Afghan President Confirms United States is in Peace Talks with Taliban - Polidicks

[QUOTE=JDK721;30553842]what[/QUOTE] Forget it. I'll explain next time you get a mountain of boxes. Back to the thread subject! [editline]18th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=yaik9a;30553823]You don't get total war do you.[/QUOTE] You don't get common sense do you.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;30553873]Forget it. I'll explain next time you get a mountain of boxes. Back to the thread subject! [editline]18th June 2011[/editline] You don't get common sense do you.[/QUOTE] Total war is when every ounce of resource and media is turned to the war effort, it is often compared to large front lines, artillery pounding and bombing of cities and notable wars that where total war were WW1 and WW2.

please stop posting yaika....

[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;30554284]please stop posting yaika....[/QUOTE] No you stop posting.

[QUOTE=yaik9a;30554299]No you stop posting.[/QUOTE] you're the one advocating genocide

[QUOTE=JDK721;30554710]you're the one advocating genocide[/QUOTE] I do believe in evacuating those that are loyal, genocide is me advocating the extermination of the afghan people, my method would just result in civilian damage.

People take Yaika seriously? What the Hell happened when I was gone.

This is very good news, about a damn time things are solved with words instead of bombs.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;30556335]People take Yaika seriously? What the Hell happened when I was gone.[/QUOTE] DO people take you seriously, you have no idea about what happens in the world or practical ways to stop it.

Haven't they pretty much been in perpetual peace talk since the invasion? It's not the first time they are at least.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;30552175]what are you even trying to convey here? i literally cannot understand what youre trying to say[/QUOTE] Well obviously the Taliban want the foreign control gone from Afghanistan. And the US don't really want to be there, and would rather give the Afghan army control, etc, etc. But I can't see in anyway this being 'peace'. The Taliban hate the US right? So they would still be an enemy. So what I'm saying is, it's probably not a peace talk in that sense.

I hope all goes well, I really do. [QUOTE=Madman_Andre;30551098]ITT: Kopimi trolls Facepunch.[/QUOTE] What the hells ITT? you mean ITI?

The Taliban wasn't always an enemy. We helped them out with weapons training, and arms trades when the USSR was invading Afghanistan back in the 80s. We shouldn't be in peace talks.. but maybe just ask them to bother someone else. We all know our lifestyles greatly differ, and so many nations and civilizations, empires to city states all had their differences in lifestyles. Why start trouble now, unless they're all jelly because they don't get nice shit like us.

[QUOTE=J!NX;30566022]I hope all goes well, I really do. What the hells ITT? you mean ITI?[/QUOTE] In this thread

[QUOTE=yaik9a;30562317]DO people take you seriously, you have no idea about what happens in the world or practical ways to stop it.[/QUOTE] Yeah, who knew that bombing people and supporting totalitarian regimes makes people happy. :downs:

America should just do F12 and type in "Neville". Then the enemy will agree to any peace treaty.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;30552797] Winning wars is about having more and better artillery than the opposing side. (And a powerful economy to mass produce the artillery, and to maintain them. Artillery being anything from railway guns to trench mortars)[/QUOTE] Uh no, winning wars is about destroying the enemy as a fighting force. You can have the best artillery in the world, if your unit is routed and there's no rearguard, your artillery won't save you. [QUOTE=Kopimi;30550849]americas brutal involvement in afghanistan...of the americans who are harassing them and killing their children.[/QUOTE] Ah yes, the famous exclamation that ISAF soldiers are specifically given orders to be "brutal", harass the natives and massacre children, [I]specifically[/I] children. Kudos on your third-rate know-how on the war in Aghanistan sir.

[QUOTE=LiquidNazgul;30566819]Uh no, winning wars is about destroying the enemy as a fighting force. You can have the best artillery in the world, if your unit is routed and there's no rearguard, your artillery won't save you.[/QUOTE] Nonsense, le emperor Napoleon will lead us to victory with his many artillery. Till Wellington hides behind a hill that is.

[QUOTE=LiquidNazgul;30566819]Uh no, winning wars is about destroying the enemy as a fighting force. You can have the best artillery in the world, if your unit is routed and there's no rearguard, your artillery won't save you. Ah yes, the famous exclamation that ISAF soldiers are specifically given orders to be "brutal", harass the natives and massacre children, [I]specifically[/I] children. Kudos on your third-rate know-how on the war in Aghanistan sir.[/QUOTE] never said that, just used an adjective to describe our involvement in afghanistan oh well, just keep pretending we're the good guys, its not like you'll be swayed by logic anytime soon

[QUOTE=LiquidNazgul;30566819]Uh no, winning wars is about destroying the enemy as a fighting force. You can have the best artillery in the world, if your unit is routed and there's no rearguard, your artillery won't save you. Ah yes, the famous exclamation that ISAF soldiers are specifically given orders to be "brutal", harass the natives and massacre children, [I]specifically[/I] children. Kudos on your third-rate know-how on the war in Aghanistan sir.[/QUOTE] Good job putting words into his mouth. [editline]19th June 2011[/editline] kudos to you mr. i can't argue is point, so i'll make up my own.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;30567731]never said that, just used an adjective to describe our involvement in afghanistan oh well, just keep pretending we're the good guys, its not like you'll be swayed by logic anytime soon[/QUOTE] That was a pretty terrible adjective to use since it sounds an awful lot like you're implying US involvement is cruel and barbarous. So then we're the bad guys? I don't remember US soldiers using IEDs or suicide bombers to incite terror, or use civilians as shields.

[QUOTE=LiquidNazgul;30571252]That was a pretty terrible adjective to use since it sounds an awful lot like you're implying US involvement is cruel and barbarous. So then we're the bad guys? I don't remember US soldiers using IEDs or suicide bombers to incite terror, or use civilians as shields.[/QUOTE] yeah we are the bad guys we have no business in their country and we've been lied to time and time again to rally support for the destruction of the middle east while simultaneously building insurmountable debt at home remember that whole 'WMD' thing? i bet you sure were excited to go shoot brown people since they had nukes, then ol' bush walks up to the podium and lets us know that, "oops! there were no WMDs". but that couldnt possibly sway your opinion of our country because youre ignorant and your primary source of self esteem is knowing that you live in a country that is able to fuck with everyone else. so tell me: what have we accomplished over there? what are we AIMING to accomplish?

[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;30537351]This should have been done a decade ago. A lot of things should have been done a decade ago. It's about time we just up and told them "Whatever happens over here is none of our business." It's a shitty region but mucking around in it clearly doesn't do any good for either side, if those people want to make a better life they need to take it for themselves. Tunisia, Egypt and Libya are giving it a shot, so can Afghanistan and Iraq if they wanted to.[/QUOTE] That's crap. You (as Americans) created or at least greatly increased the problem of the Taliban and the Mujahideen and it is utterly and completely your responsibility to stop it. Afganistan did not fuck up Afganistan, the Cold War did. It wasn't perfect before that, no, but hell at least it wasn't branded a "shitty region" and people didn't want to abandon it for the primary reason of saving money.

[QUOTE=Denicide;30571500]That's crap. You (as Americans) created or at least greatly increased the problem of the Taliban and the Mujahideen and it is utterly and completely your responsibility to stop it. Afganistan did not fuck up Afganistan, the Cold War did. It wasn't perfect before that, no, but hell at least it wasn't branded a "shitty region" and people didn't want to abandon it for the primary reason of saving money.[/QUOTE] i agree that a lot of the talibans growth is americas fault (considering we trained them), but its an unwinnable war, and our attempts to clean up our mess will just be met with an even bigger mess.

It's unwinnable as a war of guns but if you focus on diplomacy and encouraging the Afgan economy's growth you can win it through making Afganistan a better place than when you came to it. Hell, if we're lucky in 20 years it'll be a better place than when the Shah left it.

[QUOTE=Denicide;30571677]It's unwinnable as a war of guns but if you focus on diplomacy and encouraging the Afgan economy's growth you can win it through making Afganistan a better place than when you came to it. Hell, if we're lucky in 20 years it'll be a better place than when the Shah left it.[/QUOTE] well put :golfclap:

[QUOTE=Kopimi;30571470]yeah we are the bad guys we have no business in their country and we've been lied to time and time again to rally support for the destruction of the middle east while simultaneously building insurmountable debt at home remember that whole 'WMD' thing? i bet you sure were excited to go shoot brown people since they had nukes, then ol' bush walks up to the podium and lets us know that, "oops! there were no WMDs". but that couldnt possibly sway your opinion of our country because youre ignorant and your primary source of self esteem is knowing that you live in a country that is able to fuck with everyone else. so tell me: what have we accomplished over there? what are we AIMING to accomplish?[/QUOTE] That's not the point. Why the US is in Afghanistan, what we're trying to accomplish, is irrelevant. The fact is you don't see ISAF soldiers using terror tactics to complete objectives, or lopping off heads in the name of a twisted form of Islam. The ISAF's presence in Afghanistan might have been unjustified or not, but it's sure as hell not like the Taliban regime. That's the only problem I had with your use of "brutal". Unfair occupation? Unjustified? Maybe, but it's not brutal.

[QUOTE=LiquidNazgul;30571938]That's not the point. [b]Why the US is in Afghanistan, what we're trying to accomplish, is irrelevant.[/b] The fact is you don't see ISAF soldiers using terror tactics to complete objectives, or lopping off heads in the name of a twisted form of Islam. The ISAF's presence in Afghanistan might have been unjustified or not, but it's sure as hell not like the Taliban regime. That's the only problem I had with your use of "brutal". Unfair occupation? Unjustified? Maybe, but it's not brutal.[/QUOTE] AHAHAHAHAHA oh wow thanks, you're making this wayyyy too easy for me i'll listen to your pathetic reasons as to why "brutal" is a bad word to use, as soon as you pull your head out of your ass and think logically the reasoning has EVERYTHING to do with it what if our reason for invading was because we hated muslims? thatd be a pretty big factor, wouldn't it?

[QUOTE=Kopimi;30572084]AHAHAHAHAHA oh wow thanks, you're making this wayyyy too easy for me i'll listen to your pathetic reasons as to why "brutal" is a bad word to use, as soon as you pull your head out of your ass and think logically the reasoning has EVERYTHING to do with it what if our reason for invading was because we hated muslims? thatd be a pretty big factor, wouldn't it?[/QUOTE] Jesus Christmas do you not comprehend why I said that? I wasn't implying whether justification is needed for military action or not. No shit it's needed. I said that it doesn't matter what reason the West invaded for. That has nothing to do with the issue of your terminology. The only thing I've ever been arguing about was your description of the ISAF occupation as brutal. Not whether justification is needed or not, or whether the reasons given were right or wrong.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;30537156]I'm more surprised that the Taliban are actually willing to listen to anything we have to say.[/QUOTE] I think both sides were beaten up and the USA was simply breaking the ice so they could have the peace talks.