• Church plans Quran-burning event
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Well not on topic but: Not respecting people's belief surely isn't a good thing, what makes you so sure your beliefs are fact? Scientific research? If you believe in scientifical research then you should know that nothing is final and everything can be questioned and possibly proven wrong (and I'm atheist). Back on topic: Well this should really show that idiocy isn't determined by nationality, religion or skin colour (not that it needed proof).
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;23785275][B]Respect requires admiration to some degree[/B], I have no admiration for the deluded and plan to keep it that way, thanks.[/QUOTE] not at all.
[QUOTE=DrBreen;23780251]Religion doesn't answer anything there is no afterlife You just die, you have to return your body to nature sometime, i believe people that want to live forever, they aren't stupid or anything, living forever is just an unreal dream, if you trully want to make This World, a better place you have to forget religion, there is no reason for existance, every atom on your body comes from primordial exploding stars, everything in nature is connected somehow, there is a balance.[/QUOTE] Go die and get back to me.
[QUOTE=JDK721;23785252]let people believe in a God if they want why do you give a shit?[/QUOTE] When a large portion of religious people in your country are fundamentalists and evangelicals yes it is a problem.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;23778260]A religion of the Devil that worships the same God.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;23785354]When a large portion of religious people in your country are fundamentalists and evangelicals yes it is a problem.[/QUOTE] If they try and push their beliefs on you it isn't a problem with religion, it's a problem with the people. If they were Atheist and you were Christian they would still try to push their belief on you. And all this "religion causes wars" isn't true, for the high-ups (those that do decide to start those wars) religion is only a tool and an excuse. Had it not been religion it would have been something else (patriotism for example, anything really).
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;23783849]Apparently fuckin' not.[/QUOTE] it is my experience that churches that claim to be non-denominational are some of the most fundamentalist you'll find.
It isn't the belief pushing on me, it's their influence in government that shouldn't exist, it's shit like this and the WBC and Prop 8, fundamentalism should not exist in this day and age.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;23785354]When a large portion of religious people in your country are fundamentalists and evangelicals yes it is a problem.[/QUOTE] Lets just remove the right to free religion and start going commencing clean sweeps of mosques, synagogues, buddhist temples, and churches. Sorry, but I don't think that the rest of the people in the United States that holds a belief in a deity would approve of this.
It's the responsibility of the church to prevent increases in fundamentalism, something they never have and never will do.
[QUOTE=Warhol;23785312]not at all.[/QUOTE] What definition are you using? [QUOTE=http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/view/entry/m_en_gb0704190#m_en_gb0704190] 1 [mass noun] a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements: the director had a lot of respect for Douglas as an actor the state of being admired or respected: his first chance in over fifteen years to regain respect in the business (respects) a person's polite greetings: give my respects to their Excellencies informalused to express the speaker's approval of someone or something: respect to Hill for a truly non-superficial piece on the techno scene 2 due regard for the feelings, wishes, or rights of others: young people's lack of respect for their parents 3 a particular aspect, point , or detail: the government's record in this respect is a mixed one[/QUOTE] If you mean as similar to number 2 in this list, I do respect that others should be allowed to think and practice what they like however I do not not respect what they actually do, only their so-called 'right' to choose to do it. To elaborate, I refuse to respect anti-human life-hating religious views that go completely against my own values. Sure, I respect the 'right' to form such views but not the views themselves or the actions that result from them. Nope, I don't believe in rights either. I see rights as a bit of an iffy term that appears to be implying that they are handed down from a higher power so must be followed. I prefer to see them as privileges that can be withdrawn depending on the laws and regulations in place in your area of residence. There is no such thing as a right, else it wouldn't be able to be withdrawn anywhere and would be enforced everywhere by the source of it.
[QUOTE=TheLittleBus;23779009]Oh boy! Another teenage boy who's read Fight Club! I'm an atheist and I think you're a dumbass. Religion isn't just going to "go away", and I don't really want it to either. Say what you want about it, religion is actually kind of important to a lot of people. There are smart Christians out there, just like there's smart Muslims, smart Jews, etc. Hopefully, one day you'll grow up out of that pseudo-nihilist bullshit. I'm certainly hoping for that.[/QUOTE] I agree immensely. Beliefs are integral components, essential to our intellectual and social development. They allow us to form labels, with which we can better relate to those of a similar viewpoint or ideology. Perhaps what could be said, is that religion is of no consequence when its tenets do not infringe and harm others. In fact, many spiritual and religious people use their beliefs to reach out to others, to form bonds and friendship. In short, while I do disagree with the concept of organized religion, I do not lament or dislike the fact that they allow people to connect with one another, as cooperation is key to prolonging our existence and leaving an imprint of ourselves to further the development of humanity. As TheLittleBus said prior to this horridly large wall of text, " There are smart Christians out there, just like there's smart Muslims, smart Jews, etc.", meaning that our beliefs do not define us, rather it is the way we act towards our fellow over-clocked apes that truly make us good people.
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;23785669]I refuse to respect anti-human life-hating Nope, I don't believe in rights either.[/QUOTE] Uhhhhhh
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;23785643]It's the responsibility of the church to prevent increases in fundamentalism, something they never have and never will do.[/QUOTE] The Catholic Church is not employing a Secret Police force to monitor hints of fundamentalism in all churches in the world. They tried it once and it didn't work out so well.
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;23785669]What definition are you using? If you mean as similar to number 2 in this list, I do respect that others should be allowed to think and practice what they like however I do not not respect what they actually do, only their so-called 'right' to choose to do it. To elaborate, I refuse to respect anti-human life-hating religious views that go completely against my own values. Sure, I respect the 'right' to form such views but not the views themselves or the actions that result from them. [B]Nope, I don't believe in rights either.[/B] I see rights as a bit of an iffy term that appears to be implying that they are handed down from a higher power so must be followed. I prefer to see them as privileges that can be withdrawn depending on the laws and regulations in place in your area of residence. There is no such thing as a right, else it wouldn't be able to be withdrawn anywhere and would be enforced everywhere by the source of it.[/QUOTE] are you some sort of neo-fascist?
[QUOTE=GodKing;23784400]No he doesn't. You wouldn't respect someone for believing in the tooth fairy as an adult.[/QUOTE] Who gives a shit? You shouldn't be that concerned with a person's beliefs.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;23785926]The Catholic Church is not employing a Secret Police force to monitor hints of fundamentalism in all churches in the world. They tried it once and it didn't work out so well.[/QUOTE] Pretty stupid that you think I mean by force.
[QUOTE=Warhol;23785955]are you some sort of neo-fascist?[/QUOTE] No. Are you one of those who labels all ideas or views that oppose your own as 'fascist'? [editline]10:15PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Diet Kane;23785772]Uhhhhhh[/QUOTE] What? Just because I refuse to respect religious views that are anti-human and life-hating does not contradict the fact that I do not believe in rights as they are merely privileges that can be, and are often, withdrawn. This even happens in the fun loving 'democratic' nations. No, I am not anti-democratic and even if I was, the opposite of democracy is NOT fascism or totalitarianism.
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;23786128]No. Are you one of those who labels all ideas or views that oppose your own as 'fascist'?[/QUOTE] The only way to not "believe in rights" is to be a fascist. Your views aren't compatible with any other form of government.
[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;23786444]The only way to not "believe in rights" is to be a fascist. Your views aren't compatible with any other form of government.[/QUOTE] I think his point is that rights are not objective in any sense. What constitutes a right is up to personal interpretation so they don't really exist.
you just fucking said you don't believe in rights.
[QUOTE=Warhol;23785015]Doesn't change the fucking fact you can't act like a pretentious asshole and treat people like shit for their beliefs.[/QUOTE] Ya I can. [editline]05:31PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Warhol;23786480]you just fucking said you don't believe in rights.[/QUOTE] Cool your jets, Turbo.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;23786462]I think his point is that rights are not objective in any sense. What constitutes a right is up to personal interpretation so they don't really exist.[/QUOTE] Rights are not subjective. They're basic.
[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;23786081]Who gives a shit? You shouldn't be that concerned with a person's beliefs.[/QUOTE] I know I shouldn't, but I am, so tough shit for them.
It's the actual word I don't agree with the use of I guess, privileges just seems a more valid and accurate description of 'legal, social, or ethical principles of freedom or entitlement' as rights, to me, just sounds like things that MUST be provided in any country but they aren't in all so I don't like to see them as rights.
[QUOTE=GodKing;23786482]Ya I can.[/QUOTE] Then you are an intolerant douche.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;23786462]I think his point is that rights are not objective in any sense. What constitutes a right is up to personal interpretation so they don't really exist.[/QUOTE] Yeah that is also pretty much what I was trying to say. There are a lot of things, including rights, that are down to personal interpretation and often rely far too much on assumed or implied values of those that they are intended to apply to.
[QUOTE=Warhol;23786497]Rights are not subjective. They're basic.[/QUOTE] Not really no. You can't prove a right does or doesn't exist and violating someone's rights doesn't have any sort of physical repercussions. Rights are 100% human constructs. One guy can claim everyone has a right to healthcare and someone else can disagree and neither one is wrong.
[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;23786574]Then you are an intolerant douche.[/QUOTE] But these are my beliefs, please respect them.
Don't know if I'm late or not, but after the sign was vandalized they said THIS [QUOTE]Free speech is hated by homosexuals and they do not like to hear the truth about their perverted lifestyle. We are protesting our openly homosexual Mayor Aug 2. Maybe they did it, (not the Mayor himself, surely) but the more likely trigger for this attack is the burn a Koran Day plan. [/QUOTE]
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