Zach Avery, 4, Is Among Youngest In Britain To Be Diagnosed With Gender Identity Disorder (GID) - Polidicks

[img]http://puu.sh/hL54[/img] i'm a girl [highlight](User was banned for this post ("troll" - Lithifold))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Moupi;34798613][img]http://puu.sh/hL54[/img] i'm a girl[/QUOTE] it's a good thing kids are coded by what clothes they wear otherwise I wouldn't have a bloody clue as to their sex or gender [img]http://images.colourbox.com/thumb_COLOURBOX2263907.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Moupi;34798613][img]http://puu.sh/hL54[/img] i'm a girl[/QUOTE] Get out.

[QUOTE=Moupi;34798613][img]http://puu.sh/hL54[/img] i'm a girl[/QUOTE]omg your wit is so sharp im bleeding now

[QUOTE=Moupi;34798613][IMG]http://puu.sh/hL54[/IMG] i'm a girl[/QUOTE] Care to elaborate on this one?

[QUOTE=TheJoey;34792081]i remember when i was 4 and thought i was a frog.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Levithan;34792196]my brother wanted to grow up to be a rainbow[/QUOTE]Honestly, I was convinced from the ages of three to around the age of seven that I was some sort of machine operated by tiny little people inside me. While gender is something that's self-defined and is important, I'm not entirely sure actually diagnosing a four-year-old with something like this is a good idea. I'm the third person so far honest enough to reveal that, as children, we're fucking retards and come up with some crazy shit. Let the kid grow a bit before any decision is made, because in a year he/she might choose the much maligned "dinosaur" gender.

transgender threads on fp are like the new death penalty threads

I used to think I wanted to be a girl, but then I realized I'm just gay.

[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;34801470]transgender threads on fp are like the new death penalty threads[/QUOTE] Guess that'll be the theme for the next incoming idiot cull thread.

Just wait until he errect when a girl flirt on him when he gets older.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;34801300]Honestly, I was convinced from the ages of three to around the age of seven that I was some sort of machine operated by tiny little people inside me. While gender is something that's self-defined and is important, I'm not entirely sure actually diagnosing a four-year-old with something like this is a good idea. I'm the third person so far honest enough to reveal that, as children, we're fucking retards and come up with some crazy shit. Let the kid grow a bit before any decision is made, because in a year he/she might choose the much maligned "dinosaur" gender.[/QUOTE]You're not being honest, you're being ignorant.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;34801966]You're not being honest, you're being ignorant.[/QUOTE]No, I was being honest about my childhood. How, exactly, can I be ignorant regarding my own goddamn childhood? [editline]oh and[/editline] Plus there's always the fact that the child is FOUR YEARS OLD and nowhere near adulthood. That's sixteen years for the child to completely turn around and say "yeah, I'm not actually a girl." Or just not acknowledge that it even happened. Is it a real gender-identity crisis or something else? You're dealing with a four-year-old child who is not going to be 100% on the same level you are. There could be unseen motives, prompting an assertion of the female gender and voicing that assertion to everyone. Fuck, I wanted a barbie doll when I was a kid because the commercial looked super fucking cool, and I came up with "I want to pretend to be a girl," as an excuse I thought people would believe. My dad went through the roof, my mom was like, "lol, okay." Simply put, a four-year-old child, no matter how developed is not going to know shit about the world, themselves or anything really. Childhood is meant to be an adventure to discover all the things in life, including self-identity.

[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;34791870]Because your maturity defines your genes right?[/QUOTE] No...because at age 4 the brain is very young, and dosen't tend to make the most rational or thoughtful decisions.

at the age of four I was confident that I was a dude, so I trust this kid to be confident that they're a girl.

When I was in preschool, I knew this kid named Sam who had really responsible parents who recognized GID early on. I remember that she used to get really mad whenever anyone called her a boy or ratted on her for wearing stereotypically "girl" clothes. I really didn't mind what she was at the time, so we were pretty much best friends. I wish Zachy the best of luck, I imagine life can be hell when you're one of the "different kids."

[QUOTE=PelPix123;34803753]Except that gender identity is a product of the physical structure of the brain and has nothing to do with social learning or development. Various structural scans of male, female, and transsexual brains have strongly supported this conclusion This was further proven when they accidentally cut off a regular boy's penis during circumcision and decided to give him a sex-change and raise him as a girl and never tell him what happened (The psychiatrist that proposed this plan did it to prove that transsexualism wasn't a real physiological disorder, same as you're all trying to argue). Even though he had female hormones from the very beginning, and lived socially as a girl 100% and nobody knew, he still eventually became a "Female-To-Male" transsexual and then killed himself.[/QUOTE]My point, though, is how do we know he is actually a she on the inside vs just "going through a phase?" I'm not saying the parents shouldn't treat the child as a girl until everyone is 100% sure, but I'd hold off on a diagnosis. It's hard to say. I don't disagree with you, but I'm arguing a different point that's apparently pissing people off.

Man, I feel sorry for him, I hope it will work out.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;34804291]My point, though, is how do we know he is actually a she on the inside vs just "going through a phase?" I'm not saying the parents shouldn't treat the child as a girl until everyone is 100% sure, but I'd hold off on a diagnosis. It's hard to say. I don't disagree with you, but I'm arguing a different point that's apparently pissing people off.[/QUOTE] Because she's been professionally diagnosed, and because even if by some wild chance it is just a phase, the hormone treatments don't start until the onset of puberty. All they're doing right now is let her wear what she wants and identify how she wants, that's all.

[QUOTE=SNNS-SEAN;34795640]People in this thread don't seem to understand that sex != gender. Sex is biological, penis or vagina. Gender is the social/psychological analog, and isn't set in stone as "male" or "female" and not something you have to stick with for the rest of your life (Sex is becoming the same way, too) There is no actual binary.[/QUOTE] How is sex changing? Surgery can't change your DNA nor can it change all the remaining biological differences

[QUOTE=Megafan;34805473]Because she's been professionally diagnosed, and because even if by some wild chance it is just a phase, the hormone treatments don't start until the onset of puberty. All they're doing right now is let her wear what she wants and identify how she wants, that's all.[/QUOTE] Even at puberty, all they do is assign puberty blockers, to delay puberty until the therapists decide mature enough to decide on hormones.

[QUOTE=PelPix123;34803753]Except that gender identity is a product of the physical structure of the brain and [B]has nothing to do with social learning or development.[/B][/QUOTE] Nope. Close, but wrong. We cannot at this time say it has [I]nothing[/I] to do with socialization, just that it appears to be a lesser factor. [QUOTE=http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/917990-overview#aw2aab6b3]Rudimentary gender identity at birth, although incomplete, is an important determinant in gender development. The dimorphism of the brain itself suggests a strong biologic underpinning to eventual gender development in the vast majority of individuals. Nevertheless, variations may occur when endogenous or exogenous factors create a fetal environment in which hormone levels do not follow the genetically predetermined pattern. In such situations, the gender bias of these infants may be tilted away from one that correlates with the genotype. ... The environment in which a baby is reared with respect to gender begins to take shape prior to birth. Prenatal ultrasonography now allows the sex of a fetus to be determined quite accurately by the second semester of gestation. Families who receive knowledge of the child's biological sex often use this information to tailor parental planning and reactions. Gender-specific names, items of clothing/toys, and even aspirations for the soon-to-arrive baby may differ depending on the anticipated sex. Thus, a preformed idea of the child's preferences is in place even before the child is delivered. Upon assignment of sex at birth, a significant environmental role begins in gender development, as the parents usually rear the child as either male of female, with all of the associated social interactions. In recent years, the prevailing notion once fostered by John Money of Johns Hopkins University, that gender identity is malleable during the first years of life, after which it becomes irreversible, has been challenged. [B]Whether particular gender identity is truly an inborn characteristic, or even if it remains unchangeable through the course of an individual's lifetime, has not yet been determined.[/B] Several studies by Milton Diamond of the University of Hawai'i indicate that [B]gender development reaches a critical point during childhood, after which it becomes extremely difficult to modify in most individuals.[/B] While there may be a number of children who do not clearly fit into a neat binary model of gender in which the polar extremes of behavior are reserved for those with clear sex and gender congruence, it is increasingly clear that gender identity is at the very least an intrinsic characteristic that emerges during early development.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;34803563]No, I was being honest about my childhood. How, exactly, can I be ignorant regarding my own goddamn childhood? [editline]oh and[/editline] Plus there's always the fact that the child is FOUR YEARS OLD and nowhere near adulthood. That's sixteen years for the child to completely turn around and say "yeah, I'm not actually a girl." Or just not acknowledge that it even happened. Is it a real gender-identity crisis or something else? You're dealing with a four-year-old child who is not going to be 100% on the same level you are. There could be unseen motives, prompting an assertion of the female gender and voicing that assertion to everyone. Fuck, I wanted a barbie doll when I was a kid because the commercial looked super fucking cool, and I came up with "I want to pretend to be a girl," as an excuse I thought people would believe. My dad went through the roof, my mom was like, "lol, okay." Simply put, a four-year-old child, no matter how developed is not going to know shit about the world, themselves or anything really. Childhood is meant to be an adventure to discover all the things in life, including self-identity.[/QUOTE]You have no goddamn idea how this works, and you're just trying to twist it and trivialize it down in to nothing and passing it off as "Just a phase" or some kind of gimmick the child is using for attention. Stop, that's not how this shit works. Between the ages of roughly four and seven is when most transgenders become aware of their gender identity. Its got nothing to do with some phase thing or a game or shit like that, it is a real occurrence.

[QUOTE=The Baconator;34806768]How is sex changing? Surgery can't change your DNA nor can it change all the remaining biological differences[/QUOTE] oh god not this type of post here it comes

[QUOTE=Skelmech;34807469]oh god not this type of post here it comes[/QUOTE] I acknowledge gender and sex are different, but if sex is biological, then there is allot to change than just genitals and hormones.

that's not GID it's a 4 year old boy just saying I WANT TO BE A GIRL

[QUOTE=Death_God;34808076]that's not GID it's a 4 year old boy just saying I WANT TO BE A GIRL[/QUOTE] And I'm sure you know better than any professional who diagnosed her. Drop the disrespect.

[QUOTE=Death_God;34808076]that's not GID it's a 4 year old boy just saying I WANT TO BE A GIRL[/QUOTE] No he was diagnosed

goddamnit people [B][U]SHE SHE SHE SHE SHE[/U][/B] HOW HARD ARE PRONOUNS

[QUOTE=Skelmech;34808180]goddamnit people [B][U]SHE SHE SHE SHE SHE[/U][/B] HOW HARD ARE PRONOUNS[/QUOTE] Title says Zach, it should have acknowledged it in the title, since by force of habit people will use a pronoun that matches a name's gender.

the title also says she was diagnosed with GID when you see a male name and see GID you should probably assume mtf