2 minutes sounds good on paper but with only 28 people per car that means this thing can only move a measly 840 people per hour. For example the UK's HS2 will be pushing 26,000 people per hour, over 30 times the capacity. If Musk can revise the plans to address longer trains bringing the PPH up to more reasonable standards then I would concede that this is a challenger to CHSRA but for now it's a literal unfunded pipedream.[/QUOTE] 840 people is when a capsule leaves every 2 minutes. At peak operating capacity, which is a capsule every 30 seconds, it's 3360 people/hour.
It also goes 3 times faster than the HS2, and you don't have to wait at a train station.
[QUOTE=Angus725;41815647]840 people is when a capsule leaves every 2 minutes. At peak operating capacity, which is a capsule every 30 seconds, it's 3360 people/hour.[/QUOTE]Uh no, 28 people per car, car ever 2 minutes, 30 cars per hour, 840 people per hour. Even if your number was correct it's still far smaller than a conventional HSR system. [editline]12th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=OvB;41815669]It also goes 3 times faster than the HS2, and you don't have to wait at a train station.[/QUOTE]Speed doesn't mean shit if it can't move people. Transit is not someone's plaything, it's about moving as many people as possible, efficiently as possible, even if that means things are slower than that they theoretically could be.
[QUOTE=OvB;41815669]It also goes 3 times faster than the HS2, and you don't have to wait at a train station.[/QUOTE] It'll still SOMEHOW be late if it's in England. that's just the effect England has on trains
[QUOTE=Political Gamer;41815690]Uh no, 28 people per car, car ever 2 minutes, 30 cars per hour, 840 people per hour. Even if your number was correct it's still far smaller than a conventional HSR system. [editline]12th August 2013[/editline] Speed doesn't mean shit if it can't move people. Transit is not someone's plaything, it's about moving as many people as possible, efficiently as possible, even if that means things are slower than that they theoretically could be.[/QUOTE] But it's far faster, far cheaper, weather-proof, and it accommodates the inter-city capacity.
[QUOTE=Political Gamer;41815690]Uh no, 28 people per car, car ever 2 minutes, 30 cars per hour, 840 people per hour. Even if your number was correct it's still far smaller than a conventional HSR system. [editline]12th August 2013[/editline] Speed doesn't mean shit if it can't move people. Transit is not someone's plaything, it's about moving as many people as possible, efficiently as possible, even if that means things are slower than that they theoretically could be.[/QUOTE] Either you didn't read the 2nd sentence of my post, or you didn't really read the .pdf to any detail. High speed rail also costs ~9x more if estimates are correct; if you were to spend the same money on 9 of these hyperloops, you'd have much more capacity.
[QUOTE=Angus725;41815738]Either you didn't read the 2nd sentence of my post, or you didn't really read the .pdf to any detail. High speed rail also costs ~9x more if estimates are correct; if you were to spend the same money on 9 of these hyperloops, you'd have much more capacity.[/QUOTE]Fine I misread the main document but HS2 is still more efficient, now only 8~ times more. Also that's a lovely big [i]if[/i] you got there, keep in mind we still have no test track, no scale model, just a few very easily to manipulate numbers. Until I see one of these running full scale in real life I will still have reservations that the price is legitimate.
Well of course the only way to know if any of this is going to work is to build a test article but this release shows that its actually theoretical doable and not just a [I]"hey I had an idea for..."[/I] dream. We just need to get some billionaires to invest in it and we'll get it done.
[QUOTE=OvB;41815862]Well of course the only way to know if any of this is going to work is to build a test article but this release shows that its actually theoretical doable and not just a [I]"hey I had an idea for..."[/I] dream. We just need to get some billionaires to invest in it and we'll get it done.[/QUOTE]Oh I ain't saying it can't be done just that people are romanticizing the speed/price while ignoring any problems. Also after doing a bit more research I have come to the conclusion that Musk is pulling that 9-10 billion total out of his ass. 25 million per mile for viaducts and 50 million per mile for tunnels, most modern Light Rail lines cost 3-4 times more than that.
I'm cautiously optimistic about the price. (The total cost was $7.5 Billion for the bigger version, btw)
There's not a chance this is attainable for anything close to this price.
I so want this to replace trains all over the world. Imagine being able to visit distant relatives in mere minutes and/or seconds. Also if this project is successful I'm going to buy a flight to Los Angeles just to get a ride in it. [editline]dicks[/editline] okay perhaps maybe it shouldn't [I]replace [/I]trains but I hope this method of transport is adopted throughout the globe instead of specific places.
I hope they build one between my house and the nearest useful one so I can hyperloop until the cows come home
[QUOTE=Zeke129;41816471]I hope they build one between my house and the nearest useful one so I can hyperloop until the cows come home[/QUOTE] I hope they build one from my house to my university. I live two hours away from my university.
this is incredibly cool and stuff but I kinda hope it never goes through in my lifetime. Cause if it does then I'm out of a job
[QUOTE=God of Ashes;41817587]this is incredibly cool and stuff but I kinda hope it never goes through in my lifetime. Cause if it does then I'm out of a job[/QUOTE] are you a train?
no I'm a pilot. And if this thing is safe, affordable and effective then who in their rig mind would take an airplane anywhere
[QUOTE=God of Ashes;41817874]no I'm a pilot. And if this thing is safe, affordable and effective then who in their rig mind would take an airplane anywhere[/QUOTE] most people who don't live near hyperloop systems as they're a short distance solution?
[QUOTE=God of Ashes;41817874]no I'm a pilot. And if this thing is safe, affordable and effective then who in their rig mind would take an airplane anywhere[/QUOTE] There will always be a need for planes. Elon says in the pdf that past a certain distance supersonic jets would be better than a hyperloop, but the loop is good for close metropolitan areas like California, the east coast, or the Texas Triangle.
[QUOTE=God of Ashes;41817874]no I'm a pilot. And if this thing is safe, affordable and effective then who in their rig mind would take an airplane anywhere[/QUOTE] The article explicitly mentions that beyond a thousand miles or so, the Hyperloop would become too expensive, both in operation and ticket cost, than a ride in an airplane. Also, you couldn't move heavy cargo using the Hyperloop, and then there's the sort of people who love their private jets and such, so airplanes would still be a very viable option. [editline]12th August 2013[/editline] In addition, this would be a thing for developed countries. There's no way that poorer nations could afford this, so again, airplanes would still be needed.
I want to invest in Elon Musk. [editline]12th August 2013[/editline] Like really, how do I make that happen?
I always thought 'Elon Musk' was a men's fragrance.
[QUOTE=CrimsonChin;41818085]I always thought 'Elon Musk' was a men's fragrance.[/QUOTE] [I]Musk of Musk[/I]
[QUOTE=Morcam;41816419]There's not a chance this is attainable for anything close to this price.[/QUOTE]That's what they said about both Tesla and SpaceX, look at the prices of both of their products now
He mentions an emergency brake but how does an object going 800mph stop and not destory everyone inside.
very carefully
[QUOTE=sYnced;41820288]He mentions an emergency brake but how does an object going 800mph stop and not destory everyone inside.[/QUOTE] Slowly, I guess. Otherwise the guy sitting in front of you would get the back of his head decorated with your eyeballs.
I wonder if this system could be built underground, linking cities a larger distance apart. That would probably jack up the price, but it would eliminate the land usage issue. Anyone want to take a dwarfy underground fun ride from Chicago to New York at 800mph?[QUOTE=OvB;41815375]You could say that about any mode of transport.[/QUOTE]NUH UH. Cars are more like death [i]wrecktangles.[/i]
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;41820803]I wonder if this system could be built underground, linking cities a larger distance apart. That would probably jack up the price, but it would eliminate the land usage issue. Anyone want to take a dwarfy underground fun ride from Chicago to New York at 800mph?NUH UH. Cars are more like death [i]wrecktangles.[/i][/QUOTE]Making it underground would make it more prone to ground movement and earthquakes
[QUOTE=dije;41820823]Making it underground would make it more prone to ground movement and earthquakes[/QUOTE]Well, yeah, I wouldn't suggest it for a state like California, but in the Midwest there's hardly any ground movement, and I'm sure something can be successfully engineered. The real question is cost, and is it really worth it?
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