Steve King: Gays Shouldn't "Flaunt It" If They Don't Want To Suffer From Discrimination - Polidicks

i thought it said something about steven wonder. [IMG]http://noelmas.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/stevie-wonder.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;21932746]douchebag trying to be cool by flaunting how straight they are, wearing naked women t-shirts, saying they like pussy, and how fucking women is good. douchebag going around saying he's gay to everyone he meets and tries to act superior and mighty to everyone because he is simply gay and knows that any haters can be called homophobic i have no idea who i hate more[/QUOTE] What about the average gay person who is just apparently gay because he is in a romantic relationship with a man? Everyone I know knows I am gay because I have a boyfriend with whom I act like is my boyfriend. The same thing guys do with chicks, I do with him, only I have the decency to not snog in public. A peck, maybe.

[QUOTE=thedude13;21932889]i thought it said something about steven wonder. [IMG]http://noelmas.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/stevie-wonder.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] That doesn't even RHYME with Steve King. I would have said something like "SEAKING".

[QUOTE=FreakyMe;21932931]What about the average gay person who is just apparently gay because he is in a romantic relationship with a man? Everyone I know knows I am gay because I have a boyfriend with whom I act like is my boyfriend. The same thing guys do with chicks, I do with him, only I have the decency to not snog in public. A peck, maybe.[/QUOTE] you're not flaunting your gay by snogging or doing regular with stuff with your boyfriend. you're flaunting when your making out while making loud moaning noises, then saying you're proudly homosexual to the entire block then acting like a chick. theres a difference in fact, if a straight guy is doing the opposite, he's an equal douche

yeah uh guys, we flaunt around being straight even more then they flaunt being gay. for instance you see tons of heterosexuals making out but ive yet to see a single gay couple even hold hands in public.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;21933173]you're not flaunting your gay by snogging or doing regular with stuff with your boyfriend. you're flaunting when your making out while making loud moaning noises, then saying you're proudly homosexual to the entire block then acting like a chick. theres a difference in fact, if a straight guy is doing the opposite, he's an equal douche[/QUOTE] I'm discriminated against just the same FYI, it is not like I am not victimized. I've just knocked the heads in of those that think they can do something about it through physical violence. Amazing how a baseball bat communicates "Don't fuck with me". I'm not like a straight-basher or anything though, it is only when they actually express the intent to cause me harm.

okay gay america here's the deal we make up a bunch of people that exist in our fantasies, then act fucked up towards you based on these fantasies since you are a minority this will continue probably till you die a miserable death any questions or comments?

Will there be kittens?

[QUOTE=FreakyMe;21921943]So to avoid imposing on these heterosexuals should I not take my boyfriend on dates or hold his hand in public? Should we perhaps get girlfriends so we don't offend other people? I mean by having a boyfriend in public I am implying I am gay and if you saw me dining in a restaurant with him, I am sure you would kind of make the connection, which some straight people might find threatening. Maybe I should just never be seen in public with him right? I mean we can express our love in a motel room where [U][I]regular[/I][/U] people don't have to see it, right? After all, I don't want to offend anyone's beliefs.[/QUOTE] You obviously didn't properly read it. I didn't say that kind of stuff is wrong, it's not black and white. Nor did i say that being gay wasn't regular. Please don't twist my words and turn this into an emotional and irrational argument? Being gay =/= being a gay stereotype. [editline]10:56AM[/editline] [quote=MercZ] The whole point of activities that people seem to see as "flaunting" are from gays who are, get ready for this, NOT uncomfortable with their sexual orientation. They embrace it and see it as their way of life , and aren't afraid to hide it just because prevailing social norms sees it as not being "normal".[/quote] You don't need to intentionally make it obvious you're gay to embrace it as a way of life. Being gay doesn't force you to wear shortshorts or lipstick and shit like that. It does not force you to be a flamer. It urges you to have sechs with men instead of girls. Things like holding hands with your boyfriend or even kissing him in public are perfectly acceptable; yet dying your hair pink and shit is not. People will more often than not hate you because you're acting weird, then think it's because you're gay. Even wearing a rainbow tshirt or wristband or something is fine; it's not really obnoxious. (As a sidenote, just to make it clear, i'm NOT saying things like wearing skinny jeans or taking care of your looks or anything is bad, it's actually quite good. I'm talking about when gays take the whole 'out and proud' thing too far.) [quote=MercZ]I imagine this dipshit Steve King is trying to play to people's image's of a gay pride parade where everyone is being flamboyant (and again people miss the point of those... they're showing that they won't be intimidated and hide in the closet) and by extension people's insecurities about gays. I mean the guy is going completely to cross-dressers and transsexuals and complaining how it would "harass" conservative businesses, over a drive to protect discrimination against gays in employments. He's side-stepping the obvious issue of discrimination gays suffer in any workplace. Most gays won't come to their work place dressed in drag, but working with someone long enough you will come to know their personal views and preferences even if they seem "normal" on the outside[/quote] I didn't really realise the point of pride parades until you posted this tbh. Makes more sense to me now. But equally, i think he's playing on a stereotype of flamboyancy and sleeziness that extends outside of the parades. I agree with you on the fact that he's side stepping issues however. No matter how you act, being fired because of your sexuality is unacceptable. And being gay is normal, expressing it in public in a non obnoxious way is normal; but it can be taken too far. [quote=MercZ] In his opinion, gays should not act gay if they worried about discrimination, and thus they won't need this protection. He'd rather they live in meek acceptance of the situation and not complain against the "will" of the masses, the god-fearing conservative Americans. If people were fired from their occupation for being a rabid Christian, there would be plenty of bitching about how they can't express their religion. Why is it different with someone's sexual preference? I mean if what you say about your orientation is true, this statement should come off as idiotic. [/quote] If he's saying that gays shouldn't kiss their boyfriends in public, or take pride in their looks, or wear a symbol or Tshirt or something to show their sexuality, or never bring it up in conversation, he's a dumbcunt. If he's saying that gays shouldn't semi-crossdress or dye their hair pink or shit like that, i agree; because that isn't being gay. That's acting stereotypically gay, and i believe that the personality and dress style of that is a choice in the same way that being emo is a choice. So what does he define as 'acting gay'? Nobody should be fired because of their orientation. Gays do need this protection, because with some people, no matter how straight you act, the second they find out you're gay, they hate you. (I just want to say one last time, just to cement it in, that i'm talking about flamers and shit. Everyday gay practice like kissing your boyfriend in public and shit is fine)

[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;21938575]You obviously didn't properly read it. I didn't say that kind of stuff is wrong, it's not black and white. Nor did i say that being gay wasn't regular. Please don't twist my words and turn this into an emotional and irrational argument? Being gay =/= being a gay stereotype. [editline]10:56AM[/editline] You don't need to intentionally make it obvious you're gay to embrace it as a way of life. Being gay doesn't force you to wear shortshorts or lipstick and shit like that. It does not force you to be a flamer. It urges you to have sechs with men instead of girls. Things like holding hands with your boyfriend or even kissing him in public are perfectly acceptable; yet dying your hair pink and shit is not. People will more often than not hate you because you're acting weird, then think it's because you're gay. Even wearing a rainbow tshirt or wristband or something is fine; it's not really obnoxious. (As a sidenote, just to make it clear, i'm NOT saying things like wearing skinny jeans or taking care of your looks or anything is bad, it's actually quite good. I'm talking about when gays take the whole 'out and proud' thing too far.) I didn't really realise the point of pride parades until you posted this tbh. Makes more sense to me now. But equally, i think he's playing on a stereotype of flamboyancy and sleeziness that extends outside of the parades. I agree with you on the fact that he's side stepping issues however. No matter how you act, being fired because of your sexuality is unacceptable. And being gay is normal, expressing it in public in a non obnoxious way is normal; but it can be taken too far. If he's saying that gays shouldn't kiss their boyfriends in public, or take pride in their looks, or wear a symbol or Tshirt or something to show their sexuality, or never bring it up in conversation, he's a dumbcunt. If he's saying that gays shouldn't semi-crossdress or dye their hair pink or shit like that, i agree; because that isn't being gay. That's acting stereotypically gay, and i believe that the personality and dress style of that is a choice in the same way that being emo is a choice. So what does he define as 'acting gay'? Nobody should be fired because of their orientation. Gays do need this protection, because with some people, no matter how straight you act, the second they find out you're gay, they hate you. (I just want to say one last time, just to cement it in, that i'm talking about flamers and shit. Everyday gay practice like kissing your boyfriend in public and shit is fine)[/QUOTE] First of all, dying your hair pink isn't a symbol of being gay, more like being a punk. More punks have pink hair than gays. And cross dressing and what not is a sexual orientation in and of itself, gays, and straights do this. Should you get fired from your job for this? If you're doing it on the job and it's inappropriate? Yes. If it's in your spare time, fuck no. NO one has a right to tell others how to dress or not in their own free time. Are you going to go around and tell every subgroup to start applying more to the "Normal" look? Being abnormal isn't wrong, but doing it on the job when it's not appropriate is wrong. There's a strict difference here.

[QUOTE=Rubs10;21932579]That's a true statement, but we both know that isn't going to happen with the general public anytime soon. [/QUOTE] If you're content with being as wretched a person as the "general public" then that's your prerogative.

The only place where I got ridiculed was in High School, even though I wasn't, people would usually call me out on it. TBH, I don't mind them, just don't come onto me going "OMG I'M SOOO GAYYY YAAAY" =/

I don't know about you guys, but that Dolce & Gabbana commercial with those dudes kissing freaked me out.

"I wouldn't hate those black people if they didn't flaunt their ethnicity. They should really start wearing full body coverings or at least whiteface. Because really, if it makes me uncomfortable, who CARES what we have to do to make it go away?" I feel like I've stepped into the civil war era except with a different sort of bigot.

[QUOTE=mzathemind;21945294]I don't know about you guys, but that Dolce & Gabbana commercial with those dudes kissing freaked me out.[/QUOTE] True

[QUOTE=mzathemind;21945294]I don't know about you guys, but that Dolce & Gabbana commercial with those dudes kissing freaked me out.[/QUOTE] probably because you are sexually unsure you don't get uncomfortable when lesbians kiss, do you?

[QUOTE=staticman;21911349][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VRJns-IPyE[/media] Hey, Mr. King, I've looked at your test, I'm afraid you have Sickbigotedbastardism... It's a painfull disease, it's fatal, and there's no cure. I'm afraid the only option is for you to kill yourself.[/QUOTE] Did nobody realize how the OP called King a "sick bigoted bastard" just for stating a fact?

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21949185]Did nobody realize how the OP called King a "sick bigoted bastard" just for stating a fact?[/QUOTE] He is a bigoted fuck though. That's not debatable.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;21949193]He is a bigoted fuck though. That's not debatable.[/QUOTE] most of all he's an attention whore

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;21949193]He is a bigoted fuck though. That's not debatable.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't know in general, I don't follow King (I haven't even heard about him before this), but there was nothing sick or bigoted about his statement.

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21949185]Did nobody realize how the OP called King a "sick bigoted bastard" just for stating a fact?[/QUOTE] it's not a fact you dummy, it's dumb "the discrimination is their own fault" bullshit

Gays shouldn't flaunt Studs shouldn't brag. Makes you look like less of an arse and doesn't leave an awkward atmosphere

to paraphrase "if gay people don't want to be discriminated against, they should shamefully hide their sexuality in a society that is constantly bombarded with images of heterosexual sexuality" the whole "they shouldn't flaunt it" argument is dumb because, if you watched just 5 minutes of prime-time television or commercials or looked at bill-boards or listened to the radio or read magazines, you'd see that straight sexuality is being flaunted everywhere in our society [editline]09:11PM[/editline] [QUOTE=teeheeV2;21952955]Gays shouldn't flaunt Studs shouldn't brag. Makes you look like less of an arse and doesn't leave an awkward atmosphere[/QUOTE] well straight people aren't going to stop talking about straight sex any time soon, so the only way to not have a double-standard is to not throw a temper tantrum any time gay people talk about gay sex

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21950117]I wouldn't know in general, I don't follow King (I haven't even heard about him before this), but there was nothing sick or bigoted about his statement.[/QUOTE] You should read the thread

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;21952939]it's not a fact you dummy, it's dumb "the discrimination is their own fault" bullshit[/QUOTE] I know it isn't their fault, but if you would be discriminated for thinking certain things, don't you think you'd want to be quiet about it? Gays should be able to do whatever they want, but unfortunately that just isn't how things are yet, and they should act accordingly, and if they don't then...unfortunately discrimination is surely possible. [editline]08:21PM[/editline] [QUOTE=combine487;21953054]You should read the thread[/QUOTE] That's easy for you to say, 9 pages isn't my idea of a night's reading.

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21949185]Did nobody realize how the OP called King a "sick bigoted bastard" just for stating a fact?[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6StAtOaVn2Q[/media] Maybe because he IS...

[QUOTE=staticman;21953181][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6StAtOaVn2Q[/media] Maybe because he IS...[/QUOTE] Maybe for other things, but from what the thread was about, not really.

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21953156]I know it isn't their fault, but if you would be discriminated for thinking certain things, don't you think you'd want to be quiet about it? Gays should be able to do whatever they want, but unfortunately that just isn't how things are yet, and they should act accordingly, and if they don't then...unfortunately discrimination is surely possible. [/QUOTE] So let's put the onus on the gays to fix it That's some great conservative talky points you got there [editline]10:28PM[/editline] yes I know I said talky points and not talking points

[QUOTE=Zeke129;21953272]So let's put the onus on the gays to fix it That's some great conservative talky points you got there [editline]10:28PM[/editline] yes I know I said talky points and not talking points[/QUOTE] I never said it was on the gays to fix it, I'm just saying that until people get over their intolerance they shouldn't flaunt it around people who would potentially want to harm them. I don't mean to compare pedo's and gays on the same level, but the concept is the same, you can live a totally normal and tolerated life, but if you reveal you're a pedophile, then expect discrimination.

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21953343] I don't mean to compare pedo's and gays on the same level, but the concept is the same, you can live a totally normal and tolerated life, but if you reveal you're a pedophile, then expect discrimination.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Gummylamb;21953343] I don't mean to compare pedo's and gays on the same level, but the concept is the same,[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Gummylamb;21953343] but the concept is the same[/QUOTE] Never post again