[QUOTE=dragon1972;48734196]A teacher did tell him to put that silly shit away, but he didn't listen. It's very suspicious that he continued to show the clock despite the warnings of his teacher. This is textbook race bait.[/QUOTE]
It also doesn't help that when question he refused to say anything at all except 'it's a clock'. it wasn't until ages past with cops asking the same question that he finally said 'it was a school project to show my engineering teacher'.
He didn't cooperate with police for quite awhile.
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;48731229]Dawkins has to stay relevant somehow, and "bitter old man yelling at everything" seems to be his way of going about that[/QUOTE]
That's the only way he was ever even relevant I thought?
[QUOTE=Viva;48734193]Excuse me? You do realize most IEDs are hacky circuitry jobs contained in discrete containers?
Thats a plastic lunchbox, with shoddy wiring to a tiny circuit board, with wires running through a god damn soda bottle cap. Yeah this one has an obvious explosive in it, but explosives can be discrete. Even if there isn't an explosive the rest of that is incredibly suspicious. Imagine someone taking this to an airport.
Heres the detonator removed from an IED that failed to explode, dug up in the middle east a few years ago by soldiers:
Thats just a nokia phone, circuit board, wires, led display. that was attached to a bomb.
I get what youre saying, where omg something we see in movies doesn't constitute a bomb, it's suspicious none the less and could just as easily be only a portion of a bomb. It was a case with gimped out internals that was mobile, discretely contained, and he carried it everywhere he went to class that day. There's absolutely no way to get around the fact that it was suspicious.[/QUOTE]
I agree that if a student brings an object like that into the school, and a teacher sees it, they need to take a look at it. And that's what happened.
The moron part comes in from that point forward. Somehow it went from "Let's take a look at this 'bomb' to "You're under arrest".
I'm saying when they realized it wasn't a bomb, they should have either kept the clock until after school, when he could pick it up and go home, or give him his clock back. Either way they should have also let him go back to class or wherever. He was guilty of nothing so where does the arrest come from? Stupidity at best, prejudice AND stupidity at worst.
[QUOTE=Uzbekistan;48732456]Except he's literally defending racial profiling in the case of muslims[/QUOTE]
It's not racial profiling, it's profiling by religion. Islam is not a race. If he was a Sikh or a hindu etc no one would have considered it to be a bomb.
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;48734858]I agree that if a student brings an object like that into the school, and a teacher sees it, they need to take a look at it. And that's what happened.
The moron part comes in from that point forward. Somehow it went from "Let's take a look at this 'bomb' to "You're under arrest".
I'm saying when they realized it wasn't a bomb, they should have either kept the clock until after school, when he could pick it up and go home, or give him his clock back. Either way they should have also let him go back to class or wherever. He was guilty of nothing so where does the arrest come from? Stupidity at best, prejudice AND stupidity at worst.[/QUOTE]
The moron part comes from teachers already being notified and shown that it was in no way, shape, or form a bomb, and the school still reacted with "YEAH BUT IT COULD'VE BEEN".
If it could've been, nobody would've seen it, not until it was too late.
[QUOTE=Levelog;48730858]Why would they think it was a hoax bomb if he told them it was a clock?[/QUOTE]
because if it could potentially be a bomb, they aren't going to believe every thing he says. if someone with an actual bomb was asked about their bomb which happens to look like a bomb, they aren't going to be honest and say "yep, this a bomb and i'm gonna blow you sky high."
[QUOTE=Ithon;48730809]let's see what he said in full
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGit-XltUB4[/media][/QUOTE]
"He wasn't arrested because he's a Muslim, he got arrested because it looks like a bomb. Now one particular group of people have been bombing the shit out of stuff for the past 30 years, Muslims, and I can't blame the teacher." Verbatim, but basically what he said. Bill Maher is a racist asshole, thank god his movie tanked.
[QUOTE=Audix;48735522][video=youtube;CEmSwJTqpgY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEmSwJTqpgY[/video][/QUOTE]
Why does this matter? When I was in middle school I "built" electronics by buying boards and cases then hooking them up several times. I never got arrested for terrorism over it.
[QUOTE=Handsome Matt;48730739]elaborate; please tell me how the arrest of a 14 year old muslim boy for making a clock is justified[/QUOTE]
As a white person in high school I was called into the office just for drawing a gun, this school did absolutely nothing about it just because he was a muslim and then Obama has the audacity to hail on what a great kid for faking it a bomb threat. Anyone else is fair game.
Bill Maher is an airhead
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;48735286]The moron part comes from teachers already being notified and shown that it was in no way, shape, or form a bomb, and the school still reacted with "YEAH BUT IT COULD'VE BEEN".
If it could've been, nobody would've seen it, not until it was too late.[/QUOTE]
Nope, not true. Different teacher reported it. He showed his engineering teacher the case, then in the middle of english class the case started beeping. The engineering teacher told him 'dont show anyone else put this away', the english teacher saw/heard a case that was beeping.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;48736155]Why does this matter? When I was in middle school I "built" electronics by buying boards and cases then hooking them up several times. I never got arrested for terrorism over it.[/QUOTE]
i doubt that your electronics looked and sounded like miniaturized props from a mission impossible movie
[QUOTE=Arrows;48734882]It's not racial profiling, it's profiling by religion. Islam is not a race. If he was a Sikh or a hindu etc no one would have considered it to be a bomb.[/QUOTE]
I highly, highly, highly incredibly doubt that. Even this thread alone has examples of a broken school system being paranoid from white kids drawing guns on paper. The news is filled with white kids getting suspended from school from mere drawings, or god forbid half eaten poptarts.
Race legit has like very very very very very little to do with this.
wait, if the case was beeping doesn't that imply he set the alarm to go off at that time
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;48736225]wait, if the case was beeping doesn't that imply he set the alarm to go off at that time[/QUOTE]
To be perfectly honest, it almost seems he wanted attention. His own teacher told him to put it away and he refused. He refused to speak to police beyond saying it was a clock yet as soon as media showed up he was an open book. I don't want to feed into it that much but it just seems....weird. The clock already was shown to be legitimately just a gutted alarm clock with no changes made and he admits it took him 20 minutes of work. He could just be given the benefit of the doubt of being young and putting the internals in the case and thinking it was cool shit, even the beeping could have been just him wanting people to ask him about it not wanting police attention, but it just seems odd.
[QUOTE=Viva;48736205]Nope, not true. Different teacher reported it. He showed his engineering teacher the case, then in the middle of english class the case started beeping. The engineering teacher told him 'dont show anyone else put this away', the english teacher saw/heard a case that was beeping.[/QUOTE]
So he showed it to a teacher and they told him "I wouldn't show this to anyone else, put it away". That's not something you tell someone with a bomb, is it?
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;48736293]So he showed it to a teacher and they told him "I wouldn't show this to anyone else, put it away". That's not something you tell someone with a bomb, is it?[/QUOTE]
Because he made it to show explicitly to his engineering teacher. Who saw it and realized its something that could easily be mistakened for something else so he told him to put it away. He didn't and whoops someone, another teacher, mistook it for something threatening.
It's already well established that the engineering teacher and the police were well aware it wasn't a bomb. It was a typical american school reacting as they always do, you don't see people calling in homeland security when someone draws a gun on their notes. Just like how they dont call in the bomb squad for this.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48731005]Even Dawkins is getting in on this, saying that the boy just mimicked the clock and that he wonders if Ahmed "wanted to be arrested". What a fucking dolt[/QUOTE]
I like how both Dawkins and Maher, two staunch anti-theists, are believing and preaching something that's based solely on faith. There's no evidence this was a real hoax at all.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;48732509][B]Muslims[/B] are not known for causing uproar. [B]Muslim extremists[/B] are. There's a pretty big fuckin distinction there guy.[/QUOTE]
While I don't doubt this is a case of racial profiling (which shouldn't be excused), this distinction is completely meaningless in my opinion.
"Group X aren't known for doing bad things, only bad people in Group X are doing bad things".
You could stretch that to any group ever. It doesn't say anything about the people to bad people ratio of the group. Disclaimer: I don't support generalisations.
I don't have any problem with what happened except that it got to the stage where the kid was in cuffs.
I don't know how the situation could've gotten past calling the police, the guys checking in and solving the mystery.
It's the zero tolerance policy's fault and it's burning a lot of kids of all skin colors for the most innocent of shit.
[QUOTE=Viva;48736326]Because he made it to show explicitly to his engineering teacher. Who saw it and realized its something that could easily be mistakened for something else so he told him to put it away. He didn't and whoops someone, another teacher, mistook it for something threatening.
It's already well established that the engineering teacher and the police were well aware it wasn't a bomb. It was a typical american school reacting as they always do, you don't see people calling in homeland security when someone draws a gun on their notes. Just like how they dont call in the bomb squad for this.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't justify the arrest, either. I've never heard of any kids being arrested for doodling a gun.
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;48731094]The school was being racist and profiled the student based on his skin color and religion. Maher on the other hand, is confirming my suspicions. I'm pretty sure he's (Maher) a Zionist disguised as an Atheist.[/QUOTE]
Thats a real hefty allegation. While I think the school are the biggest fuckheads in this whole thing, do you REALLY think it was just his skin color and religion?
Really? When fucking public massacres and bombings have been pretty topical and recent things in America. If this was like 2001-2004 id be more inclined to believe that, but come on. Your flag even says America, you should know this. We havent exactly had the best past few years when it comes to shit like this.
Plus you seem to ignore ALL the stories we get here of people all the time getting BS from their school. Poptart gun, Sexual assault 6 year old(kissed another 6 year old girl), fresh prince ring tone, etc... and were gonna have more in 2016, and 2017, and on and on.
Call the school staff and police stupid fucks, retards, dumbasses, pieces of shit, whatever, but its really dumb of you to jump so quickly to the race card. If anyone are being racist in this its the fucking news orgs that couldnt stop saying how muslim the fucking kid was and once again bating people. Notice how they never talk about how christian, jewish, catholic, etc... people are these days?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;48737001]I like how both Dawkins and Maher, two staunch anti-theists, are believing and preaching something that's based solely on faith. There's no evidence this was a real hoax at all.[/QUOTE]
"No evidence" except for maybe the points they are arguing with? Like really what kind of fucking comment is this anyways, do you actually think that Atheists are hypocrites if they believe in anything apart from the existence of a higher being?
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;48737928]That doesn't justify the arrest, either. I've never heard of any kids being arrested for doodling a gun.[/QUOTE]
But you probably heard/read about kids getting into trouble for bringing a toy-gun to school, you know, since there's a pretty big difference between drawing it and bringing the actual physical thing over. How about we don't compare apples and oranges next time?
[QUOTE=Viva;48736277]To be perfectly honest, it almost seems he wanted attention. His own teacher told him to put it away and he refused. He refused to speak to police beyond saying it was a clock yet as soon as media showed up he was an open book. I don't want to feed into it that much but it just seems....weird. The clock already was shown to be legitimately just a gutted alarm clock with no changes made and he admits it took him 20 minutes of work. He could just be given the benefit of the doubt of being young and putting the internals in the case and thinking it was cool shit, even the beeping could have been just him wanting people to ask him about it not wanting police attention, but it just seems odd.[/QUOTE]
It's also possible that teacher told him not to show it around because the other people(ie teachers) are stupid. If I'm that teacher and I know my coworkers are idiots, I'd tell the kid not to show it to them. Not because it looks like a bomb, but because an idiot would think it looks like a bomb. That's an important distinction. It's not "Hey kid, you've done something wrong" it's more "Hey kid, there are people in this school who will assume you've done something wrong".
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;48739543]It's also possible that teacher told him not to show it around because the other people(ie teachers) are stupid. If I'm that teacher and I know my coworkers are idiots, I'd tell the kid not to show it to them. Not because it looks like a bomb, but because an idiot would think it looks like a bomb. That's an important distinction. It's not "Hey kid, you've done something wrong" it's more "Hey kid, there are people in this school who will assume you've done something wrong".[/QUOTE]
This all the way.
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;48738794]"No evidence" except for maybe the points they are arguing with? Like really what kind of fucking comment is this anyways, [b]do you actually think that Atheists are hypocrites if they believe in anything apart from the existence of a higher being?[/b][/QUOTE]
Yes, you cannot claim to be a person of superior logic if you're a grown-ass man making baseless accusations against a 14 year old child.
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;48738794]
But you probably heard/read about kids getting into trouble for bringing a toy-gun to school, you know, since there's a pretty big difference between drawing it and bringing the actual physical thing over. How about we don't compare apples and oranges next time?[/QUOTE]
Last I checked they don't get arrested either, just suspended or removed from the school.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;48737928]That doesn't justify the arrest, either. I've never heard of any kids being arrested for doodling a gun.[/QUOTE]
Oh really? Heres just one example that was local to me:
[url]http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/12/19/superintendent-drawings-of-weapons-led-to-new-jersey-students-arrest/[/url]
Here's an 11 year old who was arrested after drawing a stick figure with a gun:
[url]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/11-year-old-boy-arrested-colorado-violent-stick-figure-drawing-made-school-article-1.135628[/url]
Here's a new york student arrested for not even drawing a gun, just for drawing on a desk in general:
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/18/new.york.doodle.arrest/[/url]
over in canada they don't arrest kids, but instead arrest their parents:
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/02/29/jessie-sansone-gun-drawing-mcguinty_n_1310263.html[/url]
There's actually more than just a few examples of students being arrested for mere drawings, or even more benign things.
[QUOTE=Turnips5;48731172]lol he didn't mimick anything, he gutted a vintage alarm clock and put it in a [b]briefcase[/b]
[url]https://archive.is/19Wde[/url][/QUOTE]
In the little video thing where he talked about it, you can see that he googled 'pencil case' to find a picture of it. It was probably just some shit he had lying around.
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