David Hayter confirms for the trillionth time that he is NOT in Metal Gear Solid V. - Polidicks

It's all a Kojima ruse. He is in MGS5. If it really is true then we can mod his voice into the PC version.

I have hope that he is in the game and the reason they got a new VA for Big Boss is because Big Boss and Solid Snake will meet at some point in the game and if Hayter voiced both that'd be fucking confusing. He'll be sorry that he kept us waiting.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;45599514]I like Keifer Sutherland as Big Boss, he fits the type pretty well..[/QUOTE] Keifer Sutherland sounds nothing like big boss. He doesn't even make an effort to try and sound like him. If you listen to his voice at the end of MGS5 you will find out that his voice sounds unoriginal and nothing like BB. BB is supposed to have somewhat of a gritty and hoarse voice.

If anything, why not get Doyle, who played old Big Boss, or Cygan, who played Big Bosses perfect clone and who's voice sounds like Doyle with Hayters grit.

He will always be the definitive voice of Snake but he's had 4 very very good games doing the job.....and they will forever be my favourite games and very fond memories and it's time to move on.

[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;45599731]No he doesn't, he mainly just does one unified "Snake" voice now. He's not a professional VA and so naturally his performance has changed over the years. Take the Digital Graphic Novel for example, this doesn't sound like MGS1 Snake and there's no reason why he shouldn't have gone for the same voice. Sure he can vary it up a little depending on what he's going for, but nowadays there's a lot more growl to it. In a recent interview (I've forgotten the source) he claimed back in the day the voice came from his chest, it was tiring and difficult to do. After some lessons he produced it from his throat, that's why he's so much more rumbly and growly nowadays. (I realise this post is similar to one I recently made in the MGS thread but it's the same point. If you've got any recent video/audio of him doing the MGS1 voice, please prove me wrong because I'd be happy to find he's more capable than I think.)[/QUOTE] Actually, in a recent podcast interview I heard him do his older Snake voice and it sounds pretty good. I'm pretty sure I'm thinking of the exact same interview you're talking about, because in the interview I'm thinking of he gives the same reason for why his voice sounds different now (physical fatigue). Maybe he just keeps repeating that story in every interview, I dunno. Wish I could remember the source of the interview. Either way, I don't agree with the "Hayter can't do it anymore" or "Hayter's too hammy" or "Hayter's just bad, always has been" crap people keep coming up with to defend dumping Hayter. It has nothing to do with anything like that. It's not as deep or reasonable as you think. Kojima himself has said that Sutherland was suggested by Avi Arad, who is close friends with Kojima now that he's making the MGS movie. Kojima just went with the advice from his Hollywood director friend so that his game would be cooler and more movie-like. He sure did like showing off the praise he got from other Hollywood directors after the E3 trailer came out. I think spekter put it best: [QUOTE=spekter;45599485]Avi Arad just brainwashed Kojimmer into casting some big Hollywood star. That's literally all it is.[/QUOTE] [editline]get a load of this fuckin guy[/editline] Found it: [url]http://joypadandme.com/2014/04/02/podcast-episode-50-metal-gear-podcast-featuring-david-hayter/[/url] It's really long so it's gonna take another long listen-through before I can give you good timestamp examples of what I'm talking about, but it's in there.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;45600768]If anything, why not get Doyle, who played old Big Boss, [B]or Cygan, who played Big Bosses perfect clone[/B] and who's voice sounds like Doyle with Hayters grit.[/QUOTE] I've never got this argument, voices are mostly determined by our upbringing and not genetics.

[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;45600958]I've never got this argument, voices are mostly determined by our upbringing and not genetics.[/QUOTE] Evidently not in Metal Gear.

[QUOTE=Shugo;45600903]Actually, in a recent podcast interview I heard him do his older Snake voice and it sounds pretty good. I'm pretty sure I'm thinking of the exact same interview you're talking about, because in the interview I'm thinking of he gives the same reason for why his voice sounds different now (physical fatigue). Maybe he just keeps repeating that story in every interview, I dunno. Wish I could remember the source of the interview. Either way, I don't agree with the "Hayter can't do it anymore" or "Hayter's too hammy" or "Hayter's just bad, always has been" crap people keep coming up with to defend dumping Hayter. It has nothing to do with anything like that. It's not as deep or reasonable as you think. Kojima himself has said that Sutherland was suggested by Avi Arad, who is close friends with Kojima now that he's making the MGS movie. Kojima just went with the advice from his Hollywood director friend so that his game would be cooler and more movie-like. He sure did like showing off the praise he got from other Hollywood directors after the E3 trailer came out. I think spekter put it best:[/QUOTE] I think it's a bit of both really. Although I love Hayter and would much rather have him in the lead role, he's not a professional VA and his delivery has altered over the years. So when going for a full, Hollywood-like mocapped performance it must have been an easy choice for the man obsessed with Hollywood to choose between Hayter and a Hollywood star. [editline]5th August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=AaronM202;45600966]Evidently not in Metal Gear.[/QUOTE] If you mean with Hayter playing Big Boss then I'm pretty sure they just wanted "Snake" in the lead role again, which is why they renamed Big Boss to Snake and brought back Hayter. People know "Snake" as the posterboy for MGS, hence all the excuses to make Big Boss use the name for as long as possible.

[QUOTE=spekter;45599485]Avi Arad just brainwashed Kojimmer into casting some big Hollywood star. That's literally all it is.[/QUOTE] Hit the nail on the head, especially since no one else was replaced, and the Japanese actor is the same. It's just someone suggested to Kojima to drop Hayter for a big name. It has nothing to do with the gravity of the game. I mean for fuck's sake Robert Atkin Downes is still hamming it up hardcore as Kaz.

[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;45601002]I think it's a bit of both really. Although I love Hayter and would much rather have him in the lead role, he's not a professional VA and his delivery has altered over the years. So when going for a full, Hollywood-like mocapped performance it must have been an easy choice for the man obsessed with Hollywood to choose between Hayter and a Hollywood star.[/QUOTE] Why do people keep saying he's not a professional voice actor? Hayter's had voice acting AND live-action acting roles since the early 90's, even before MGS. Acting is his original career; he didn't pick up writing until 2000. Metal Gear Solid 1 was just another voice acting job that ended up making him the star of a long, popular video game series. Which really hurts the mo-cap argument. Hayter wouldn't have any problem doing professional facial capture. And Otsuka, who's only a voice actor, certainly doesn't have any problems doing it in the Japanese version. I'll agree that to Hollywood-obsessed Kojima it was an easy choice, though. I just don't believe Hayter was replaced due to any particular flaw with Hayter. He was replaced solely due to Sutherland's Hollywood-actor status. Nothing more.

[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;45599345]I don't want any more Metal Gear [I]Solid [/I]games, maybe not even with Kojima either, the franchise has so much more to offer other than the Snake saga, Rising was amazing[/QUOTE] Sort of agreeable. I want Kojima to remake MG1 and 2 in next gen glory, and not be done with Solid Snake this early. MAYBE even make a game with a story between 2 and 4. And I've said this a few times already... I want what Metal Gear Rising was supposed to be... The story of how Raiden rescued Sunny and got turned into a cyborg by the Patriots. Maybe with gameplay close to what we saw on the first bits of the Rising alpha trailer, or something almost completely different. I'd guess it wouldn't make sense that he'd be a complete cyborg THAT early into the timeline, right? [editline]5th August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;45600530]i hid this uncomfortable box of cigarettes up my ass for two years[/QUOTE] "Metal.... GEAR! is here, RIGHT in this, big hangar... Otacon... HOW do we stop, it...?" "Now... Look here... I'm NOT your brother.... Liquid..." [editline]5th August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=AaronM202;45600768]If anything, why not get Doyle, who played old Big Boss, or Cygan, who played Big Bosses perfect clone and who's voice sounds like Doyle with Hayters grit.[/QUOTE] Not like I don't like Kiefer's acting, but this would have made so much more sense. And Cygan was pretty cool aswell. The 3 Snakes all had pretty good voice actors. (BB not accounted for because he was a salty ham)

[QUOTE=Shugo;45601094]Why do people keep saying he's not a professional voice actor? Hayter's had voice acting AND live-action acting roles since the early 90's, even before MGS. Acting is his original career; he didn't pick up writing until 2000. Metal Gear Solid 1 was just another voice acting job that ended up making him the star of a long, popular video game series. Which really hurts the mo-cap argument. Hayter wouldn't have any problem doing professional facial capture. And Otsuka, who's only a voice actor, certainly doesn't have any problems doing it in the Japanese version. I'll agree that to Hollywood-obsessed Kojima it was an easy choice, though. I just don't believe Hayter was replaced due to any particular flaw with Hayter. He was replaced solely due to Sutherland's Hollywood-actor status. Nothing more.[/QUOTE] I recall him saying writing is his main trade and voice acting being something he does for fun. He pretty much just does his regular voice and his Snake voice when it comes down to it (though I must admit he made a great Captain America). As for live action, I can't say his role as the replacement lead in the direct-to-video sequel Guyver: Dark Hero acts as testament to his great acting career.

tbh i'm not impressed with Keifer so far

everyone that talks shit forgets that we are diamond dogs [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g03cfetuwg[/media] 4:45

There have been 3 entire games to define Big Boss' voice and character, and you can like Keifer Sutherland all you want, but he [B]just fucking isn't snake[/B]. Sure the demeanor can be explained, and sure it could be because Kojima wants to make sure everyone understand that the Naked Snake we knew in MGS3 was a long time ago, etc etc, but the voice isn't even close. Of course people are agitated. It's jarring. MGS fans play 5 maybe 6 entire games with the same voice actor that defined the entire character and then bam, typecasted Hollywood voice actor.