[QUOTE=bravehat;23831135]People have the right to safety.
Going around shouting intimidating racial slurs or committing acts that are clearly fucking provocative to a group of people violate that right.
Also Slander.[/QUOTE]
Just because what I say can piss some people off (provoke them, whatever) doesn't mean I shouldn't be allowed to say it. And I don't see how that violates anyone's right for safety...
Sure you can sue the guy that shouted towards you racist slurs, or something, but I can't see how someone who for instance says "I think niggers are inferior to whites!" should be accused of any crime.
And regarding the specific case of the Qur'an burning: Again I can't see how someone putting their property to the fire under their own will is a bad thing. Just because some people [i]love[/i] that book doesn't mean he shouldn't be allowed to do that.
This is not a slander issue, bravehat. They have the right to burn the books no matter how fucked up it is.
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This is covered under freedom of expression.
Actually the tern would be "fighting words" as well.
Fighting words are written or spoken words, generally expressed to incite hatred or violence from their target. Specific definitions, freedoms, and limitations of fighting words vary by jurisdiction. It is also used in a general sense of words that when uttered create (deliberately or not) a verbal or physical confrontation by their mere usage.
It's still fucking retarded and a clear provocative act.
Why the fuck burn Qurans, really?
Oh look at me I'll piss off almost an entire world wide group of people who outnumber every christian just in the hope that the little fuck head in a cave somewhere pops a fucking blood vessel with rage and has a heart attack.
Really.
[I]Really[/I]
Feel free to do whatever the fuck you want, it's your own neck on the chopping block.
Not slander.
About inciting hate etc with speech
[QUOTE=bravehat;23831296]It's still fucking retarded and a clear provocative act.
Why the fuck burn Qurans, really?
Oh look at me I'll piss off almost an entire world wide group of people who outnumber every christian just in the hope that the little fuck head in a cave somewhere pops a fucking blood vessel with rage and has a heart attack.
Really.
[I]Really[/I]
Feel free to do whatever the fuck you want, it's your own neck on the chopping block.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough.
[QUOTE=bravehat;23831296]It's still fucking retarded and a clear provocative act.
Why the fuck burn Qurans, really?
Oh look at me I'll piss off almost an entire world wide group of people who outnumber every christian just in the hope that the little fuck head in a cave somewhere pops a fucking blood vessel with rage and has a heart attack.
Really.
[I]Really[/I]
Feel free to do whatever the fuck you want, it's your own neck on the chopping block.[/QUOTE]
You are slandering the church.
ARREST HIM
[QUOTE=bravehat;23831296]It's still fucking retarded and a clear provocative act.
Why the fuck burn Qurans, really?
Oh look at me I'll piss off almost an entire world wide group of people who outnumber every christian just in the hope that the little fuck head in a cave somewhere pops a fucking blood vessel with rage and has a heart attack.
Really.
[I]Really[/I]
Feel free to do whatever the fuck you want, it's your own neck on the chopping block.[/QUOTE]
Don't get me wrong, i'm not defending their action, but peoples rights are not being fucking violated here.
Not the church, just about of ass backwards retards who have a thing for omnipotent cloud people who are about to burn books of religious significance.
EDIT:
Fair do's I'll admit I'm wrong there, just near certain that it's against rights or illegal at least in the UK, pretty sure it's classed as inciting hate or something to that effect.
[QUOTE=Warhol;23830855]The structure of society creates laws which apply to everyone[/QUOTE]
Yes but that does not make peoples ethics the same.
[QUOTE]so therefor it's right?[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily, some of the regulations current implemented are too restrictive.
[QUOTE]There is NO excuse for regulation of freedom.[/QUOTE]
Freedom to do what? You already said that killing is 'bad' and should not be allowed. Saying that an action cannot be performed is contrary to freedom in terms of doing what you want.
[QUOTE]Regulating free speech and putting a price on freedom and individual rights is shit Italian syndicalists did.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much all countries regulate free speech as I said even if they claim not to. Governments also have control over what rights they implement. Rights are just concepts that are commonly agreed to implemented, not all countries implement them.
[QUOTE]I've never met a person who has matured past angsty goth phase try to argue that people don't deserve rights unless they earn them/freedom needs regulation. Regulating freedoms have hurt many people in history and is never necessary.[/QUOTE]
Like it or not, 'freedom' in terms of being able to do what you want and say what you want is regulated right now in most countries and you do not have complete freedom. Freedom is one of those words that gets redefined a lot. There are common rights that are agreed upon and implemented in many countries but not all because they are not enforced as being absolute.
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;23831615]Yes but that does not make peoples ethics the same.[/quote]
If you want to live by your own ethics away from the governments, go live in Somalia, they don't have a functioning government.
[quote]Not necessarily, some of the regulations current implemented are too restrictive[/quote]
Then what are you arguing?
[quote]Freedom to do what? You already said that killing is 'bad' and should not be allowed. Saying that an action cannot be performed is contrary to freedom in terms of doing what you want.[/quote]
Taking away the freedom of others is not freedom.
[quote]Pretty much all countries regulate free speech as I said even if they claim not to. Governments also have control over what rights they implement. Rights are just concepts that are commonly agreed to implemented, not all countries implement them.[/quote]
I'm not even sure what you're arguing now.
[quote]Like it or not, 'freedom' in terms of being able to do what you want and say what you want is regulated right now in most countries and you do not have complete freedom. Freedom is one of those words that gets redefined a lot. There are common rights that are agreed upon and implemented in many countries but not all because they are not enforced as being absolute.[/QUOTE]
None of this really relevant.
[QUOTE=Warhol;23832275]If you want to live by your own ethics away from the governments, go live in Somalia, they don't have a functioning government.[/QUOTE]
You don't understand what I meant. Every person has their own individual ethical views that may or may not coincide with those of others. I'm fine with how laws are made, they are for the most part based on things agreed to be in common interest and of mutual benefit.
Nice diversionary tactics, 'fascist'.
[QUOTE]Then what are you arguing?[/QUOTE]
That there needs to be some kind of regulation to maintain order and a functioning peaceful society but not the level of regulation that is currently applied. Freedom of speech in entirety has never been implemented fully without regulation and for it to be implemented careful steps would have to be made in order to test whether regulation is needed or not. See - I admit that I may be wrong - I call for investigation prior to implementation.
[QUOTE]Taking away the freedom of others is not freedom.[/QUOTE]
What is freedom then 'wise all-knowing one'?
[QUOTE]I'm not even sure what you're arguing now.[/QUOTE]
You said this;
[QUOTE]Regulating free speech and putting a price on freedom and individual rights is shit Italian syndicalists did.[/QUOTE]
I said this;
[QUOTE=JustExtreme]Pretty much all countries regulate rights such as free speech as I said even if they claim not to. Governments also have control over what rights they implement. Rights are just concepts that are commonly agreed to implemented, not all countries implement them.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]None of this really relevant.[/QUOTE]
Yeah it is. What is freedom to you? Your good-guy badge catchphrase?
[QUOTE=DrBreen;23778057]well no loss tbh
as long as all religions finally disappear, i won't really care if they kill each other.
Well killing each other is not needed.. but you guys get what i mean.
EDIT: Rate me dumb all you want, your religion will dissipate eventually, and so will your so called god :P
Then just destroy all forms of governments and make our existence self-sustainable
there[/QUOTE]
Your stupidity is astounding.
I'd love for religion to just die, but this isn't the way to do it. This only stirs up more pointless conflict. And besides, muslims have the exact same grounds for burning bibles as christians do for burning qurans. There's no logic to it.
Im going to burn a qur'an to.
Then a bible.
Then whatever jews got.
Talmud I'm pretty sure.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;23834487]Talmud I'm pretty sure.[/QUOTE]
The Hebrew Bible (Torah is one part of it)
The Babylonian Talmud
The Jerusalem Talmud
The Mishna
The Zohar
Shulhan Aruh
And many others. Pick one.
Torah and the Haftarah is boring as fuuuuuck in Hebrew
bar mitzvahs are most tedious fucking things I'm glad it only happens once in my life.
Because you don't understand what they mean...
Free bagels at least.
i do?
doesn't mean learning Hebrew and reading the damn thing out loud doesn't mean it's any less tedious. I wouldn't have done it if I didn't understand it.
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ohadje, making retarded claims, as usual. The possibility of him making a post with a shred of intelligence is the day the moon fucking explodes.
[QUOTE=bravehat;23831509]Not the church, just about of ass backwards retards who have a thing for omnipotent cloud people who are about to burn books of religious significance.
EDIT:
Fair do's I'll admit I'm wrong there, just near certain that it's against rights or illegal at least in the UK, pretty sure it's classed as inciting hate or something to that effect.[/QUOTE]
That's because the government in England is run by people with Alzheimer's.
[quote]
ohadje, making retarded claims, as usual. The possibility of him making a post with a shred of intelligence is the day the moon fucking explodes.
[/quote]
Pot calling kettle black. Amusing.
[QUOTE=ohadje;23834985]Pot calling kettle black. Amusing.[/QUOTE]
lol
you're some asshole who compared Israel to a rape victim. Said destroying peoples homes on the basis of some first hand accounts 40 years before and bombing hospitals with WP is all justified... and I'm at fault here.
ok, you have fun with that.
[editline]12:22AM[/editline]
oh and apparently i find learning a new language and reading a book i've already read in a new language in a ceremony 6 years ago when i was 13 boring means i don't understand it.
fucking cool man! you're hardcore
[QUOTE=Warhol;23835073]lol
you're some asshole who compared Israel to a rape victim. Said destroying peoples homes on the basis of some first hand accounts 40 years before and bombing hospitals with WP is all justified... and I'm at fault here.
ok, you have fun with that.[/QUOTE]
I bet you have nightmares about me.
"AGHHH NO HE SAID SOME I DISAGREE WITH!!!! "*FLAMING FLAMING FLAMING*" *GETS A VESSEL POPPED*
[QUOTE]
oh and apparently i find learning a new language and reading a book i've already read in a new language in a ceremony 6 years ago when i was 13 boring means i don't understand it.[/quote]
I bet you can now have a conversation with me.
It's not a matter of disagreeing, it's a matter of you defending atrocities which is an asshole thing to do.
[editline]12:26AM[/editline]
and the fact you spend more time making elaborate weird stories about my life which apparently you know so well, instead on ANY logical argument pretty much tops you off as being a complete toss pot.
[editline]12:27AM[/editline]
I'm a dick too, but i don't defend borderline genocide. Want to talk about rape victims? This is a rape victim
[img]https://segue.atlas.uiuc.edu/uploads/cbertho2/palestine.jpg[/img]
[editline]12:27AM[/editline]
Analogy plus the fact IDF have raped women there before.
[editline]12:33AM[/editline]
I don't have nightmares about you, ohadje, but you want to know what WOULD give me nightmares? the very fucking thing you defend, the tyranny over Palestine.
I hate people who take religion waaaaaaaaaay too seriously. Makes me hate to be a Christian some times.
[QUOTE=Warhol;23835115]It's not a matter of disagreeing, it's a matter of you defending atrocities which is an asshole thing to do.
[editline]12:26AM[/editline]
and the fact you spend more time making elaborate weird stories about my life which apparently you know so well, instead on ANY logical argument pretty much tops you off as being a complete toss pot.
[editline]12:27AM[/editline]
I'm a dick too, but i don't defend borderline genocide. Want to talk about rape victims? This is a rape victim
[img]https://segue.atlas.uiuc.edu/uploads/cbertho2/palestine.jpg[/img]
[editline]12:27AM[/editline]
Analogy plus the fact IDF have raped women there before.
[editline]12:33AM[/editline]
I don't have nightmares about you, ohadje, but you want to know what WOULD give me nightmares? the very fucking thing you defend, the tyranny over Palestine.[/QUOTE]
Get the fuck out of here. Nobody cares about your inability to stay on topic.
Islam is the religion of peas
[QUOTE=bravehat;23831296]It's still fucking retarded and a clear provocative act.
Why the fuck burn Qurans, really?
Oh look at me I'll piss off almost an entire world wide group of people who outnumber every christian just in the hope that the little fuck head in a cave somewhere pops a fucking blood vessel with rage and has a heart attack.
Really.
[I]Really[/I]
Feel free to do whatever the fuck you want, it's your own neck on the chopping block.[/QUOTE]
Muslims don't outnumber christians
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