[QUOTE=goon165;44309809]No it's perfectly necessary, and they kinda DID just waltz the fuck in and flipped off Ukraine and everyone else in the civilized world with a "what are you gonna do about it?"
Sanctions, diplomatic isolation and spooling up NATO is what we're gonna do about it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, because the Crimean/Ukrainian populous was totally happy with their current government (who some have suggested was fast becoming Fascist-centric). Because the people of Crimea totally revolted against the Russians moving into the area.
I'm not saying what Russia did was right, but there is a LOT more to this story than 90% of people are making bold judgements on. Especially us Americans. It's like, because Russia was an old enemy, we have to continue to berate and control them on every level possible.
Let Russia and the Ukraine deal with their own problems. If all of a sudden the Russian Government goes in and starts to genocidally take out the Ukrainians, then we should intervene. If the Crimean province was completely (both Government and citizens) against Russian occupation/control, then maybe there should be something done about it. But fact of the matter is, The Ukraine wasn't doing that great of a job running things, their government is falling deeper and deeper into corruption, the Russian government has ALWAYS seen the Ukraine as a part of its own territory, and quite frankly?
It's none of our fucking business.
BUT thats just me, and I clearly don't have an internet's degree in international politics like so many of you here.
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Though, as an American, I am somewhat concerned over the fact that the U.S. has been staging tactical military exercises all over the globe. Not only with close allies, but those who are the enemy to our own. (I guess the "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" rings true here.) I can't help but feel like we're approaching some big International conflict. Maybe with the Russians... who know's until its here..
[QUOTE=joes33431;44313868]poland absolutely hated soviet control. the nation was like 95% catholic at one point, and moscow refused to let the pope visit.
and there's also the part where stalin and hitler made a secret agreement to split up poland on the terms of non-aggression toward one another in 1939, which led to the rape and murder of thousands of poles at the hands of the red army.[/QUOTE]
Romania always showed the middle finger to Russia even if we were in the Warsaw Pact. Russia invaded Hungary when the revolution happened, we just stood away and looked on, even if we were on the border with Hungary and could've easily fucked with them. When Czechoslovakia got invaded, not only did we not participate, but we also blamed Russia for abusing it's power.
I heard the Russians got so pissed after that that some commanders were considering invading us to "teach us a lesson". But Ceausescu made the army too powerful so the Russians would've had a real war, compared with the other two countries.
Romanians hate the Russian state, basically. They fucked us too much along the history (also reason why we joined WW2 on the nazi side, just to fuck with Russia)
[QUOTE=ionuttzu;44314687] (also reason why we joined WW2 on the nazi side, just to fuck with Russia)[/QUOTE]
(If I'm wrong, smack me, I don't want to be be)
Isn't it also because of the Soviet annexation of Bessarabia? Basically said "Give us the territory or we're at war".
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;44314872](If I'm wrong, smack me, I don't want to be be)
Isn't it also because of the Soviet annexation of Bessarabia? Basically said "Give us the territory or we're at war".[/QUOTE]
Exactly, here's a video I found
[video=youtube;B3hiSA6LciI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3hiSA6LciI[/video]
Marshall Antonescu (leader of Romania then) says in the first seconds his famed order "Romanian soldiers, I order you to pass the Prut river (the river between Romania and the Republic of Moldova) and to crush our foes from the East. To free our oppressed brothers from the clutches of bolshevism etc". Also at 1:45 citizens dancing the Union Hora ( a dance made when all the principalities of Romania united) to celebrate that we're gonna unite with Moldova again.
That was the main reason, yes. But also Russia abandoned us in WW1 and stole our treasury that we entrusted to their Tzar, they didn't return it to us even today. And in the War of Independence (Russo-Turkish war, in which we played a big role), the russians tried to steal territory from us after they finished the Turks.
[QUOTE=Melnek;44309743]All these knee-jerk reactions are so unnecessary, it's ridiculous.
It'd be a different matter if Russia just waltzed into Ukraine for no reason, but it didn't. It waltzed into Ukraine after the country had been through a series of long, several month-old riots that swept through the country and were then followed by a violent governmental change.
Unless any of the states neighboring Russia are planning coups against their respective governments, Russia won't be invading anyone.[/QUOTE]
Things like this aren't always for the show of high level political leaders in different countries. It's a show of the peoples in those countries, whom probably are too ignorant in their fear to be as high and mightily knowledged of the situation as you, that their governments are doing [I]something[/I], if even just putting on a show.
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