Wife Leaves Husband Who Refused To Give Up Son With Down Syndrome - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Richoxen;47084228]I don't blame her.[/QUOTE] Jeez you guys a fucking horrible [editline]6th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Dermock;47084267]As shitty as it is to do this to him I don't blame her either. A child with downs-syndrome is a life long commitment. They're not moving out, going to college or becoming independent in anyway way shape or form - they're going to need constant attention forever. Imagine still having to take care of your kid when he's 30. Imagine trying to find somewhere to take your mentally disabled son for when you inevitably die before they do.[/QUOTE] A lot of people apparently don't have a clue about Down Syndrome

It's cruel to keep a disabled child with downs alive if it's a mental problem where they will never grow up who are we to play god and artificially keep them alive.

If you are going to have a child, you need to be ready to have something go wrong with your child, if you can't handle that then you shouldn't even consider being a parent in the first place.

[QUOTE=AK'z;47084328]This is sort of what you sign up for when you create life.[/QUOTE] Usually when someone has a child they assume It will be healthy, and act like other healthy children do - that means that you care for it until a certain point, then they're independent, and then if you're lucky the child cares about you when you're of age. That's what most 'sign up for' when they create life.

[QUOTE=proch;47085983]Usually when someone has a child they assume It will be healthy[/QUOTE] And usually if that child gets ill, parents care.

[QUOTE=AK'z;47086023]And usually if that child gets ill, parents care.[/QUOTE] There's a MASSIVE difference between a healthy child getting sick at some point and being born with a genetic defect that means he'll require round the clock care and (severely) hindered mental development. I ain't judging. I've see firsthand how difficult kids with Down's can be, I can understand her not wanting that/being able to deal with that. It's her life, her choice and it's not my right to judge her for it without knowing what I'd do in that situation.

Yall don't know shit about Down's Syndrome and yet you still go on being ~cold and logical~ hardasses. It's isn't crippling intellectual disability, someone with Down's Syndrome is perfectly able to take care of themselves and function. Fuck, there's workshops and accommodation programs for them out there as well to work and be active. Sure it's tough but come on.

Witch hunt?

I've met a bunch of people with downs syndrome, and I don't think it's acceptable to just walk away from your own son. Especially after he's been born. Good luck to the father.

[QUOTE=Mr. N;47086211]Yall don't know shit about Down's Syndrome and yet you still go on being ~cold and logical~ hardasses. It's isn't crippling intellectual disability, someone with Down's Syndrome is perfectly able to take care of themselves and function. Fuck, there's workshops and accommodation programs for them out there as well to work and be active. Sure it's tough but come on.[/QUOTE] GoodWill is a good example. It still pisses me off you people say you would abort a child with down syndrome. For one thing, most of the time, people can deal with Down Syndrome very easily. Since there is special Programs created by the government. My Sister, which she is 22 works at Goodwill during the week and she is happy as hell all the time and my parents love her for one thing. Also that thing about abortion, i don't really care if people do it, if it is to save the person's life, thats fine, or if the child is way fucked up beyond repair, i would probably say yes. But this shit about getting rid of a child because they won't be like any normal kid because of Down Syndrome or any other mental disease. I just makes me angry that your people think it was right for her to leave the child. I lived with my sister for 17 years and cared for her. She watches Barney, loves watching sports, and has plenty of friends. And if you think the child is going to have a miserable life. Most of the time they are happy.

[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;47086376]GoodWill is a good example. It still pisses me off you people say you would abort a child with down syndrome. For one thing, most of the time, people can deal with Down Syndrome very easily. Since there is special Programs created by the government. My Sister, which she is 22 works at Goodwill during the week and she is happy as hell all the time and my parents love her for one thing. Also that thing about abortion, i don't really care if people do it, if it is to save the person's life, thats fine, or if the child is way fucked up beyond repair, i would probably say yes. But this shit about getting rid of a child because they won't be like any normal kid because of Down Syndrome or any other mental disease. I just makes me angry that your people think it was right for her to leave the child. I lived with my sister for 17 years and cared for her. She watches Barney, loves watching sports, and has plenty of friends. And if you think the child is going to have a miserable life. Most of the time they are happy.[/QUOTE] This is the thing about Down's Syndrome. They are more difficult to take care of, but they are autonomous and more capable of happiness than the sorry lot that browse here :v: . I understand aborting a child that has little to no hope of knowing happiness, but Down's Syndrome children aren't like that. So onto the article at hand, we hardly know the full story, but if the mother was ready for a normal child, but jumped ship after being told about the child, that's just not nice.

[QUOTE=Mr. N;47087101]This is the thing about Down's Syndrome. They are more difficult to take care of, but they are autonomous and more capable of happiness than the sorry lot that browse here :v: . I understand aborting a child that has little to no hope of knowing happiness, but Down's Syndrome children aren't like that. So onto the article at hand, we hardly know the full story, but if the mother was ready for a normal child, but jumped ship after being told about the child, that's just not nice.[/QUOTE] Basically the mother was like, "This child is not perfect so I'm leaving you since its not normal". If you bring a child in this world, its your responsibility to take care of it. You can probably give it to another family or so, but you just can't completely abandon it. And half of you people saying its hard to have a kid with Down Syndrome and saying it will turn your life into a living hell. Ive met a bunch of people who have Down Syndrome affected children and their lives are fine. They are human too. Don't judge about something you don't know about.

Technically if you could instantly know if a child has down syndrome within the first month and could abort then, the more this happens and the more parents do that, the less children will have their lives screwed over from bad genes its not grim or harsh or anything. Downsyndrome is a bad gene, if the gene was altered or destroyed over time then children wouldn't have to suffer from it. You'd begin needing abortions less and less. Less and less families would have unhealthy children. Exactly the same thing can be said about bad genes regarding physical disabilities / etc the less the gene is passed on the more it'll go away

[QUOTE=J!NX;47087190]Technically if you could instantly know if a child has down syndrome within the first month and could abort then, the more this happens and the more parents do that, the less children will have their lives screwed over from bad genes[/QUOTE] Most of the time kids or adults who have down syndrome are usually happy and don't mind it. Jesus you people think when people have down syndrome they are devoid of emotion.

[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;47087204]Most of the time kids or adults who have down syndrome are usually happy and don't mind it. Jesus you people think when people have down syndrome they are devoid of emotion.[/QUOTE] That's really missing the point though. If we could alter their genes before birth, not doing it would be wrong. Or simply abort. I know some people with down syndrome have full lives and make a ton of money and live entirely on their own. And they're happy, that's good. But they still struggle with a disability and could have had a normal life if the gene were to be slowly removed over time. this isn't entirely talking about just downsyndrome though, this could be said for any extremely defective gene. People who are born blind don't understand what it could have been like. Yeah, they live full lives, they're healthy, some don't even care that they're blind, etc. But over time, abortions mean less and less have to deal with that. It doesn't matter if "They'll be happy", it matters that less people in the future would have it. People miss a huge amount of opportunities because of birth defects that they couldn't have chosen.

[QUOTE=J!NX;47087190]Technically if you could instantly know if a child has down syndrome within the first month and could abort then, the more this happens and the more parents do that, the less children will have their lives screwed over from bad genes its not grim or harsh or anything. Downsyndrome is a bad gene, if the gene was altered or destroyed over time then children wouldn't have to suffer from it. You'd begin needing abortions less and less. Less and less families would have unhealthy children. Exactly the same thing can be said about bad genes regarding physical disabilities / etc the less the gene is passed on the more it'll go away[/QUOTE] It's not a gene though. Trisomy 21 is random chromosomal anomaly. Get your shit right.

[QUOTE=Mr. N;47087249]It's not a gene though. Trisomy 21 is random chromosomal anomaly. Get your shit right.[/QUOTE] fuck I'm dumb

[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;47087204]Most of the time kids or adults who have down syndrome are usually happy and don't mind it. Jesus you people think when people have down syndrome they are devoid of emotion.[/QUOTE] That is true, but in the end people are gonna end up wanting what's best for their children. With advances in medical science and an increasing public access to new technologies and medical techniques, it seems quite likely that the baby in the article could very well be part of the last generation to have downs. I honestly don't see there being many of them left past 2050.

[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;47087261]As someone that has a disabled brother I feel for both sides. The father is the only person that is willing to help this child. The mother on the other hand can't deal with it and upset to a point where she would just walk out. I actually feel like some intervention could of done something here, when my disabled brother was born there was intervention there between my mother and the husband at the time to help them cope with it. The father is still helping and caring for my disabled brother and he's now 27. Taking care of one is dedication and mentally challenging. There was no right or wrong to what she did. But intervention could of done something.[/QUOTE] Well, i could agree if she "mentally" couldn't take it. like if the child had an extreme case of Down Syndrome or other type of mental disease. It can cause a lot of mental stress to the wife. But most of the time, down syndrome is usually not extreme as everyone else thinks on this thread. They might have limited mental ability, but usually are not as bad as you would think. But if she just left on the accord of saying "This child is not perfect, I'm leaving you with it and going to have a normal family elsewhere". Then She is a bitch. [editline]6th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Deng;47087362]That is true, but in the end people are gonna end up wanting what's best for their children. With advances in medical science and an increasing public access to new technologies and medical techniques, it seems quite likely that the baby in the article could very well be part of the last generation to have downs. I honestly don't see there being many of them left past 2050.[/QUOTE] Even with a sister with Down Syndrome, i do hope they make a cure for it so people can no longer have to struggle with it.

[QUOTE=J!NX;47087317]fuck I'm dumb[/QUOTE] You're fine! It's a common misunderstanding.

[QUOTE=AK'z;47084328]This is sort of what you sign up for when you create life.[/QUOTE] Says who, God?

I can't really imagine why anyone would give up their child. Even if it had Down's syndrome, it's still your kid. It's a human being you put it on this earth, and you have an obligation to raise it.

[QUOTE=AK'z;47084493]This is exactly the point. We're not in the middle ages, there's so much help out there.[/QUOTE] Not-so middle ages: Patria Potestas. The parent, often the father, has full ownership of the child. They hold the right to do whatever they shall want with it; including selling or killing them. This was common all the way till juveniles got some rights in the 18/19(and even 20th in the US) centuries.

Some people just aren't emotionally able to deal with that kind of commitment. While it's pretty shitty that she did this, it is understandable why she did it. Not everyone can handle the stress and patience that it could require to raise and care for this child. The child and father are better off now that she's gone imo. She could have potentially snapped and ended up abusing/harming the poor kid.

I will never have children with someone who isn't willing to abort down-syndrome fetuses. You only live once, and we can use [i]technology[/i] to benefit out lives, so we should use it. Plus it's keeping someone from being born without the ability to truly interact with their environment, which could be torture. If I had the choice to not be born if I was going to have down-syndrome, I would chose to not be born.

I can't you guys are actually condoning abortions because the child will not be genetically perfect. It's not like people with Down Syndrome live painful lives. If you plan on having kids you should really be prepared for anything. What would happen if your kid at age five was in an accident and would require care for the rest of his or her life? What would you do, euthanize them?

[QUOTE=ThePanther;47089661]I will never have children with someone who isn't willing to abort down-syndrome fetuses. You only live once, and we can use [i]technology[/i] to benefit out lives, so we should use it. Plus it's keeping someone from being born without the ability to truly interact with their environment, which could be torture. If I had the choice to not be born if I was going to have down-syndrome, I would chose to not be born.[/QUOTE] Dude, If you had down syndrome, your mind wouldn't of even registered it. Basically, in your mind, your perspective would be normal compared to you. So basically, it doesnt effect you at all. [editline]6th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=matt000024;47089764]I can't you guys are actually condoning abortions because the child will not be genetically perfect. It's not like people with Down Syndrome live painful lives. If you plan on having kids you should really be prepared for anything. What would happen if your kid at age five was in an accident and would require care for the rest of his or her life? What would you do, euthanize them?[/QUOTE] Good point. If your child breaks their back and they become disable. Are you going to leave it since its not perfect? Thats how everyone is saying in this thread with Down syndrome people. Its Fucking sick that you people wouldnt raise a child since it wasn't perfect.

[QUOTE=draugur;47088986]Some people just aren't emotionally able to deal with that kind of commitment. While it's pretty shitty that she did this, it is understandable why she did it. Not everyone can handle the stress and patience that it could require to raise and care for this child. The child and father are better off now that she's gone imo. She could have potentially snapped and ended up abusing/harming the poor kid.[/QUOTE] You do have a good point, if you literally can't handle a child with that, it might just be smart to give it up for adoption or give it to someone else. But jesus, you people think that we need to abort every child that has down syndrome. Fucking Hitlers.

I legitimately don't understand the point that some here are trying to make. What it boils down to at a certain point is that you made the commitment to have a child. You made a commitment to create a human being, and you made a commitment to be a parent to that human being. The commitment isn't conditional on whether or not the kid is easy to take care of. Whether or not the kid is perfect, has downs, has cancer, is ugly, throws tantrums, is a sociopath, or whatever; those were ALL potential outcomes when you CHOSE to become the parent of a child. To throw the child away simply because it inconveniences you is not something I would do. She's obviously going to make her own decisions, but I'm certainly going to sit here and say that, subjectively, I would make the claim that she's in the wrong here. Moreso than the inconvenience that this poses to the mother, should we not be taking into account the situation this places the child and father in? Clearly they are struggling as a result of her actions. She backed out on a commitment she made, and now a father and a newborn child are going to suffer for that, solely because she wasn't even willing to ATTEMPT to take care of this kid. She gave up before even putting forth a shred of effort. You guys can say whatever you want, but I can't see any way in which she's not to blame here. She made a decision knowing full well what the consequences may be (good or bad). If she had the kid assuming that there was a 0% chance for it to have some sort of problem, she's absolutely to blame. SHE made the choice. If SHE wasn't willing to put up with the consequences of HER actions, then SHE is the only person to blame. That's all there is to it. People can't make huge decisions like having a kid under the assumption that everything will just go great and they'll live a happy life off in fairy tale land somewhere. People need to learn to have a little fucking responsibility now and then.

[QUOTE=matt000024;47089764]I can't you guys are actually condoning abortions because the child will not be genetically perfect.[/QUOTE] Well, aren't people allowed to choose what they can do with the fetus growing inside them?