US anti-Trump protesters facing decades behind bars - Polidicks

[QUOTE=sgman91;52310619]As far as I can tell, no one got arrested for peacefully protesting in a legal way. There's no evidence presented in the article about it, anyway. I also don't see any evidence presented about people being charged with the rioting offenses while having no part of it.[/QUOTE] Not including the journalists who were only documenting the protests, I assume? There was no evidence here. The police cordoned off a large area and arrested everybody inside it. While many of those in that area may have been rioting, many others likely weren't. The problem with this style of mass policing (IE- you're guilty just by being present) is that it's roping in innocent people based on [B]nothing[/B] but proximity. These are people who could have just been peacefully protesting, or potentially not even protesting [I]at all[/I], as with the journalists. Now, these people are having multiple felony charges of rioting, inciting riots, etc thrown at them, and could,[I] potentially[/I], now spend [B]the rest of their lives in prison.[/B] That's pretty damn significant. Yes, yes, "that's not how sentencing works, blah blah blah, it will probably not happen." Well, it wouldn't be the first time somebody in the United States got an absurdly long prison sentence for a nonviolent crime with limited actual evidence of guilt, would it?

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52310637]Not including the journalists who were only documenting the protests, I assume? There was no evidence here. The police cordoned off a large area and arrested everybody inside it. While many of those in that area may have been rioting, many others likely weren't. The problem with this style of mass policing (IE- you're guilty just by being present) is that it's roping in innocent people based on [B]nothing[/B] but proximity. These are people who could have just been peacefully protesting, or potentially not even protesting [I]at all[/I], as with the journalists. Now, these people are having multiple felony charges of rioting, inciting riots, etc thrown at them, and could,[I] potentially[/I], now spend [B]the rest of their lives in prison.[/B] That's pretty damn significant. Yes, yes, "that's not how sentencing works, blah blah blah, it will probably not happen." Well, it wouldn't be the first time somebody in the United States got an absurdly long prison sentence for a nonviolent crime with limited actual evidence of guilt, would it?[/QUOTE] Who are these journalists? The article says nothing more than that single word. In fact, this other article states that the charges were dropped against the so called "journalists." ([url]https://www.abqjournal.com/969079/judge-rules-on-evidence-in-inauguration-riot-cases.html[/url]) The entire narrative about everyone, even people not at all participating in the riot or mob, in a block getting arrested is based on the words of a single person currently being charged. Remember that this was a "block bloc" mob where those participating were purposefully wearing black clothing and covering their faces. They were roaming around with the intent to cause damage. They weren't just walking down a street in the middle of a peaceful protest.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;52310042]Hey, how about that right to peaceful protest? Remember how important that is?[/QUOTE] Right to protest, not right to smash shops, deface buildings, burn cars, and attack police officers.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;52310656]Right to protest, not right to smash shops, deface buildings, burn cars, and attack police officers.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=elixwhitetail;52310042][QUOTE=froztshock;52310005]Not to mention it sounds like a lot of people who just happened to be [I]there[/I] got caught up in a lot of those charges...[/QUOTE] Hey, how about that right to peaceful protest? Remember how important that is? Under this administration, I feel you Americans are [I]actually[/I] going to have to defend it. Under past presidents, even Bush and the post-9/11 erosion of liberties, I'd consider anyone saying this as just being hyperbolic, but this time, I believe and mean it.[/QUOTE] Siri, what is context?

[QUOTE=sgman91;52310651]Who are these journalists? The article says nothing more than that single word. In fact, this other article states that the charges were dropped against the so called "journalists." ([url]https://www.abqjournal.com/969079/judge-rules-on-evidence-in-inauguration-riot-cases.html[/url]) The entire narrative about everyone, even people not at all participating in the riot or mob, in a block getting arrested is based on the words of a single person currently being charged. Remember that this was a "block bloc" mob where those participating were purposefully wearing black clothing and covering their faces. They were roaming around with the intent to cause damage. They weren't just walking down a street in the middle of a peaceful protest.[/QUOTE] Wow I wonder why they were wearing masks not to be identified, it's almost as if US protesters these days are being subjected to vicious snooping by reactionaries online at a time where it's being made illegal to protest. I'm sure that indiscriminately rounding up people who take part or stand near riots will encourage people to stop masking up /s With that said I'll grant you that America has the shittiest black bloc tactics. If you forego class discourse and organization all you're gonna end up with is edgy xteen year olds setting shit on fire and running away. J20 was a mess and was very easy to shut down. A good way to consolidate your right to protest as a black bloc is to coordinate with trade unions prior to mobilization, and march in tighter ranks. So far they definitely don't have what it takes to create a functional riot.

[QUOTE=Clovis;52310120]i'll go rioting, its okay, i'll only get a 1 year sentence, not a 80 year one, lets do it anyways[/QUOTE] Well, if you actually [I]read the fucking article[/I], you'd know that rioting gets you up to 10 years. Which is totally reasonable. Harsh, but not life-ruining. However, tagging three different forms of rioting and then destruction of property is charging a person five times for the same crime.

[QUOTE=Guriosity;52310498]Pleas bargin[/QUOTE] Even without them you're not going to get the maximum punishment. Especially with a jury

Surely 80 years for property damage would constitute going against the 8th Amendment Right? Right?!

[QUOTE=Code3Response;52310944]Even without them you're not going to get the maximum punishment. Especially with a jury[/QUOTE] I assume the time is ised for intimidation in either case. [editline]4th June 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Native Hunter;52311347]Surely 80 years for property damage would constitute going against the 8th Amendment Right? Right?![/QUOTE] No its for not giving a fuck about public opinion outside the leftist circle jerk. How many liberals warned left folks about acting all cray cray would bring bad results? Who listened? No one did. The public opinion has turned against the left. Get ready to reap the rewards. One cannot win without earning the consent of the masses. The left has done all it can to lose this consent.

[QUOTE=Riller;52310878]Well, if you actually [I]read the fucking article[/I], you'd know that rioting gets you up to 10 years. Which is totally reasonable. Harsh, but not life-ruining. However, tagging three different forms of rioting and then destruction of property is charging a person five times for the same crime.[/QUOTE] If they get competent lawyers and can convince a judge that they were tried for double (quintiple?) jeopardy, biiiig bucks at the taxpayer's expense. [URL="http://caselaw.findlaw.com/tn-supreme-court/1176486.html"]Tennessee thought they'd be clever and claw some money back from drug dealers and applied a big tax on seized illegal drugs on top of charging them for possession.[/URL] Oops, that's unconstitutional double jeopardy.

Jeopardy isn't in play here. [editline]4th June 2017[/editline] And that Tennessee case literally says it was because they couldn't classify the tax, not because of Jeopardy...

[QUOTE=Riller;52310878]Well, if you actually [I]read the fucking article[/I], you'd know that rioting gets you up to 10 years. Which is totally reasonable. Harsh, but not life-ruining. However, tagging three different forms of rioting and then destruction of property is charging a person five times for the same crime.[/QUOTE] Dunno how you do it in Denmark, but here in the USA [I]any sentence is life ruining[/I].

[QUOTE=Judas;52310419]You know what really happens under fascists when there isnt enough room in the prisons, right?[/QUOTE] Very, very good point and highly worrying. The only way to protest properly at some point will probably be going to be the ghandi way where everyone collectively stops going to work. Which is a form of peaceful protest. But that's not anytime soon yet Edit: just an afterthought, i didnt factor in automation which will hit us in a few decades and replace workers. Who knows, maybe the few will be able to oppress the many even further with the help of technology yay

[QUOTE=despo;52313540]Very, very good point and highly worrying. The only way to protest properly at some point will probably be going to be the ghandi way where everyone collectively stops going to work. Which is a form of peaceful protest. But that's not anytime soon yet Edit: just an afterthought, i didnt factor in automation which will hit us in a few decades and replace workers. Who knows, maybe the few will be able to oppress the many even further with the help of technology yay[/QUOTE] Everyone forgets humans will be modified with new tech. How that can be abused is any ones guess but is worth discussing. Also here is some advice. Stop seeing fascism every where you look. It makes you look worse then an evangelical who performs exorcisms on doorknobs and claims the devil is haunting their toast. It makes you look like a crazy instable person who can't get ahold of themselves. No, that isn't a good thing. No, it isn't helping. Just stop.

[QUOTE=Guriosity;52313578] Also here is some advice. Stop seeing fascism every where you look. It makes you look worse then an evangelical who performs exorcisms[/QUOTE] that's because im german lol. I agree one should not look for it in every little detail, but there is a difference for me between seeking it eveywhere you look and having a healthy amount of awareness about such matters.