Wife Leaves Husband Who Refused To Give Up Son With Down Syndrome - Polidicks

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[QUOTE=Deng;47089916]Well, aren't people allowed to choose what they can do with the fetus growing inside them?[/QUOTE] From a legal standpoint I'm pro-choice, but you honestly shouldn't be out there aborting any fetus that isn't perfect. You guys are literally supporting eugenics.

[QUOTE=BloodRayne;47085951]It's cruel to keep a disabled child with downs alive if it's a mental problem where they will never grow up who are we to play god and artificially keep them alive.[/QUOTE] er, i think it would be a bit more cruel to end someones life because you've decided their disability makes life not worth living

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;47090917]Where do you draw the line of abort/don't abort though?[/QUOTE] If a child will be living their entire life in discomfort/pain, incest, rape, etc.

[QUOTE=matt000024;47090890]From a legal standpoint I'm pro-choice, but you honestly shouldn't be out there aborting any fetus that isn't perfect. You guys are literally supporting eugenics.[/QUOTE] Because everything the Nazi's did is automatically wrong! :downs: It's one thing to abort a disabled fetus, it's another thing to kill an adult or a child.

Even though it was a "jerk" move towards the father, I think what the mother did was right. If she believes she couldn't handle raising a child with down syndrome, then it's best for the child's sake (and her's) that she leaves. I don't know much about raising mentally challenged kids, but I'm sure it requires a lot of patience and commitment. I feel sorry for the father. But I hope he can raise the child the best he can.

I have a couple of friends with a severely disabled daughter. Yes, it's a full time constant workload from what I've seen. The thing is, they are happy, as happy as anyone I know and still do things. So what it comes down to is if you are up for the challenge, it can be done and you can can find a way to make it work. If this woman is not up for that challenge everyone is better off knowing it ASAP. She did them a favor in a way. I'd rather someone walk out on me at the start, so I can make other plans, than pretend to be my partner in something so important only to walk out later after I've planned my whole life around them being there.

[QUOTE=viper shtf;47084277]Why didn't they test for downs in the womb, and abort?[/QUOTE] Without doing research, I'd venture to guess you can't determine that before the period where things get kinda hairy (morally speaking) when it comes to abortion.

sensationalist headlines never fails to impress me with how terrible you guys are.

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[QUOTE=sasherz;47091705]Without doing research, I'd venture to guess you can't determine that before the period where things get kinda hairy (morally speaking) when it comes to abortion.[/QUOTE] Actually, they can test at 10 weeks. [url]http://www.babycenter.com.au/a1487/screening-for-down-syndrome[/url]

[QUOTE=matt000024;47090890]You guys are literally supporting eugenics.[/QUOTE] Eugenics is the idea of removing or promoting specific genetic traits within a gene pool to promote "beneficial" traits. Aborting a fetus that is going to have down syndrome (Which is mostly [I]genetically random[/I]) because you don't want them to bring a person into the world that will [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_syndrome#Signs_and_symptoms]suffer any or all of these impairments[/url] is not eugenics, it's being a moral person.

[QUOTE=glitchvid;47092362]Eugenics is the idea of removing or promoting specific genetic traits within a gene pool to promote "beneficial" traits. Aborting a fetus that is going to have down syndrome (Which is mostly [I]genetically random[/I]) because you don't want them to bring a person into the world that will [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_syndrome#Signs_and_symptoms]suffer any or all of these impairments[/url] is not eugenics, it's being a moral person.[/QUOTE] But aren't genetically inherited disorders a trait of a human? A negative trait? Wouldnt aborting a fetus with genetical disorders be eugenics?

Even if aborting a fetus is eugenics, is there something really bad about that? You have the right to choose what to do with your own body.

[QUOTE=matt000024;47090890]From a legal standpoint I'm pro-choice, but you honestly shouldn't be out there aborting any fetus that isn't perfect. You guys are literally supporting eugenics.[/QUOTE] So if you're given the opportunity to stop a fucked life that would be nothing but suffering for everyone involved before it even started then you're supporting eugenics. What ?

[QUOTE=Impact1986;47092395]But aren't genetically inherited disorders a trait of a human? A negative trait? Wouldnt aborting a fetus with genetical disorders be eugenics?[/QUOTE] It would be eugenic to abort a fetus that carried a recessive defect, because it would not affect the baby itself. The purpose of not giving birth to a child with Down's is to avoid the guaranteed complications of raising it.

[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;47089848] But jesus, you people think that we need to abort every child that has down syndrome. Fucking Hitlers.[/QUOTE] Where exactly did I say that? I mean, you people is a statement that by context is directed at me so..

[QUOTE=matt000024;47091019]If a child will be living their entire life in discomfort/pain[/QUOTE] Like say, if they had a severe mental disorder that will estrange them from the world for the rest of their lives?

[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;47093887]Like say, if they had a severe mental disorder that will estrange them from the world for the rest of their lives?[/QUOTE] I can understand arguing for the sake of overly-strained responsibility and stress for the parents, but if you've actually known people with mental retardation you'd know they are fully capable of being happy with their lives. This is about the mother's choice, not that the child will supposedly be forever miserable.

Some people can't deal with heavy responsibility and I'd rather see them separate themselves from that responsibility at an early moment where no damage has been done rather than be forced to stick to it until bad shit happens because they're not good at it or simply not willing and they end up fucking up really badly.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;47092513]So if you're given the opportunity to stop a fucked life that would be nothing but suffering for everyone involved before it even started then you're supporting eugenics. What ?[/QUOTE] Still though, as some here have already said. There isn't really a guarantee that downs syndrome = fucked life. Some can lead very proficient lives with it and some can't. When I volunteered at a home for the disabled, the home itself had a small gift shop/store where they could learn basic money/management and inventory skills and in the next room after that, there was a bunch of computer stations set up for those who wished to pursue careers in software development, web design, photoshop or whatever involved computer sciences. It was a pretty cool experience, actually. I just feel that at this early stage the worst case scenario assumption is a bit hasty. But at the end of the day, the mother made her decision which would have been better for the dad and son anyway. Best of luck to the dad though, I hope that his family will be very supportive of him.

I love how the responses to this are either of the extremes available here. "Monsters" or "Humane decisions". The truth isn't that simple. Raising a kid is a life long commitment normally, sure you don't have to clothe and feed a normal kid past 20 usually, and you might not have to do that forever with certain levels of downs either, maybe being able to set them up for some form of individuality by their 30's or so. But what it comes down to is, would you really want a person who ups and runs from these situations to have to commit to such a huge commitment? They're not going to go for it with all their heart, which is what you need to take care of a kid with severe disabilities. You can't half ass that kind of shit, you can somewhat get away with half assing parenting a normal kid, but not a disabled child. I sympathize with the mother because she's just running from something that is scarier than many of you who attack her may realize. But I also feel terrible because I sympathize with the dad quite heavily. There is no "Right" option here, and the quicker some of you judgemental folks get that in your heads, the better. There is no "right" way to approach these situations and demonizing people because they don't do what you think you might possibly do is stupid and arrogant.

[QUOTE=ExplosiveCheese;47094455]Still though, as some here have already said. There isn't really a guarantee that downs syndrome = fucked life. Some can lead very proficient lives with it and some can't. When I volunteered at a home for the disabled, the home itself had a small gift shop/store where they could learn basic money/management and inventory skills and in the next room after that, there was a bunch of computer stations set up for those who wished to pursue careers in software development, web design, photoshop or whatever involved computer sciences. It was a pretty cool experience, actually. I just feel that at this early stage the worst case scenario assumption is a bit hasty. But at the end of the day, the mother made her decision which would have been better for the dad and son anyway. Best of luck to the dad though, I hope that his family will be very supportive of him.[/QUOTE] Downs Syndrome specifically is grounds for a lot of debate since unlike some other conditions it's not a death sentence, for a lot of reasons people have already said - but the guy didn't mention down's syndrome at all and outright said that aborting any fetus for [I]any[/I] defect, even a really harsh life-destroying one, is eugenics regardless, which is dumb and highly generalizing.

[QUOTE=AK'z;47084388]I think it's people's obligations to look out for family that's just my viewpoint.[/QUOTE] Careful with that generalization there.

My half brother has Downs. Trust me, its not easy. At all. I understand her decision completely With that said I hope the mother chooses to at least have some role in the kids life.

Can't really judge her, though divorcing her husband was harsh. I do understand that raising any special-needs child can be an emotionally and physically draining experience, however, with a lot of costs involved and so on.