[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48731005]Even Dawkins is getting in on this, saying that the boy just mimicked the clock and that he wonders if Ahmed "wanted to be arrested". What a fucking dolt[/QUOTE]
Dawkins has to stay relevant somehow, and "bitter old man yelling at everything" seems to be his way of going about that
"One culture that's been blowing shit up over and over again." That's right, American Military Culture.
[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;48731174]Maher's not exactly a fan of Israel either.[/QUOTE]
Kinda like how the pastor at New Life Church was hugely Anti-Gay, yet he was caught with a male prostitue in the back of a car doing meth.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;48730927]There are rules disallowing knives in schools under any circumstances. Regardless of what you say the knife is or is for.
The clock is a clock and he said it was a clock. There is a pretty stark difference in scenarios.[/QUOTE]
there are also rules disallowing anything that looks like a weapon. if you bring a bright orange water pistol into a school you WILL be punished for it.
[editline]21st September 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;48731094]The school was being racist and profiled the student based on his skin color and religion. Maher on the other hand, is confirming my suspicions. I'm pretty sure he's (Maher) a Zionist disguised as an Atheist.[/QUOTE]
This would be such a great post if it was satire.
[QUOTE=Handsome Matt;48730739]elaborate; please tell me how the arrest of a 14 year old muslim boy for making a clock is justified[/QUOTE]
Even Maher himself says everything was an overreaction and that the kid needs to be apologized to.
But at the same time, you can not in your right mind deny that what he did was suspicious. The course of action that went down here was honestly to be expected. He gutted a clock and slapped it in a breifcase for an 'engineering' project. On one level he didnt do any engineering but took the housing off a clock and put it in a breifcase and went to school showing people it.
It straight up looked suspicious, and a teacher alerted authorities. Everything was fine and even justifiable until they held him for 2 hours at the school for questioning, then later took him in for more. The initial arrest is absolutely justifiable as it's incredibly suspicious no matter what way you paint it. Even if the kid was a white suburban kid named Josh Conner. What isn't justifiable is the hours on top of hours of questioning they did to the kid and holding him for so long.
On top of all that, the arresting officers even knew it wasn't a bomb, it was mostly just treating it as a serious issue as an example as to why you shouldn't cobble electronics together that look very much so like a weapon and bringing it in to school.
Further more, it almost seems as if he wanted to cause trouble. He showed it to his engineering teacher, who said it was a nice project but to not show it around, do not carry it around, and to put it away. He refused and took it all over the school with him. It beeped which raised suspicion, police were called and they questioned him where from that point he refused to say anything but 'its a clock'. He didn't explain why he made it and refused to answer it until long questioning where he admitted, he built it as a project to show his teacher. He continued to be passive aggressive and uncooperative with police but as soon as the media arrived to cover the story he was completely open about it and forthright. Not to mention his family are outspoken against muslim issues that involve western oppression of muslims. So this is a situation where the student was told to not show the clock around, continued to do so, police questioned him and he wouldn't give answers, arrested questions detained then released a few hours later.
Maher being an islamaphobe, must be a day that ends in a y
[QUOTE=Uzbekistan;48732414]Maher being an islamaphobe, must be a day that ends in a y[/QUOTE]
How is this islamaphobia? Maher in the story is directly saying there was a severe lack of information surrounding the case, something that looked very much so like deadly device was brought into school, he carried through it with him for the whole day and it starts beeping and police arrested him on suspicion, then maher says the kids deserves an apology.
Maher is just saying people are latching on too quickly to scream it was a racial thing and are shaming the teacher who saw a beeping breifcase that in many many ways resembled a deadly device.
[QUOTE=Viva;48732440]How is this islamaphobia? Maher in the story is directly saying there was a severe lack of information surrounding the case, something that looked very much so like deadly device was brought into school and police arrested him on suspicion, then maher says the kids deserves an apology.[/QUOTE]
Except he's literally defending racial profiling in the case of muslims
[QUOTE=Uzbekistan;48732456]Except he's literally defending racial profiling in the case of muslims[/QUOTE]
How?
[editline]21st September 2015[/editline]
He says muslims are known for causing uproar, which honestly is a sad truth, its just as true to say the irish caused uproar with explosives too. Theres good and bad with each group.
[QUOTE=Viva;48732459]How?
[editline]21st September 2015[/editline]
He says muslims are known for causing uproar, which honestly is a sad truth, its just as true to say the irish caused uproar with explosives too. Theres good and bad with each group.[/QUOTE]
Except he doesn't mention the irish, in the UK people aren't cautious of the irish on the chance they're plotting to blow up a hotel again, at the end of the video he mentions that someone should have, paraphrasing here, said to the kid 'hey Ahmed some muslims are real bastards so y'know this is just gonna happen and you'll have to suffer as a result of them'
[QUOTE=Viva;48732459]How?
[editline]21st September 2015[/editline]
He says muslims are known for causing uproar, which honestly is a sad truth, its just as true to say the irish caused uproar with explosives too. Theres good and bad with each group.[/QUOTE]
[B]Muslims[/B] are not known for causing uproar. [B]Muslim extremists[/B] are. There's a pretty big fuckin distinction there guy.
[QUOTE=Uzbekistan;48732502]Except he doesn't mention the irish, in the UK people aren't cautious of the irish on the chance they're plotting to blow up a hotel again, at the end of the video he mentions that someone should have, paraphrasing here, said to the kid 'hey Ahmed some muslims are real bastards so y'know this is just gonna happen and you'll have to suffer as a result of them'[/QUOTE]
I can see what you're saying, i agree with it to be blunt. But at the same time, this is a situation where maher is more attributing the outcry to it from his race. If the kid were white, black, asian, native american ect ect, it would still be suspicious and he would still have been questioned by police.
There was massive outrcry from this stemming mostly entirely from his race, when the situation at hand had more to do with a suspicious device being brought into school and his refusal to answer police. Later the media got ahold of it and it became all about race due to the fact that yes, there is islamaphobia nationwide and world wide and an unfair assumption that muslims are all warfaring people.
So while it came across very bad what he said, he really is saying like 'people attribute bad stuff to your race so youre more likely to be scrutinized for anything suspicious. Regardless of race anyone bringing that case in and carrying it around a school would cause trouble, it just got doubled on to him.
[editline]21st September 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=hexpunK;48732509][B]Muslims[/B] are not known for causing uproar. [B]Muslim extremists[/B] are. There's a pretty big fuckin distinction there guy.[/QUOTE]
Still Muslim so the association is formed. You can't at one glance differentiate a white man and a white extremist man. So in general since theres no objective look of one (just stereotypes) people kinda wrongly fill in the blanks in there head. Theres many cases of everyday looking people turning out to be extremists or right nut jobs. There's no objective way they can look.
Wheres the clear distinction here guy? can you point a radical out from a group of people, any kind of radical? not just muslim.
I'm not saying muslims are bad and since we can't tell who is and who isn't bad to just assume all are bad or extrme, but what i am saying is that in this situation maher is saying, the race has bad connotations which did not help ahmed out at all with the unfair association of muslim = bad here
Is there any truth to his dad being an active anti-islamophobia activist and owning that company called "Twin Towers Transportation"? I mean I looked up the corporate registry and it is indeed in Irving under his last name registered last year before 9/11...
[QUOTE=X12321;48732570]Is there any truth to his dad being an active anti-islamophobia activist and owning that company called "Twin Towers Transportation"? I mean I looked up the corporate registry and it is indeed in Irving under his last name registered last year before 9/11...[/QUOTE]
Yes, his dad is actually a very successful Sudan immigrant with a long history of business and even political work, and is an outpsoken personality on anti-islamaphobia.
[URL="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/father-muslim-kid-arrested-clock-standout-citizen-article-1.2363466"]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/father-muslim-kid-arrested-clock-standout-citizen-article-1.2363466
[/URL]He actually seems like a very very lovely person and doesn't really shame the government for what they did, but does say they acted wrongly
[QUOTE=Uzbekistan;48732456]Except he's literally defending racial profiling in the case of muslims[/QUOTE]
he's only defending racial profiling if you're pathetic enough to think that this had anything to do with race. that kid could have been anybody under the sun and the same thing would have happened. I brought my house keys to school when I was in third grade and the keychain had a small plastic revolver on it. they brought a cop to the school to tell me to never do it again and I got suspended for 5 days. that's the educational system in north america. frail, paranoid and utterly incompetent. but don't let that stop you from crying "ISLAMOPHOBIA" every time an arab stubs their toe.
wasn't it confirmed to not be in the briefcase
[QUOTE=Map in a box;48733084]wasn't it confirmed to not be in the briefcase[/QUOTE]
No it was, it was literally the internals of an old clock that he removed from the housing and put in the briefcase he did as a weekend project to show to his engineering teacher.
[QUOTE=Bruhmis;48731688]
This would be such a great post if it was satire.[/QUOTE]
It was actually a very shitty attempt on my part at emulating Bill Mahers standup routines but was executed horribly. I should've just tried dry sarcasm.
[quote]“And the people at the school thought it might be a bomb, perhaps because it looks exactly like a f—king bomb,” he said.[/quote]
That's the part I'll never agree with. Circuit boards, wires, and an LED display= bomb? Morons. Liars too, since the school wasn't evacuated and the bomb squad wasn't involved, so obviously from the start everyone knew that whatever else might be going on, a bomb scare was not happening.
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;48733814]That's the part I'll never agree with. Circuit boards, wires, and an LED display= bomb? Morons. Liars too, since the school wasn't evacuated and the bomb squad wasn't involved, so obviously from the start everyone knew that whatever else might be going on, a bomb scare was not happening.[/QUOTE]
You forget Boston freaking out over the Moon People LED displays for Aqua Teen Hunger Force
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;48733814]That's the part I'll never agree with. Circuit boards, wires, and an LED display= bomb? Morons. Liars too, since the school wasn't evacuated and the bomb squad wasn't involved, so obviously from the start everyone knew that whatever else might be going on, a bomb scare was not happening.[/QUOTE]
ya thats the smoking gun there, the school didn't think it was a bomb, the police didn't think it was a bomb, they arrested him because the principle had to do [I]something[/I] so he punted the ball and let the police handle it...poorly.
this isn't exactly racial profiling, its another case of our school administrators not being flexible enough for the job.
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;48733814]That's the part I'll never agree with. Circuit boards, wires, and an LED display= bomb? Morons.[/QUOTE]
Please tell what other kind of electronic device is put into a briefcase.
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;48731094]Zionist disguised as an Atheist.[/QUOTE]
Maher is Zionist as fuck and quite open about it.
He views it as an ethic thing. Which isn't racist mind you. :unimpressed:
[QUOTE=Sableye;48734093]ya thats the smoking gun there, the school didn't think it was a bomb, the police didn't think it was a bomb, they arrested him because the principle had to do [I]something[/I] so he punted the ball and let the police handle it...poorly.
this isn't exactly racial profiling, its another case of our school administrators not being flexible enough for the job.[/QUOTE]
The police who then proceeded to say "yeah, that's who I thought. " or something along those lines. I dunno if the school teachers profiled (they're fucking morons in either case, but the jury is out on whether they specifically are racist morons) but the police certainly did, or would've if it would have effected the situation. In fact, it doesn't even sound like they were particularly coy about it, so grats on them for saving us the trouble I guess.
[QUOTE=sgman91;48734105]Please tell what other kind of electronic device is put into a briefcase.[/QUOTE]
A laptop or i dunno, anything small enough to fit in a damn briefcase.
[QUOTE=sgman91;48734105]Please tell what other kind of electronic device is put into a briefcase.[/QUOTE]
Home project clocks apparently.
You aren't going to see a bomb that looks anything like that in the real world. It's an absurd contraption. Hollywood? Sure. Bollywood? Yeah if they need terrorists. But reality? Fuck no. It's overly expensive for something that's going to explode anyway, totally conspicuous and comical beyond belief.
I would also have assumed that the "timer" happening to be the actual time rather than some form of spooky countdown would be a pretty good give away that it's just a clock.
But as said, nobody called in the bomb disposal squads, nobody evacuated the school. They knew full well it wasn't a bomb, and really, if a white kid - or hell, a black kid! - brought this shit in to school do you think they'd get the same treatment as a brown kid with a "Muslim" name? They might be told "put that silly shit away", but like fuck would they call the police.
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;48733814]That's the part I'll never agree with. Circuit boards, wires, and an LED display= bomb? Morons. Liars too, since the school wasn't evacuated and the bomb squad wasn't involved, so obviously from the start everyone knew that whatever else might be going on, a bomb scare was not happening.[/QUOTE]
Not everyone is a bomb expert. Most people have never actually seen a real bomb, and their only experience with explosives is what they see in movies. Is it really any wonder that in the decades of the rise of terror that people are suspicious of bomb-like objects?
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;48733814]That's the part I'll never agree with. Circuit boards, wires, and an LED display= bomb? Morons. Liars too, since the school wasn't evacuated and the bomb squad wasn't involved, so obviously from the start everyone knew that whatever else might be going on, a bomb scare was not happening.[/QUOTE]
Excuse me? You do realize most IEDs are hacky circuitry jobs contained in discrete containers?
[img]http://i.imgur.com/liC4zvs.png[/img]
Thats a plastic lunchbox, with shoddy wiring to a tiny circuit board, with wires running through a god damn soda bottle cap. Yeah this one has an obvious explosive in it, but explosives can be discrete. Even if there isn't an explosive the rest of that is incredibly suspicious. Imagine someone taking this to an airport.
Heres the detonator removed from an IED that failed to explode, dug up in the middle east a few years ago by soldiers:
[img]http://www.kk.org/streetuse/IEDcellphone.jpg[/img]
Thats just a nokia phone, circuit board, wires, led display. that was attached to a bomb.
I get what youre saying, where omg something we see in movies doesn't constitute a bomb, it's suspicious none the less and could just as easily be only a portion of a bomb. It was a case with gimped out internals that was mobile, discretely contained, and he carried it everywhere he went to class that day. There's absolutely no way to get around the fact that it was suspicious.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;48734169]Home project clocks apparently.
You aren't going to see a bomb that looks anything like that in the real world. It's an absurd contraption. Hollywood? Sure. Bollywood? Yeah if they need terrorists. But reality? Fuck no. It's overly expensive for something that's going to explode anyway, totally conspicuous and comical beyond belief.
I would also have assumed that the "timer" happening to be the actual time rather than some form of spooky countdown would be a pretty good give away that it's just a clock.
But as said, nobody called in the bomb disposal squads, nobody evacuated the school. They knew full well it wasn't a bomb, and really, if a white kid - or hell, a black kid! - brought this shit in to school do you think they'd get the same treatment as a brown kid with a "Muslim" name? They might be told "put that silly shit away", but like fuck would they call the police.[/QUOTE]
A teacher did tell him to put that silly shit away, but he didn't listen. It's very suspicious that he continued to show the clock despite the warnings of his teacher. This is textbook race bait.
[QUOTE=dragon1972;48734196]A teacher did tell him to put that silly shit away, but he didn't listen. It's very suspicious that he continued to show the clock despite the warnings of his teacher. This is textbook race bait.[/QUOTE]
Or it's a kid? Kids tend to not listen to others when they have something they really want to show others. Kids are dumb, that's kinda what happens when the risk assessment part of your brain isn't fully developed, you don't consider the outcomes outside of positives for the most part as a kid.
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