Dragon's Crown already sold out in Japan at release week
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[QUOTE=Wizards Court;41657276]show me, where they're wrong
i meant they consider the western tendency to glorify being buff as manly to be ridiciulous, not that they won't use buff dudes at all.[/QUOTE]
Show me where I'm wrong? This can go back and forth forever. Make a point, don't just wave at a link and say "that proves you wrong".
[editline]31st July 2013[/editline]
and again, you're making a lot of claims of absolute knowledge when it comes to what entire genders and countries think.
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;41657239]the parody is ABOUT north star, not done by north star artist, the equivalent would be to have someone make art mocking dragon's crown artist.
[url]http://eschergirls.tumblr.com/post/50005631043/psdo-sexism-is-over-parody-redraws-of-the[/url]
like this[/QUOTE]
[t]https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/9c850db6f1db3bfb071ffc000942a47d/tumblr_mmhwfpEojc1qjfdczo2_r1_1280.jpg[/t]
makes absolutely no sense because he's supposed to be the big tanky character loaded with armor.
[t]https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/5a46b8265734d5a378caa74ee8f72db7/tumblr_mmhwfpEojc1qjfdczo3_1280.jpg[/t]
doesn't fit the character at all.
[t]https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/b3237cf310a3ae280b294ac7057522d7/tumblr_mmhwfpEojc1qjfdczo1_r1_1280.jpg[/t]
he was wearing almost nothing before and they seriously couldn't think of anything to do so they just gave him a huge dick and stuck him in an even more revealing outfit and pierced nips because why not lol xD
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;41657309]Show me where I'm wrong? This can go back and forth forever. Make a point, don't just wave at a link and say "that proves you wrong".[/QUOTE]
dude, we're talking about a subject thats pretty complicated, sometimes a huge wall of text is part of the answer.
[QUOTE=JustGman;41657325][t]https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/9c850db6f1db3bfb071ffc000942a47d/tumblr_mmhwfpEojc1qjfdczo2_r1_1280.jpg[/t]
makes absolutely no sense because he's supposed to be the big tanky character loaded with armor.
[t]https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/5a46b8265734d5a378caa74ee8f72db7/tumblr_mmhwfpEojc1qjfdczo3_1280.jpg[/t]
doesn't fit the character at all.
[t]https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/b3237cf310a3ae280b294ac7057522d7/tumblr_mmhwfpEojc1qjfdczo1_r1_1280.jpg[/t]
they literally couldn't think of anything to do so they just gave him a huge dick and stuck him in a really gay outfit.[/QUOTE]
that's not a parody, that's just the evil wizard from Fire and Ice
[img]http://schlocktreatment.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Fire_and_Ice-300x220.png[/img]
[QUOTE=JustGman;41657325][t]https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/9c850db6f1db3bfb071ffc000942a47d/tumblr_mmhwfpEojc1qjfdczo2_r1_1280.jpg[/t]
makes absolutely no sense because he's supposed to be the big tanky character loaded with armor..[/QUOTE]
welcome to RPG female character 101
[quote][t]https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/5a46b8265734d5a378caa74ee8f72db7/tumblr_mmhwfpEojc1qjfdczo3_1280.jpg[/t]
doesn't fit the character at all.
[/QUOTE] why sorcerer fits then?
[QUOTE][t]https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/b3237cf310a3ae280b294ac7057522d7/tumblr_mmhwfpEojc1qjfdczo1_r1_1280.jpg[/t]
they literally couldn't think of anything to do so they just gave him a huge dick and stuck him in a really gay outfit.[/QUOTE]
how does sorcerer having ridiculously gigantic boobs makes sense? or amazon with a bikini sticking on her ass makes sense then?
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;41657333]that's not a parody, that's just the evil wizard from Fire and Ice
[img]http://schlocktreatment.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Fire_and_Ice-300x220.png[/img][/QUOTE]
the wizard from fire and ice isn't using a garter belt through, or having stuff stuck in his ass. lol
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;41657327]dude, we're talking about a subject thats pretty complicated, sometimes a huge wall of text is part of the answer.[/QUOTE]
Then type it out yourself.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;41657336]Then type it out yourself.[/QUOTE]
i'm not going to create a carbon copy of what has been already written just for your convience lol, read.
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;41657341]i'm not going to create a carbon copy of what has been already written just for your convience lol, read.[/QUOTE]
Okay then, two can play at that game.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parody[/url]
Prove this wrong.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;41657358]Okay then, two can play at that game.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parody[/url]
Prove this wrong.[/QUOTE]
"A parody (/ˈpærədi/; also called spoof, send-up or lampoon), in current use, is an imitative work created to mock, comment on or trivialise[citation needed] an original work, its subject, author, style, or some other target, by means of satiric or ironic imitation"
how sorcerer looks ironic in any way, if she acts, dresses, and overall is identical to every other thing she is supposed to be mocking? your turn.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;41657358]Okay then, two can play at that game.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parody[/url]
Prove this wrong.[/QUOTE]
anyone can edit wikipedia, duh
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;41657372]"A parody (/ˈpærədi/; also called spoof, send-up or lampoon), in current use, is an imitative work created to mock, comment on or trivialise[citation needed] an original work, its subject, author, style, or some other target, by means of satiric or ironic imitation"
how sorcerer looks ironic in any way, if she acts, dresses, and overall is identical to every other thing she is supposed to be mocking? your turn.[/QUOTE]
do you know what the word "caricature" means
and did you know that caricature is a common method of mockery, and by extension parody
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;41657372]"A parody (/ˈpærədi/; also called spoof, send-up or lampoon), in current use, is an imitative work created to mock, comment on or trivialise[citation needed] an original work, its subject, author, style, or some other target, by means of satiric or ironic imitation"
how sorcerer looks ironic in any way, if she acts, dresses, and overall is identical to every other thing she is supposed to be mocking? your turn.[/QUOTE]
i think that everything else in the game world being over the top and super exaggerated as well as the sorceress herself lends to parody. she has a foot of cleavage for christs sake
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;41657389]do you know what the word "caricature" means
and did you know that caricature is a common method of mockery, and by extension parody[/QUOTE]
in order to be a caricature, you must at least employ mockery in a way, there is none here, she is literally identical to every other beautiful and nice women you see so much in japanese media, there is no difference, this isn't caricature.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;41657392]i think that everything else in the game world being over the top and super exaggerated as well as the sorceress herself lends to parody. she has a foot of cleavage for christs sake[/QUOTE]
which is rather common in japanese anime for instance, thus not an really an exception.
not sure what you're playing but i think that her features are pretty fucking exaggerated compared to the norm
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;41657402]in order to be a caricature, you must at least employ mockery in a way, there is none here, she is literally identical to every other beautiful and nice women you see so much in japanese media, there is no difference, this isn't caricature.
which is rather common in japanese anime for instance, thus not an really an exception.[/QUOTE]
Even more common in Japanese anime are flat chested and realistically proportioned characters.
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;41657402]in order to be a caricature, you must at least employ mockery in a way, there is none here, she is literally identical to every other beautiful and nice women you see so much in japanese media, there is no difference, this isn't caricature.[/QUOTE]
Except she isn't a caricature of popular japanese media. She's a caricature of 2d fantasy hack and slash characters from the 90's.
If you could find me a character identical to the sorceress from one of those, that would be splendid.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;41657404]not sure what you're playing but i think that her features are pretty fucking exaggerated compared to the norm[/QUOTE]
taki, sophitia, ivy from soul calibur
the entire DOA women cast
lets not even get into anime which is pretty common too.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;41657423]Except she isn't a caricature of popular japanese media. She's a caricature of 2d fantasy hack and slash characters from the 90's.
If you could find me a character identical to the sorceress from one of those, that would be splendid.[/QUOTE]
except she was done by a japanese, FOR a mostly japanese crowd, saying its a parody is just a smart way of deflecting criticism, while playing to the same tropes they already do anyway.
and it worked perfectly, gotta hand it to them, they're pretty smart.
edit: btw man you want to see an actual legit parody of that? watch slayers, and see the character naga the serpent, she is a walking parody of that, and a good one.
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;41657402]which is rather common in japanese anime for instance, thus not an really an exception.[/QUOTE]
Find me an example of a character from a widely accepted anime that looks identical to the sorceress from Dragon's Crown.
What video game characters look like is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things because they effectively exist in a vaccum. A character is supposed to have chosen what they wear and how they act by their own free will, hence the existence of canon. Their choices would be judged heavily in the real world but that's why the real world is different. And real humans understand, at least to an extent, that when a character exists in a universe built on different rules, that character cannot be seamlessly placed into the real world.
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;41657425]taki, sophitia, ivy from soul calibur
the entire DOA women cast
lets not even get into anime which is pretty common too.[/QUOTE]
if this were a parody of those games, then yeah. but as scorpio said this is a parody of 2d hack n slash. just because the game devs are japanese doesn't mean that everything they ever do needs to be 100% japanese
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;41657425]taki, sophitia, ivy from soul calibur
the entire DOA women cast
lets not even get into anime which is pretty common too.
except she was done by a japanese, FOR a mostly japanese crowd, saying its a parody is just a smart way of deflecting criticism, while playing to the same tropes they already do anyway.
and it worked perfectly, gotta hand it to them, they're pretty smart.[/QUOTE]
None of those characters have even half the proportions of the sorceress. They have big tits, yeah, but nothing approaching five times the mass of their head.
Mainly because boobs that big are really weird looking and not particularly attractive to the majority of people.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;41657435]Find me an example of a character from a widely accepted anime that looks identical to the sorceress from Dragon's Crown.[/QUOTE]
the witch of queen's blade(one of the main villains) is even worse for instance.
[IMG]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120330070917/queensblade/images/1/15/Welveria.jpg[/IMG]
yes, this is an anime.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;41657453]None of those characters have even half the proportions of the sorceress. They have big tits, yeah, but nothing approaching five times the mass of their head.
Mainly because boobs that big are really weird looking and not particularly attractive to the majority of people.[/QUOTE]
what? sophitia breasts are larger than HER head
[IMG]http://main.makeuseoflimited.netdna-cdn.com/tech-fun/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/videogamesexevolution.jpg?54b313[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;41657465]the witch of queen's blade(one of the main villains) is even worse for instance.
[IMG]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120330070917/queensblade/images/1/15/Welveria.jpg[/IMG]
yes, this is an anime.[/QUOTE]
Queens Blade is soft-verging on hard-core porn that enjoys a faithful though ultimately niche audience. I specifically stated "widely accepted" for a reason.
And even THEN her boobs are still smaller.
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;41657425]
edit: btw man you want to see an actual legit parody of that? watch slayers, and see the character [B]naga the serpent[/B], she is a walking parody of that, and a good one.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/ViiiaeW.jpg[/IMG]
how is it that one is a parody and the other is falling into trope?
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;41657475]Queens Blade is soft-verging on hard-core porn that enjoys a faithful though ultimately niche audience. I specifically stated "widely accepted" for a reason.
And even THEN her boobs are still smaller.[/QUOTE]
its not niche, considering it got several seasons and OVAs, it did extremely well, and was well accepted in japan.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;41657481][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/ViiiaeW.jpg[/IMG]
how is it that one is a parody and the other is falling into trope?[/QUOTE]
because of how she acts, her antics, and the situations the anime puts her, constantly derides the idea of a ridiculously buxom sorcerer.
she is one of the funniest part of the slayers.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;41657481][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/ViiiaeW.jpg[/IMG]
how is it that one is a parody and the other is falling into trope?[/QUOTE]
because he said so
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;41657465]what? sophitia breasts are larger than HER head
[IMG]http://main.makeuseoflimited.netdna-cdn.com/tech-fun/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/videogamesexevolution.jpg?54b313[/IMG][/QUOTE]
[img_thumb]http://gamerhorizon.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Dragons-Crown-Round-Table.jpg[/img_thumb]
Still smaller proportionally and dimensionally than the sorceress.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;41657485][img_thumb]http://gamerhorizon.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Dragons-Crown-Round-Table.jpg[/img_thumb]
Still smaller proportionally and dimensionally than the sorceress.[/QUOTE]
honestly its just a bit, but its pretty close.
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;41657483]its not niche, considering it got several seasons and OVAs, it did extremely well, and was well accepted in japan.[/QUOTE]
I'm not here to explain the economics of anime, nor the boons that having an audience of dedicated otaku grants.
Queens Blade caters to a niche. A niche with money, but a niche nonetheless.
And yeah, well accepted? No. Not even close.
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[QUOTE=Wizards Court;41657496]honestly its just a bit, but its pretty close.[/QUOTE]
You could fit the sorceress's head into her tits five times over with room to spare. That isn't "close".
What the fuck is going on in this thread
Did it really get derailed from sales numbers to Japan having gender inequality in their artwork when not only does it happen all across the world, but plenty of female artists over there do so voluntarily?
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