Turtle Rock community manager fired for defending Sterling on Twitter - Polidicks

[QUOTE=katbug;44703437]You cannot control something like being a bigot, period. It's entirely based on the society that's around you and who you grew up with. If you escaped the bigotry of your family, that's wonderful, but it's likely because the society you grew up in is more progressive in general.[/QUOTE] But society wasn't progressive, my family as a totally are bigoted, I come from a town full of immigrants leading to the white population to be all "mug jerbs" about the whole "not-white people" thing. This was the late 90's/ early 00's. Progress was slow to say the least. Bigotry is something you can control, you can unlearn bigotry, you can understand that the minorities aren't trying to take your wives or whatever. To deny this is totally asinine, just because you are raised in a society that pushes bigotry does not mean you will have to be a bigot, we learn, it's why we're humans.

Too many people pointing to Turtle Rock forget that damage control is so much more nuanced then people make it out to be. SHOULD he have been fired... really, probably not. He didn't make much of a statement really at all, but he represents the company. They don't want people taking those tweets out of context and then using them later. I mean, fuck, look at all of the threads on TotalBiscuit, people take screenshots of his angry tweets and bring them up to defend hating him years later. But he is his own boss for the most part, this community manager wasn't. As ridiculous as it is, this would have bitten Turtle Rock in the ass in the future. This kind of stuff always does. Even if it's not intentional, someone could reference this guy's tweets months from now on the forums of Turtle Rock of evolve or something just for the sake of discussion. Then one person says "Oh, when did that happen. That's horrible." then the dev has a situation on their hands where something minor now turns into a big shit storm where more people who probably do care see it. They saw that this simple thing can be a problem if not taken care of. I blame the CM for not thinking before he posts. This is the same thing as people complaining about their job on their facebook. The company has a right to curb negative images from their public view. Even now, the news of Evolve already cause some people to point to Evolve-PR, an indie PR company and start making accusations. This stuff spreads so fast, even if it's not a big deal. I support the company in this case.

[QUOTE=katbug;44703437]Of course you're going to be able to be educated, but when you're an old fossil it's pretty hard to learn a new way of life. It's going to happen when we're old as fuck too, our opinions and feelings are almost guaranteed to be seen as backwards in the next 70-80 years.[/QUOTE] You can still be educated as an old fart, it takes effort sure, but it's possible to not be a raging bigot.

[QUOTE=katbug;44703437]Of course you're going to be able to be educated, but when you're an old fossil it's pretty hard to learn a new way of life. It's going to happen when we're old as fuck too, our opinions and feelings are almost guaranteed to be seen as backwards in the next 70-80 years.[/QUOTE] i wonder if the generation that exceeds us would also give up on all of us so easily because of the example we're setting. i would hope they wouldn't just wait for me to die a bitterly ignorant old man like everyone else apparently has no problems doing.

[QUOTE=katbug;44703437]I have no response to this. You cannot control something like being a bigot, period. It's entirely based on the society that's around you and who you grew up with. If you escaped the bigotry of your family, that's wonderful, but it's likely because the society you grew up in is more progressive in general. [editline]2nd May 2014[/editline] Of course you're going to be able to be educated, but when you're an old fossil it's pretty hard to learn a new way of life. It's going to happen when we're old as fuck too, our opinions and feelings are almost guaranteed to be seen as backwards in the next 70-80 years.[/QUOTE] saying he can't help it is excusing it. guess what a lot of these poor old bigots who just can't help their ignorance are? rich and in power. if he was some idiot old dude living in the suburbs then who really gives a shit, but he's a billionaire. people with money and power backing their bigotry are dangerous.

Yeah, the problem with excusing his racism over a problem of society and education is the specific context. If it was some 80 year old living in a 98.9% white county in the deep south talking shit about black people, no one would care, and even though I still wouldn't debase myself enough to call him a victim of anything, the argument could hold some ground. But this is almost the exact opposite of that. You have an 80-something Jewish (so he should know a thing or two about unfair discrimination) real estate mogul in Los Angeles, arguably multicultural capital of the nation. He owns a basketball team in the NBA which is packed with black players who perform at near the apex of their trade. There is absolutely no reason this guy should be as virulently racist as he is, telling his girlfriend not to take pictures with black players, not to bring black people to his games, making comments about Koreans and Mexicans, going on rambling about black Jews and white Jews in Israel. He has no excuse. It's not a problem of education and it's not a problem with the society he lived in. He isn't a victim of anything but shooting his own mouth off as an ignorant old man in the hyperconnected reality of 2014.

Ok, if he is allowed to agree with rascism, then other will follow which is a bad thing for public relations. Don't set a bad example if you are a manager or a team leader.

Olin getting fired for it may be a bit of a stretch but again, it is the companys right. Though, I think because he wasn't so much defending the views of Sterling as much as just the privacy breach, maybe firing him is a bit overboard. Sterling though has not had any wrong doing done against him aside from the privacy invasion which will be dealt with separately as it should be as it is a separate issue. The NBA removing Sterling is entirely within their rights. As are the fines, the ban, everything. They have that power as a private association with their own rules within the laws of the country. They really, really don't care where information comes from if it's credible because they're not a legal entity, and while you can make a case out of that, that again is a separate issue. In this case at this time, the NBA is in the legal clear to do this to Sterling in response to the event. None of his rights are being violated [b]BY[/b] the NBA. None of the recourse against him is in violation of his rights. He has the right to recourse against the privacy invasion. That's about all he has the ability to complain about or fight because, guess what, that's all that was done "wrong" against him. Whether companies should care if the information they're made aware of is applicable in a legal court is arguable(though not well IMO) if they have valid reason to fire someone based on said information.

[QUOTE=TheHydra;44703223]lol the billionaire is a victim of this horrible tragedy of him being racist [editline]2nd May 2014[/editline] holy shit[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure he means victim as in the guy was secretly recorded. We all show our true colors when we think we're alone and he thought he was safe. He's a victim in that regard.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;44702630]it's not right to be wiretapped obvs, but once a recording has been leaked you can't make people unhear it.[/QUOTE] I don't care if people don't want to pretend it didn't happen and get offended over it, what I do care about is how ridiculous the backlash from this all is. People are WAY over reacting. The UCLA even said NO to a $3 Million dollar donation he was giving them (Prior to all this happening). That money was going to kidney research, some actual good that benefits everyone, and even they're jumping on the bandwagon, letting something so astronomically trivial have these HUGE consequences. The backlash is way worse than what he said, in private, ever was

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;44705225]I'm pretty sure he means victim as in the guy was secretly recorded. We all show our true colors when we think we're alone and he thought he was safe. He's a victim in that regard.[/QUOTE] We actually don't know if he was secretly recorded. People are just assuming he was and is a victim for it with absolutely no proof.

I wish people would defend people of color with as much zeal as they do for racists.