[QUOTE=snuwoods;16793729]Oh, the (non)sense in this forum - not the quote above, but those who created the deluge of dumbs for it.
All these atheist chauvinists don't realize that Christianity is not [i]evil[/i], for those that decide to profess a belief in God/Christ/Buddha/etc. actually do learn to be a peaceful, upstanding citizen.
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Has anyone else actually considered the Bible to be a great text for historical and world views?
The Bible really did have a profound effect on society and the lashbacks in Europe, etc.
Your fundamental disagreement does not abrogate its value.[/QUOTE]
Christianity teaches that one should avoid feeding their indulgences, that sex for pleasure is wrong, that its shameful to want things for yourself, these are all things that bring us pleasure, things that for a conscious being are of the utmost importance.
Contrairy as to what many people have been indoctrinated to belive, there is no great virtue it making a martyr of oneself through the starvation of ones desires and the cultivation of deep personal shame and guilt.
I can think of no thing more evil than to attempt to force a life of miserable hypocritical self-deceit upon a human.
The thing that bothers me most about Christianity is the image of the devil. Its pretty much a satyr or a fawn, a representation of the animalistic Pre-Christian European religions. It very much botheres me that this ancient Italian tactic of attempting to make devils of the gods of the people their trying to convert has carried over into the modern day.
It really makes me wonder if many of these religious people in north america and the united kingdom would be so fanatical about Christianity if they were more aware of the fact that it is the religion of invaders , forced upon them and usurping their true culture, much like what was done to the aboriginals.
[QUOTE=lazyguy;16790524]I didn't know religion was against the constitution.[/QUOTE]
Recognizing a religion on a government level is against the constitution. It is against the first amendment.
[QUOTE=Parky;16793311]he's swedish you twit[/QUOTE]
:rolleye: Oh boo fuckity whoo.
Next time, don't make asshole comments.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;16788865]I'm usually the first to jump all over Christianity and say how shit it is, but maybe not this time.
In school, I learned about the norse gods, the greek gods, the roman gods, and all sorts of other mythologies and legends throughout history. I didn't bitch about that. I can't think of any rational reason why teaching the legends of Christianity is any worse.[/QUOTE]
That's because those gods actually spawned good literature. :v:
[QUOTE=Lankist;16794718]Recognizing a religion on a government level is against the constitution. It is against the first amendment.[/QUOTE]
That's cheating you called the first amendment that means you automatically win because everyone loves the first amendment so you automatically lose.
I don't believe in forcing religion and the like, but I myself am a christian, and I believe in God. As for the stoning people to death, I believe the bible has been altered by those who, well, thought it was ok to add it. Plus, times change. It was appropriate then, but not anymore.
[QUOTE=MirageKnight;16800096]I don't believe in forcing religion and the like, but I myself am a christian, and I believe in God. As for the stoning people to death, I believe the bible has been altered by those who, well, thought it was ok to add it. Plus, times change. It was appropriate then, but not anymore.[/QUOTE]
The entire bible is not appropriate now.
[QUOTE=MirageKnight;16800096]I don't believe in forcing religion and the like, but I myself am a christian, and I believe in God. As for the stoning people to death, I believe the bible has been altered by those who, well, thought it was ok to add it. Plus, times change. It was appropriate then, but not anymore.[/QUOTE]
so if you admit the book you base your life on has been altered what's the point of following anything?
i don't get this logic, if you admit things have been altered how can you know what to believe?
[QUOTE=MirageKnight;16800096]I don't believe in forcing religion and the like, but I myself am a christian, and I believe in God. As for the stoning people to death, I believe the bible has been altered by those who, well, thought it was ok to add it. Plus, times change. It was appropriate then, but not anymore.[/QUOTE]
If you can just dismiss shit you don't like on a whim what sort of authority does the Bible have left?
[QUOTE=MirageKnight;16800096]I don't believe in forcing religion and the like, but I myself am a christian, and I believe in God. As for the stoning people to death, I believe the bible has been altered by those who, well, thought it was ok to add it. Plus, times change. It was appropriate then, but not anymore.[/QUOTE]
Congratulations, your beliefs are entirely inconsistent. You may escort yourself to the door now.
and that is how you do it.
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good night everybody
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I'm glad I don't live in Texas then where religion is forced upon you.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;16801858]The entire bible is not appropriate now.[/QUOTE]
Not even Thou Shalt Not Kill?
[QUOTE=lazyguy;16802599]Not even Thou Shalt Not Kill?[/QUOTE]
You realize that the vast majority of the commandments have to do with bullshit we don't condone anymore, right?
You think the idea of not-murder came from the fucking Bible?
[QUOTE=lazyguy;16802599]Not even Thou Shalt Not Kill?[/QUOTE]
Given the actions of mainstream Chirstianity over the years, that was the first idea to go out the window.
Well I for one think it's a good idea. I just don't see why it couldn't have been studied along with [i]Moby Dick[/i], [i]Little Women[/i] and other classic pieces of fiction.
Let's lay out the basic 10 commandments shall we?
1: I am the Lord your God, you shall have no Gods before me.
Well we don't really condone that shit do we?
2: You shall not fashion an idol or image of the heavens
Pretty sure we allow that
3: Do not take the Lord's name in vain
Well goddamn jesus sodomy
4: Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy
Well I guess that's one of those jew commandments even though Christians still reference it and yet do not follow it
5: Honor your father and your mother
No laws about that
6: Do not murder.
That's one overlap so far.
7: Do not commit adultery (defined as premarital sex)
Not a law.
8: Do not steal
That's two overlaps
9: Do not bear false witness
That's SORT OF three, even though we use a similar idea in courts the commandments weren't written with courts in mind and we use a similar idea for entirely different reasons. Divinity was never considered in the criminalization of any form of fraud. I'll give you a half of an overlap for this one.
10: Do not covet your neighbor's property (wife included)
Whelp, that certainly isn't in law.
So, basically if we dismiss EVERY OTHER FORM OF LAW that came BEFORE the commandments, completely ignore the Hammurabi Code which shared almost identical laws and pre-dates the commandments by centuries and was not rooted in divinity, you end up with the 10 Commandments being followed 2.5/10 of the time.
Hardly a holy influence. It seems to me as though it is entirely coincidence that there is ANY overlap at all.
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[QUOTE=Splurgy;16802859]Well I for one think it's a good idea. I just don't see why it couldn't have been studied along with [i]Moby Dick[/i], [i]Little Women[/i] and other classic pieces of fiction.[/QUOTE]
Then let's study the Koran, the Torah and the Buddhist and Hindu literature as well.
I agree with Lankist.
everyone agrees with me they just don't always know they do
I sort of agree with you, Lankist.*
Although, who here has looked at the similarities between the Jewish/Christian/Islamic story of Creation and what we know to be true about early Earth. It's pretty long, so I won't point it out for you, but remember these things while reading it.
1)Do not take the word "Day" literally.
2)It never explains how it happens.
3)Take it from the perspective of the surface of the Earth.
4)The word "Fowl" means anything that flies, including bugs. Not just birds.
*Not one of Lankist's alts
I don't have any alts.
[QUOTE=Lankist;16802875]Then let's study the Koran, the Torah and the Buddhist and Hindu literature as well.[/QUOTE]
As if Texas is going to approve of that.
[QUOTE=Billiam;16804315]As if Texas is going to approve of that.[/QUOTE]
If the logic they used doesn't apply universally it doesn't apply to the Bible.
[QUOTE=ASmellyOgre;16804183]
1)Do not take the word "Day" literally.
2)It never explains how it happens.
3)Take it from the perspective of the surface of the Earth.
4)The word "Fowl" means anything that flies, including bugs. Not just birds.
[/QUOTE]
here's a tip for you
1.) you have absolutely no perspective on how it's meant to be taken
How's the thread going guys?
I'm gonna go ahead and bring up that "why does everyone hate Texas?" thread, if anything, this is the reason.
[QUOTE=ASmellyOgre;16804183]It's pretty long, so I won't point it out for you, but remember these things while reading it.
1)Do not take the word "Day" literally.
2)It never explains how it happens.
3)Take it from the perspective of the surface of the Earth.
4)The word "Fowl" means anything that flies, including bugs. Not just birds.
[/QUOTE]
How do you know the guys who wrote the bible didn't just gather up to try and condense as much bullshit into one book as possible?
We don't know what they intended.
[QUOTE=MirageKnight;16800096]I don't believe in forcing religion and the like, but I myself am a christian, and I believe in God. As for the stoning people to death, I believe the bible has been altered by those who, well, thought it was ok to add it. Plus, times change. It was appropriate then, but not anymore.[/QUOTE]
That the word of an almighty being from whom all morality derives is subject to the times is moral relativism pretending to be religion.
Why not just teach a fucking history class? You can see what religion has done to the world that way.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;16807055]That the word of an almighty being from whom all morality derives is subject to the times is moral relativism pretending to be religion.[/QUOTE]
Nothin' wrong with a bit of moral relativism.
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