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[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;32539553]As if this shit needed discrediting any more, it's by fucking Adbusters.[/QUOTE] Who?

They're a bunch of people of the opinion that "adverts are like... bad and stuff. Also there are too many Jews in government"

[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;32539597]They're a bunch of people of the opinion that "adverts are like... bad and stuff. Also there are too many Jews in government"[/QUOTE] So you're trying to say that the protests are by these adbuster people? That's a pretty audacious thing to say.

It's in the OP.

[url]https://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-please-help-editadd-so-th/[/url] A specific list of demands.

[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;32539936]It's in the OP.[/QUOTE] "began as a call to action by adbusters" does not mean that this is a protest by adbusters. [editline]29th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Rubs10;32540174][url]https://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-please-help-editadd-so-th/[/url] A specific list of demands.[/QUOTE] I like these proposals.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32540322]I like these proposals.[/QUOTE] Notice how they're all reasonable and sound fair? It probably won't happen unless actual action occurs.

The only problematic one is the limit on Lobbyists. Believe it or not, Lobbying isn't an inherently bad action. In fact, it is allows the people to effectively influence the government. Like a lot of things, the problem isn't the process itself, but how it is used by people. Here's a quick example from Wikipedia. [i]For example, a medical association may lobby a legislature in order to counteract the influence of a tobacco company, in which case the lobbying would be viewed by most people as justified.[/i] [editline]29th September 2011[/editline] What has to be done is find a way so that Lobbying is conducted in a fair and public way by all parties involved.

Why do I keep thinking of atlas shrugged more and more every day?

they're all faggots [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Trolling/Why Reply" - rilez))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Rubs10;32540174][url]https://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-please-help-editadd-so-th/[/url] A specific list of demands.[/QUOTE] Nothing about enforcing creation of domestic industry and raising taxes on corporations that utilize overseas production? This movement [b]is[/b] useless.

[QUOTE=acds;32539168]Work against the flow (the "man", the "machine", the system, or whatever people want to call it) and you'll just damage yourself.[/QUOTE] Imagine if that was the actual mindset of rational people. We would still have slaves.

Hey, instead of mass debating here, how about you take a large piece of cardboard - write down your thoughts on the protest and actually go to one of the protests to share them.

[QUOTE=T.F.W.O.;32541688]Hey, instead of mass debating here, how about you take a large piece of cardboard - write down your thoughts on the protest and actually go to one of the protests to share them.[/QUOTE] Bottom left of any post and you'll see why.

[QUOTE=Within;32541456]Imagine if that was the actual mindset of rational people. We would still have slaves.[/QUOTE] I think it would be more a case that slaves wouldn't exist in the first place.

What I'm gonna say now is probably going to offend someone and most of you will probably think I'm an idiot, but you know, I don't mind movements like this. It's not because I agree with all of them, it's because I support the idea that government and corporations shouldn't ignore the fact that people are indeed suffering under their "regime". My [I]personal[/I] idea is that in a way, we're all little mind-slaves. 95% of the people I know would [I]never[/I] do anything to attempt to alter something they're unhappy about. They're mindless drones just shrugging and having that "whatever" attitude, never getting anything done. [editline]29th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;32541804]I think it would be more a case that slaves wouldn't exist in the first place.[/QUOTE] How so? Please explain

[QUOTE=acds;32539432] Never said it was wrong (though I don't think they'll achieve much). I just said I won't.[/QUOTE] [quote]And what exactly do they hope to achieve by "occupying" Wall Street?[/quote] [quote]They won't achieve anything.[/quote] [quote]I don't whine about how bad the world is, we're actually extremely lucky to have it as good as we are having it now[/quote] [quote]and no the situation (with a small pecentage living with all comforts and holding all the power while most are poor and have very little say in important matters) will never change, it's human nature.[/quote] [quote]Work against the flow (the "man", the "machine", the system, or whatever people want to call it) and you'll just damage yourself.[/quote] You might not have said the word "wrong", but you have been implying very hard that these protests are so. Stop backpedalling.

It hurts to see how the world is collapsing and when you go to another thread or site, people are not aware of this and continue to live in their plastic world. If you try to wake them up, they will just note you as a spammer.

Being anon myself, this op (and all ops for that matter) are completely emberassing

I might pop down to the Manchester one.

Sickening. Fucking [I]unworthy.[/I] This shit is what you'd expect in a third world country. The blatant police brutality, that is.

[QUOTE=demoguy08;32543310]Sickening. Fucking [I]unworthy.[/I] This shit is what you'd expect in a third world country.[/QUOTE] What specifically are you referring to?

when the government does something wrong, the people have to let them know that they're aware of the wrong doings. they do this by protesting. protesting is not pointless. you are informing your government about the matter in the best way possible - by uniting together for a shared cause.

[QUOTE=melonmonkey;32540821]Why do I keep thinking of atlas shrugged more and more every day?[/QUOTE] Thinking of Atlas Shrugged too much is a sure sign of the onset of mental retardation, you should be careful. Think happy thoughts instead and you'll stay smart.

Goddamnit, Chicago is the closest upcoming one, and I'm pretty sure I can't get to it. Come on, guys, have a protest in Indianapolis so I can go.

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;32543513]Goddamnit, Chicago is the closest upcoming one, and I'm pretty sure I can't get to it. Come on, guys, have a protest in Indianapolis so I can go.[/QUOTE] [url]http://occupytogether.org/events/midwest/occupy-indianapolis/[/url]

[QUOTE=Askaris;32542278]You might not have said the word "wrong", but you have been implying very hard that these protests are so. Stop backpedalling.[/QUOTE] Nope. They aren't wrong, they just won't achieve anything. Big difference.

Occupy Boston next Friday, gonna be there with my two man citizen media team :V

I don't tend to follow current events, but just today I heard about Occupy Wall Street, where people are protesting in New York. At first this made me thrilled that finally people aren't standing up for social injustices made by the government, corporations, and the rich. So what's their plan of action? Naturally it should be on one of the sites for the protest. I found a bit about what they're doing: [url]https://occupywallst.org/[/url] [url]http://www.adbusters.org/campaigns/occupywallstreet[/url] Alright, so there's a bunch of people protesting. I knew that. That didn't answer my questions. What specific things are these people protesting against, and how do they propose they fix them? Surely it'd be at the top of the news articles. Or not. [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/29/occupy-wall-street_n_987439.html[/url][quote]But economic concerns seem paramount for many. Several hand-lettered placards express outrage that banks and bankers weren't punished more severely in the wake of the financial crisis. And the protesters speak often of the national wealth gap -- the vast differences in income that separate the richest 1 percent of Americans from everybody else.[/quote]I figured it had to do with the state of the economy. What's the plan for change? This article explains their plans to stay as long as they can, until "change" is made, in the face of cold and wet weather. What kind of change? [quote]"What's change?" said Rob, a protester who said he has worked in minimum wage jobs all his life, and asked not to be identified by his full name. "What isn't change? We're here. That's change."[/quote] I'm losing faith in the potential of this movement. What the hell do they want? This isn't a collective sharing the same goals, it's and excuse to get out there and jarate and moan and pretend to be activists with no real plan for getting things done. [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/25/nyregion/protesters-are-gunning-for-wall-street-with-faulty-aim.html[/url] [quote]That cause, though, in specific terms, was virtually impossible to decipher. The group was clamoring for nothing in particular to happen right away — not the implementation of the Buffett rule or the increased regulation of the financial industry. Some didn’t think government action was the answer because the rich, they believed, would just find new ways to subvert the system. [/quote] [quote]Some said they were fighting the legal doctrine of corporate personhood; others, not fully understanding what that meant, believed it meant corporations paid no taxes whatsoever. Others came to voice concerns about the death penalty, the drug war, the environment. “I want to get rid of the combustion engine,” John McKibben, an activist from Vermont, declared as his primary ambition. [/quote] [quote]The group’s lack of cohesion and its apparent wish to pantomime progressivism rather than practice it knowledgably is unsettling in the face of the challenges so many of its generation face — finding work, repaying student loans, figuring out ways to finish college when money has run out. But what were the chances that its members were going to receive the attention they so richly deserve carrying signs like “Even if the World Were to End Tomorrow I’d Still Plant a Tree Today”? One day, a trader on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange, Adam Sarzen, a decade or so older than many of the protesters, came to Zuccotti Park seemingly just to shake his head. “Look at these kids, sitting here with their Apple computers,” he said. “Apple, one of the biggest monopolies in the world. It trades at $400 a share. Do they even know that?” [/quote] That's it then, I didn't want to believe the media sources would have the most accurate accounts of what's going on -- maybe they do, maybe they don't -- but is there anyone who can enlighten me to anyone out there with real plans of action? Oh, one more thing, a little list of demands. [url]https://occupywallst.org/article/a-message-from-occupied-wall-street-day-five/[/url] I agree. Let's figure out how to get this done.

Occupy Phoenix on the 14th, who's coming with me?