Iran says it tested new air defense missile system - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Explosions;26138822]This isn't something that can defend against a coordinated and determined US attack. If we wanted their stuff blown up, it'd happen some way or another.[/QUOTE] Last time the US Army was capable of any kinds of coordinated and determined attacks was ~70 years ago.

[QUOTE=Tac Error;26139234]I mean the domestic "S-300 type" system they've been showing around in their parade recently. [editline]18th November 2010[/editline] But do Aussie F-15s have radar that are designed with the capability of a degree of counter stealth detection? Has the F-22 ever operated in an environment with Nebo SVUs around? Don't draw conclusions that stealth aircraft are invulnerable and impervious like they're some kind of flying Titanic.[/QUOTE] Not only was the RADAR of the F-15C not detecting the aircraft, but it couldn't even grab the heat signature off of the plane. And you are putting too much faith in the nebo system. They design the system to defend against narrow wavelength RADAR because those are the only ones actually capable of pinpointing a target. VHF RADAR will ballpark a location, but even modern Nebo systems are still just VHF RADAR operating in the meter bandwidth (as opposed to centimeter or milimeter). The best you can hope for is to find a pattern of sorties flown by the aircraft and then saturate an area with the systems and HOPE that if you network them all together that they can provide a missile with enough information to hit the aircraft. This is decades old technology, the USAF is quite familiar with it both in theory as well as in combat and it is unlikely that it poses a significant threat to F-22's. F-35's however might be in a little more danger.

Shit.

[QUOTE=GunFox;26141515]Not only was the RADAR of the F-15C not detecting the aircraft, but it couldn't even grab the heat signature off of the plane. And you are putting too much faith in the nebo system. They design the system to defend against narrow wavelength RADAR because those are the only ones actually capable of pinpointing a target. VHF RADAR will ballpark a location, but even modern Nebo systems are still just VHF RADAR operating in the meter bandwidth (as opposed to centimeter or milimeter). The best you can hope for is to find a pattern of sorties flown by the aircraft and then saturate an area with the systems and HOPE that if you network them all together that they can provide a missile with enough information to hit the aircraft. This is decades old technology, the USAF is quite familiar with it both in theory as well as in combat and it is unlikely that it poses a significant threat to F-22's. F-35's however might be in a little more danger.[/QUOTE] Decades old? The 1L119 Nebo SVU AESA is pretty new in fact. [quote=APA]Other differences include an antenna shroud which closely resembles that used with the legacy NNIIRT 1L13 Nebo SV / Box Spring radar – the element count on the Iranian radar clearly shows it is the later 1L119 Nebo SVU AESA, not the conventional 1980s technology 1L13 Nebo SV.[/quote] While I'm no expert in radars, I believe it's foolish to draw conclusions on the basis of things like "F-22 is advanced stealth, therefore it will be impervious against every single 'non-modern' system used against it." Hell, I even see people who still believe that the M1 Abrams was virtually impenetrable to Soviet APFSDS rounds and ATGMs.

[QUOTE=Strongbad;26138881]and watch as your post gets rated dumb 250 times by "Hurr durr britain" British cunts.[/QUOTE] wow, where the fuck did that come from

[QUOTE=Mindtwistah;26138140] While I do not like the current Iranian government, I still support this. It is absurd that the west can have one of the cleanest and most effective ways of producing energy while the Arab countries can't.[/QUOTE] Iranians are not Arabs, they are Persians. [QUOTE=mrryanchisholm;26141555]Shit.[/QUOTE] Yeah man, Iran is actually trying to defend themselves if something might happen! How scary!

This is probably just a move to stop other middle eastern countries like Israel from getting any funny ideas. Doubt the USA would have much problems with it. All we fly over there is what ever surveillance aircraft the CIA is operating now these days anyway.

I stated this earlier you in another thread, You can't capture a city with a drone (Or F22).

[QUOTE=Tac Error;26142141] While I'm no expert in radars, I believe it's foolish to draw conclusions on the basis of things like "F-22 is advanced stealth, therefore it will be impervious against every single 'non-modern' system used against it."[/QUOTE] Im pretty sure a few dedicated wild weasel sorties of F-22s would be able to overwhelm what S-300s the Iranians would counter with.

[QUOTE=Timebomb757;26149602]Im pretty sure a few dedicated wild weasel sorties of F-22s would be able to overwhelm what S-300s the Iranians would counter with.[/QUOTE] The F-22 can't carry the AGM-88 HARM, but let's leave the S-300 to rest as there's no concrete confirmation of Iran having S-300s or S-300-equivalent systems.

I really don't see the benefits of invading another Middle-Eastern country. Nor the motives

[QUOTE=Tac Error;26151070]The F-22 can't carry the AGM-88 HARM, but let's leave the S-300 to rest as there's no concrete confirmation of Iran having S-300s or S-300-equivalent systems.[/QUOTE] It might actually be able to carry the HARM, but would need to do so on an external hardpoint. We don't really know what can be fitted onto the four external hardpoints aside from the obvious drop tanks. Not that it matters much, chances are the F-22's would just locate the SAM and then upload the location data to a B1B or a B2 sitting well outside of engagement range of the SAM and they would hit the location with a cruise missile. The US military is in the middle of a doctrine switch with how we plan on handling future engagements. The F-22's stealth has thus far proven ridiculously effective, but it is extremely limited in the amount of ordinance it can carry and remain stealth. So the plan is to link them with the B1's and B2's and allow them semi direct control over their on-board munitions. F-22's do the targeting, the bombers do the heavy lifting. Lets a single F-22 penetrate an enemy squadron or air defense zone and effectively annihilate everyone and everything in his target area. The other benefit of this is that we don't need to spend so much buying so many F-22's. One could theoretically do the work of as many bombers as he has supporting him multiplied by however many times the payload of the raptor the bombers can carry. In theory anyways. But if it works even remotely like they intend it to, it is a brilliant plan.

Slightly offtopic, Gunfox, but where do you learn about this sort of thing?

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;26151173]I really don't see the benefits of invading another Middle-Eastern country. Nor the motives[/QUOTE] Sand shortage. They need more sand. [editline]19th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Regulas021;26152260]Slightly offtopic, Gunfox, but where do you learn about this sort of thing?[/QUOTE] I've always loved planes. I have a bunch of books on them on my bookshelf. My mother dated a former SR-71 pilot for a while, neat guy, gave me a huge portion of the books I have. The internet itself also houses a huge wealth of information of course, though you have to be careful there as the media will just make shit up or be retarded constantly. But that applies to pretty much any topic, I suppose. EDIT: Hah, hadn't thought about that guy for years. He apparently even has a wiki page: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Shul[/url]