[QUOTE=deggemannen;40908645]Well, there we have it. It doesn't come down to preference, it comes down to performance. People shouldn't buy what they like, buy what's BEST[/QUOTE]
Cost to performance ratio is what I go by. Also, if you're just going to browse YouTube/Facebook and type up a word document once in a while, you don't need a fucking $1500 laptop.
[url]http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MD103LL/A?[/url] $1799
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834230795[/url] More powerful Asus Ultrabook $899
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[QUOTE=butre;40908685]I make hundreds of dollars more than you[/QUOTE]
And you spend it on bullshit products so in the end, I win.
[QUOTE=deggemannen;40908645]Well, there we have it. It doesn't come down to preference, it comes down to performance. People shouldn't buy what they like, buy what's 'BEST'[/QUOTE]
Frankly Apple is an exception. For the price you get a rather half-arsed computer. If you buy a Windows PC instead for the same price you'll get twice the performance.
Laptop screens are still bullshit. 1366x768 or whatever but you can easily find a 1920x1200 laptop for under the cost of a basic Macbook Pro.
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My bad wrong link on the Windows laptop.
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834256345[/url]
This one has 8GB of memory and a faster i7 (Ivy Bridge, Haswell equivalents will be out in 2-3 weeks for the same pricing)
[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;40908699]Frankly Apple is an exception. For the price you get a rather half-arsed computer. If you buy a Windows PC instead for the same price you'll get twice the performance.[/QUOTE]
I'm not defending Apple computers. I'm defending people's right to buy whatever they want (sounds so cheesy).
I wouldn't ever buy a Mac.
[QUOTE=butre;40908685]I make hundreds of dollars more than you[/QUOTE]
shhh don't tread on daniel's superiority complex
I'm going to be flat out honest here, if I was ever going to get a laptop for other work when I leave school and have to hand back the Dell shitboxes because there's no way im going to buy them back. I would consider purchasing an Apple Laptop, the touchpads are awesome, well built to last a good amount of time, fast & reliable and also that most of the software on Windows are on Mac and there are great alternatives.
Whereas Linux, the alternatives are sloppy and most times you'll need to use WINE for everything, I rather native programs than fucking emulators
[QUOTE=deggemannen;40908733]I'm not defending Apple computers. I'm defending people's right to buy whatever they want (sounds so cheesy).
I wouldn't ever buy a Mac.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, everyone has the right to purchase whatever they want but I just hate the whole "TASTES ARE SUBJECTIVE SO THEREFORE EVERYONE IS RIGHT" mentality.
Well this would've never happened if Apple didn't stir up a patent lawsuit shitstorm in the first place.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;40908747]Yeah, everyone has the right to purchase whatever they want but I just hate the whole "TASTES ARE SUBJECTIVE SO THEREFORE EVERYONE IS RIGHT" mentality.[/QUOTE]
"Daniel says x therefore he's right" is definitely the right mentality
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;40908752]"Daniel says x therefore he's right" is definitely the right mentality[/QUOTE]
Thank you for supporting me on this point.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;40908574]Go enjoy your inferior trendy Apple products. I'll certainly be enjoying my Nexus 4, the one with the bigger higher resolution display, quad-core processor, guaranteed updates (which will make your phone even more obsolete in terms of software features) and a great build quality. Also, because of my purchase, I have $350 in my pocket that you don't have.[/QUOTE]
the thing is, you're acting emotionless and awkward
i'm an advocate of open-source software but i don't make a big, weirdo neckbeard deal about it
who the hell cares. also, mac osx is a pretty dope, UNIX-based OS
[QUOTE=Ownederd;40908759]the thing is, you're acting emotionless and awkward
i'm an advocate of open-source software but i don't make a big, weirdo neckbeard deal about it
who the hell cares. also, mac osx is a pretty dope, UNIX-based OS[/QUOTE]
We share a common goal then. We need to be harder on the Apple peasants.
[url]http://www.gnu.org/[/url] Read up on GNU and also Richard Stallman.
We can't reason with people. We need to take action and step number one is making sure everyone knows how much of a fucking idiot they are.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;40908795]We share a common goal then. We need to be harder on the Apple peasants.
[url]http://www.gnu.org/[/url] Read up on GNU and also Richard Stallman.
We can't reason with people. We need to take action and step number one is making sure everyone knows how much of a fucking idiot they are.[/QUOTE]
you're either a troll or you should go back to XDA
[QUOTE=Van-man;40908751]Well this would've never happened if Apple didn't stir up a patent lawsuit shitstorm in the first place.[/QUOTE]
it wouldn't have happened if Samsung didn't make the first move by straight up ripping-off iOS with the Galaxy S's Touchwiz imo
but that's a whole different topic I guess
[QUOTE=Aiksey;40908811]you're either a troll or you should go back to XDA
it wouldn't have happened if Samsung didn't make the first move by straight up ripping-off iOS with the Galaxy S's Touchwiz imo[/QUOTE]
Speaking of XDA Developers, you should check out my ROM
[url]http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2289378[/url]
Also Samsung didn't copy shit.
[t]http://www.andaberaya.com/images/thumbs/34906/samsung-galaxy-s1-640x480.jpg[/t]
[t]http://cdn.kveller.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/3g-iphone-1.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;40908742] I would consider purchasing an Apple Laptop, the touchpads are awesome, [B]well built to last a good amount of time[/B], fast & reliable and also that most of the software on Windows are on Mac and there are great alternatives.
[/QUOTE]
I have an Aluminum MacBook from when they first were released in 2008. It has survived being dropped multiple times (the only way you could tell is a small chip near the touchpad which is hardly noticeable) and multiple spilled bottles of water. Over the past 5 years all it's ever needed was a new battery a month ago which was $50. This thing won't die, and I plan on using it until it finally dies.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;40908795]We share a common goal then. We need to be harder on the Apple peasants.
[url]http://www.gnu.org/[/url] Read up on GNU and also Richard Stallman.
We can't reason with people. We need to take action and step number one is making sure everyone knows how much of a fucking idiot they are.[/QUOTE]
this isn't some badly-written science fiction/dystopian novel you found at goodwill
[QUOTE=Aiksey;40908811]it wouldn't have happened if Samsung didn't make the first move by straight up ripping-off iOS with the Galaxy S's Touchwiz imo
but that's a whole different topic I guess[/QUOTE]
Like Apple didn't blatantly rip off a few competitors themselves :v:
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It's more of a case of Apple's ego got too big for their own good.
[QUOTE=Makol;40908832]I have an Aluminum MacBook from when they first were released in 2008. It has survived being dropped multiple times (the only way you could tell is a small chip near the touchpad which is hardly noticeable) and multiple spilled bottles of water. Over the past 5 years all it's ever needed was a new battery a month ago which was $50. This thing won't die, and I plan on using it until it finally dies.[/QUOTE]
yeah I've had good luck with apple laptops in that department too. They're simply built better than your average windows computer.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;40908795][url]http://www.gnu.org/[/url] Read up on GNU and also Richard Stallman. [/QUOTE]
so that's where your insanity comes from
suddenly it all makes sense
lets have a gander at the price argument
so you want to use your machine to do video and photo editing?
cool!
now, apple have been a bit dicky towards you recently, axing their expresscard slots for SD cards and killing their market share with FCP X, but it ain't that bad.
[IMG]http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4094/4793185968_24f8c26b9a.jpg[/IMG]
For £2,139.01 you get
a 2.7GHz Quad i7
1GB GT650M
8GB DDR3
750GB HDD
15" 1650x1050 matte display
This is expensive, no shit. If you get it through the education store or upgrade the parts yourself (i.e. the ram and HD) it's significantly cheaper. But I am not measuring that.
So a competitor appears - the HP EliteBook 8570w
[IMG]http://img.ebyrcdn.net/422156-415098-800.jpg[/IMG]
You might think HE'S CHOSEN AN EXPENSIVE LAPTOP! BIAS! BIAAAAS!
Sure, it is. But it's a [I]workstation[/I] laptop designed for this kind of shit, not a jumped up consumer piece of shit. It's got a solid build (like the Mac), great support (like the Mac) and it's designed to last (like the Mac). It's also design for professional level work.
For £2426.00 you get
a 2.8Ghz Quad i7
NVIDIA Quadro K2000M
8GB DDR3
750GB HDD
15" 1920x1080 matte display
Now these specs are pretty similar with a few improvements (mainly screen and gpu) and it also has other features like expresscard, more ports. These come at a trade off of price and weight (the bastard weighs 3 kilos). So for £500 more you get some improvements, but the point I'm making are that the MacBook Pro isn't as overpriced for the market as you might think.
[sp]also this is totally off topic shit sorry[/sp]
[QUOTE=Makol;40908832]I have an Aluminum MacBook from when they first were released in 2008. It has survived being dropped multiple times (the only way you could tell is a small chip near the touchpad which is hardly noticeable) and multiple spilled bottles of water. Over the past 5 years all it's ever needed was a new battery a month ago which was $50. This thing won't die, and I plan on using it until it finally dies.[/QUOTE]
Anecdotes are fun, since they can be true, but also not paint a picture that can support an argument. One of my friends had a cheapo, bottom of the line, Dell Inspiron from 2007. Despite going through hell over the past years, it was still working until they got a new one last year, and it was in the same boat, only needing a new battery (and a new HD when they filled it up).
[QUOTE=codenamecueball;40910483]
For £2,139.01 you get
a 2.7GHz Quad i7
1GB GT650M
8GB DDR3
750GB HDD
15" 1650x1050 matte display
For £2426.00 you get
a 2.8Ghz Quad i7
NVIDIA Quadro K2000M
8GB DDR3
750GB HDD
15" 1920x1080 matte display[/QUOTE]
My ASUS laptop ($1400, that's only ~£900), for comparison:
a 2.3GHz Quad i7
2GB GT660M
16GB DDR3
750GB HDD
17" 1920x1080 matte display
Both those laptops are way overpriced. Now, mine's only a year old, so I can't say it'll last forever, but the support is as good as Apple's (if not better) in my experience, and the build is pretty solid.
Yes, most professionals will want a workstation model (and not a gaming model like mine), but that doesn't validate the obscene prices they charge.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;40908451]15% of the market consisting of a bunch of hipsters that hang out in coffee shops, technically illiterate college students and "artsy people" who delude themselves into thinking that Macintosh computers are "better for media".
Think that whole "better for media" thing stopped being true about 15 years ago.[/QUOTE]
yeah totally ignore the mac developer community (which I am part of?)
Apple is pretty innovative and not just in the "look and feel" department.
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;40910813]yeah totally ignore the mac developer community?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, no, wait...
[QUOTE=Daniel M;40908590]
I have yet to meet a person with a legitimate reason for owning a Macintosh computer other than XCode. because Apple treats their developers like bullshit and force them to write software ON THEIR SOFTWARE.[/QUOTE]
The prices aren't obscene if they're selling, just because you don't want to cough up the dough doesn't mean thousands of other people aren't.
Also Daniel M please shut up I've owned an iPhone and recently upgraded to a Galaxy Note II and would still recommend both, they're great phones.
[editline]5th June 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Neo Kabuto;40910818]Yeah, no, wait...[/QUOTE]
It's almost like Visual Studio does the same thing!
[QUOTE=Neo Kabuto;40910818]Yeah, no, wait...[/QUOTE]
there are plenty of IDEs (Eclipse for Mac durrr) other than XCode, and a lot of supplemental tools to it that people use (namely, XCode's git interface is shit, so most people use an external program or terminal to commit and push and diff)
your argument is pretty much invalid.
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;40910813]Apple is pretty innovative and not just in the "look and feel" department.[/QUOTE]
[URL="https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs#Misattributed"]Sure,[I] "innovative"[/I][/URL]
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;40910841]there are plenty of IDEs (Eclipse for Mac durrr) other than XCode, and a lot of supplemental tools to it that people use (namely, XCode's git interface is shit, so most people use an external program or terminal to commit and push and diff)
your argument is pretty much invalid.[/QUOTE]
My argument? I was just pointing out that he actually wasn't ignoring them.
[QUOTE=Van-man;40910846][URL="https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs#Misattributed"]Sure,[I] "innovative"[/I][/URL][/QUOTE]
since when am I talking about quotes by ~Steve Jobs~?
I'm talking about improvements to UI/UX, hardware and other things.
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[QUOTE=Neo Kabuto;40910851]My argument? I was just pointing out that he actually wasn't ignoring them.[/QUOTE]
his argument then, my bad
[QUOTE=Daniel M;40908574]Go enjoy your inferior trendy Apple products. I'll certainly be enjoying my Nexus 4, the one with the bigger higher resolution display, quad-core processor, guaranteed updates (which will make your phone even more obsolete in terms of software features) and a great build quality. Also, because of my purchase, I have $350 in my pocket that you don't have.[/QUOTE]
and you know what, I have a nexus 4 too, I'm the mac os x developer.
and our android developer has an iphone but uses linux
why can't we all get along?
[QUOTE=butre;40908271]free software with no enterprise-level support that comes bundled with 0% of pre-built computers is not competition to windows.[/QUOTE]
No enterprise level support? Redhat is based around providing support for those who pay for it pretty much: [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat#Business_model[/URL] , not to mention Oracle Linux which has a similar system(sorry for even mentioning Oracle Linux :v: ).
"No enterprise level support" might be correct for most distributions, but some of them are still here only because of that solution.
[QUOTE=codenamecueball;40910483]
For £2,139.01 you get
a 2.7GHz Quad i7
1GB GT650M
8GB DDR3
750GB HDD
15" 1650x1050 matte display
So a competitor appears - the HP EliteBook 8570w
For £2426.00 you get
a 2.8Ghz Quad i7
NVIDIA Quadro K2000M
8GB DDR3
750GB HDD
15" 1920x1080 matte display
[/QUOTE]
I'm not even trying to take a hit on Apple, but you don't seem to realize the price difference between a "real" workstation card, and then the GTX 650M that's in the MacBook. It's insane, and you're also neglecting the various other stuff that makes a workstation laptop more expensive - support, various certifications (I think), etc., and HP/Dell/whatever is charging out the ass for it.
The Macbook Pro is still "just" a consumer laptop no matter the price, and that's just how it is. You can get other laptops that are "designed to last" with the similar specs for half the price. There's nothing wrong the with Macbooks, but your comparison is seriously flawed.
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