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[Charlievrw]

I'd love to take place in Vancouver protests- but i'd want to go to with a friend but I really doubt I could convince one that anything is seriously wrong with our government as it is.

[Soviet Bread]

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32648274]Rush Limbaugh calls Occupy Wall Street a 'parade of human debris':
[release]Limbaugh said, “When I was 10 years old I was more self-sufficient than this parade of human debris calling itself Occupy Wall Street. No, I was in the Scouts yeah, Boy Scouts for a while, no Cub Scout for a while, I even got some badges. I was a Boy Scout for a year I was a Tenderfoot for a year, I hated it, didn’t like it. Went on one camping trip got the gold brick award for worst most useful guy on the camping trip. I would probably fit in with this group…my parents made me join. I didn’t want to join, so I went to the top of this mountain I watched everybody else build the tents, and put the leaves on them. I got the gold brick. It was an honor, but I never once advertised that I was a parasite like these people are doing.

He continued, “If you look at the minutes and read their website these people are announcing that they are parasites. They are not self-sufficient, and they are totally dependent on what people are protesting, who in the world hits their own sleeping bags and has a board of directors meeting for an hour before they decide this much. I wouldn’t doubt if we’re not careful the next president of this country is going to come out of this group.”[/release]

[I]Source: [url]http://www.politicususa.com/en/rush-limbaugh-president-occupy-wall-st[/url][/I]
Audio source in the link.[/QUOTE]

Half of that doesn't even make sense. it's just rambling.

[rundevil]

[QUOTE=Medevilae;32648417]He's criticizing that they're organized, basically.

... history?[/QUOTE]
I mean, could you explain or link me somewhere that could. you know, support what you say. Look at it this way: I disagree with you right now; convince me why I'm wrong. I could say anything I wanted, and when asked for proof just say "history".

[Glaber]

I got the full Rush quote Right here:
[quote= Rush Limbaugh Media Tweak]RUSH: You know, when I was ten years old, Snerdley -- when I was ten years old -- I was more self-sufficient than this parade of human debris calling itself Occupy Wall Street. (interruption) No. I was in the Scouts, yeah. I was a Boy Scout for a while. No, no, a Cub Scout for a while. I even got some badges. I was a Boy Scout for a year. I was a Tenderfoot for a year. I didn't do anything, I hated it. I didn't like it. I went on one camping trip, got the Gold Brick Award for absolute worst, most useless guy on the camping trip. I would have probably fit in with this group then, but that was just to protest being there. My parents made me join. I didn't want to be there. I didn't want to join. So went to the top of this mountain, I just watched everybody else build the tents and put the leaves on the bottom. I got the gold brick. It was an honor. But I never once advertised that I was a parasite, like these people are doing. If you look at the minutes and read their website, these people are announcing that they're parasites, that they are not self-sufficient and that they totally dependent on the very things and people they're protesting. Who in the world knits their own sleeping bags and has a board of directors meeting about it for an hour before they decide? This bunch! You know, I wouldn't doubt if we're not careful the next president of this country is gonna come out of this group. [/quote]

[url]http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2011/10/05/anti_capitalist_protestors_face_dilemma_should_they_buy_stuff[/url]

[rilez]

[QUOTE=Glaber;32648485]I got the full Rush quote Right here:
-more incessant rambling-[/QUOTE]

"I was more self-sufficient than this parade of human debris. I was a parasite growing up, yes, but I didn't tell anyone about it! I was a useless piece of shit back then, but I was at least smart enough not to bite the hand that feeds! Screw the protesters; they need to knock it off right this instant, so I can continue suckling the teet of Wall St. without fear!"

When is he going to realize he's [B]still[/B] a useless piece of shit, hosting a radio show that no one with half a brain would even consider listening to?

[Megafan]

[QUOTE=Glaber;32648485]I got the full Rush quote Right here:

[url]http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2011/10/05/anti_capitalist_protestors_face_dilemma_should_they_buy_stuff[/url][/QUOTE]
Congrats, it didn't change the message in the slightest!

[rundevil]

[QUOTE=Medevilae;32648621]I assumed you had taken some form of an American history course, sorry.[/QUOTE]
I did but, it they tended to glaze over this sort of thing.

[QUOTE=Medevilae;32648621]Way back when, the US had the gold standard, and paper money could be exchanged for gold. Usually this was fine, because faith in our currency was pretty high and the knowledge that your money was in essence gold reassured people.

Then the Great Depression rolled along, and people throughout the country attempted to trade their dollars in for gold. Roosevelt had to put an end to this before the banks were depleted, so gold was nationalized- the government held onto and controlled the gold that backed up our currency.[/quote]

this is true but, the gold standard wasn't the sole cause of the great depression either. My biggest issue was I mistook you for being against the Gold Standard.

[Zeke129]

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32648623]Congrats, it didn't change the message in the slightest![/QUOTE]

it made it worse because it had glaber written beside it

[Fables]

I really don't understand these people wanting the OWS to have forms of leaderships, that will be a very bad idea.

[Coldmute]

Just reading but apparently some news reporters from the local Fox affiliate were even attacked. That's pretty bad when you go after the people most likely to be sympathetic to you.

[editline]6th October 2011[/editline]

[QUOTE=Fables;32648903]I really don't understand these people wanting the OWS to have forms of leaderships, that will be a very bad idea.[/QUOTE]I can understand the notion to some degree. I think the idea behind it is that it would give the group a face that could be used an identifier across the media and help to centralize discussions, as well as narrow down a more comprehensive set of goals and means to achieve them. It isn't necessarily a bad idea, but it could easily be used by the opposition as a means to legitimize the movement by saying "They're just as guilty of this stuff as they accuse us!" and things to that effect. And, in some ways, it does open it up to the possibility of corruption and malevolence.

[Megafan]

A longer, differently angled video of the brawl today:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELEBAGIool0[/media]

[Coldmute]

My city is actually in the planning stages of its own occupation. I'm trying to figure out someway to make it, given that I couldn't drive to it and walking is infeasible because it involves traversing 15 miles of highway and interstate. As much as I may want to participate, I don't like exhausting walks that risk me turning in to road kill.

[Polyethylene]

I'm heading to my hometown (the state's capital) and I'll check out what we have in terms of a protest.

[Coldmute]

[QUOTE=Polyethylene;32649296]I'm heading to my hometown (the state's capital) and I'll check out what we have in terms of a protest.[/QUOTE]What state?

[Fables]

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;32649101]

I can understand the notion to some degree. I think the idea behind it is that it would give the group a face that could be used an identifier across the media and help to centralize discussions, as well as narrow down a more comprehensive set of goals and means to achieve them. It isn't necessarily a bad idea, but it could easily be used by the opposition as a means to legitimize the movement by saying "They're just as guilty of this stuff as they accuse us!" and things to that effect. And, in some ways, it does open it up to the possibility of corruption and malevolence.[/QUOTE]

Which is exactly it. Give them a leader and you can simply associate them with Lib/Con because that's all this political system is known for.

[Coldmute]

[QUOTE=Fables;32649354]Which is exactly it. Give them a leader and you can simply associate them with Lib/Con because that's all this political system is known for.[/QUOTE]That's my point. It has its potential good sides, but they don't really seem worth the potential downsides, which could be devastating.

[Megafan]

Here's a fun article claiming the Democrats orchestrated all the protests:
[release]The “Occupy Wall Street” and similar movements festering around the country are beginning to take on a very sinister nature of manufactured resentment and class warfare between Americans. The anti-capitalist vitriol being spit by these groups is likely to inflict a serious wound in the American psyche that won’t soon be healed.

The evolution of the “Romper Room Revolution” also shows undeniable hallmarks of a planned and staged event, using a front of “dissatisfied youth” as a ruse and semblance of a grassroots uprising. The methodical timing of the events (liberal celebrity endorsements, entry of labor unions) and the purposeful vagueness of the message smacks of “counter-Tea Party liberal staging”.

As we look at the evolution of the “Occupy” events, it is pretty clear that an organized force, well-versed in political strategy and campaigning has had a hand in this from the planning stages and continues to pull strings from behind the scenes. For a self-described, “rag-tag” group of leaderless youth groups, the movement has had a very seamless and effortless answer to logistical and Public-Relations difficulties that only large, well-funded organizations can pull-off.

There is a gradual and deliberate pace to the growth of the “Occupy” movements that are utterly counter-intuitive to the essence of a true “revolution” of this nature. There is none of the explosive growth and radical twists and turns usually associated with an organic grass-roots uprising. The additions of key groups (such as today’s labor unions) on a weekly basis are staged to give the appearance that the movement is gaining momentum, when in fact they have been planned in advance. It would take an enormous leap of faith to believe that this movement is an organic event happening on a whim.

[B]The “Occupy” movement is undoubtedly a Democratic Party machination in a time of crisis for the Obama Administration.[/B] More than two years into the administration finds Mr. Obama with no significant political victories, flagging popular support and fewer prospects for any substantive change that will give the democrats a political bounce before the 2012 elections.

The economic situation has worsened dramatically since the Obama administration has taken power, foreign policy is virtually non-existent, Mr. Obama has abdicated many of his own policies from his campaign in favor of adopting virtually all of John McCain’s foreign policy and fiscal campaign proposals, and unemployment is at its highest rate in a generation.

For a grass-roots resistance, the “Occupy” movement has about as much spontaneity as a kiddies’ ride at Disney Land. This appears to be a well-orchestrated smoke screen by Democrats to deflect accountability from the failure that has been the Obama administration. [B]Demonizing capitalism…and capitalists is a nasty game being played by the Democratic Party with dangerous consequences to the economy and the society.[/B] America has lost its top place in the World on many levels of measurement since the Obama Administration has been in power. Destroying our sense of nationalism and decency by manufacturing a class-war to win an election is a dangerous and irresponsible game…the means do not justify the ends and Americans should turn their backs on this Romper Room Revolution.[/release]

[I]Source: [url]http://www.forextv.com/forex-news-story/wall-street-protest-get-labor-support-is-democratic-party-behind-the-curtain[/url][/I]

[Polyethylene]

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;32649313]What state?[/QUOTE]

Oregon

[Glaber]

[QUOTE=rilez;32648577]"I was more self-sufficient than this parade of human debris. I was a parasite growing up, yes, but I didn't tell anyone about it! I was a useless piece of shit back then, but I was at least smart enough not to bite the hand that feeds! Screw the protesters; they need to knock it off right this instant, so I can continue suckling the teet of Wall St. without fear!"

When is he going to realize he's [B]still[/B] a useless piece of shit, hosting a radio show that no one with half a brain would even consider listening to?[/QUOTE]

Maybe never if this keeps up:
[quote]Limbaugh’s program airs noon-three pm EST, a virtual dead zone for radio. [B]One of the reasons for his success in syndication is that he brings his affiliates a highly-entertaining, highly-rated program that makes that makes it easy for them to sell advertising time in a daypart on which they used to lose money.[/B][/quote]
[url]http://www.ihatethemedia.com/latest-radio-ratings-show-rush-rules-the-roost[/url]

[Hail Satan]

[IMG]http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsmm5dGP3k1qzy416o1_500.jpg[/IMG]
WWII vets go

[Coldmute]

[QUOTE=Glaber;32649794]Maybe never if this keeps up:

[url]http://www.ihatethemedia.com/latest-radio-ratings-show-rush-rules-the-roost[/url][/QUOTE]I'm confused, are you actually saying something potentially disparaging about someone in the right wing? I mean, maybe its just me, but that does sound like what you're hinting at.

[editline]6th October 2011[/editline]

[QUOTE=Lambeth;32650164][IMG]http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsmm5dGP3k1qzy416o1_500.jpg[/IMG]
WWII vets go[/QUOTE]There is something bad ass about that.
I want to meet them.

[Zeke129]

[QUOTE=Lambeth;32650164][IMG]http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsmm5dGP3k1qzy416o1_500.jpg[/IMG]
WWII vets go[/QUOTE]

That's awesome, hero right there folks

[Madman_Andre]

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32645871]No speech that talks about the gold standard can be called "amazing"[/QUOTE]

I've got to agree with this.

The man in the Video is a complete idiot. The Gold Standard the guy's talking about is a horrendously flawed way to base an ecomony on. Ron Paul advocates that stupid shit like there's no tomorrow and it's the sole reason I abhor him.

[KorJax]

SO I was walking around my campus today and noticed something odd put on a lot of the doors around here:

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/N5Zs5.jpg[/IMG]

I doubt this'll get much attention here though. Probably because my school is about 1.5 hrs away from cinci and several posters have goofy anon masks in the center. Unless this is an area-wide thing from all schools in the area (something tells me someone just decided to start this here at school though).

[editline]6th October 2011[/editline]

[QUOTE=Madman_Andre;32651625]I've got to agree with this.

The man in the Video is a complete idiot. The Gold Standard the guy's talking about is a horrendously flawed way to base an ecomony on. Ron Paul advocates that stupid shit like there's no tomorrow and it's the sole reason I abhor him.[/QUOTE]

Gold standard wasn't horrendusly flawed at the time of its inception.

Think about it, throughout time gold has always held value as a sign of material wealth. This wealth is entirely relative - if people stopped caring about gold, then gold would no longer have value. This probably wouldn't happen any time soon.

In any case, gold has always had a good measure of value to it. Problem is, it isn't practical to carry around everywhere. So thus the dollar was made, which at the time was based on the value of gold that America kept in Ft Knox. For each dollar someone had, it was directly connected to X amount of gold, meaning you could technically take your dollars to the bank and withdraw the REAL item of value (gold) that the dollar directly represented.

Problem is, a system like this can only work out well in small economies and small populations. Gold standard no longer become practical when globilzation happens, and the general population that comes into contact with your dollar expands more and more. At a certain point, it becomes clear that since gold (mostly) has artifical value that people agree to use for trade, the dollar has grown in circulation enough that it too has similar levels of artifical value.

Gold standard was nessicary to give value to the dollar for the masses. Gold never had this issue, because of its brilliance, overall rareity and striking color for a precious metal, it was easy for it to generate value for trading goods in the old world. And now that we have the dollar that people associate with value, the gold standard is no longer needed to keep that value on it.

The main subject of the man's rant might have been the Gold Standard, but the point really is something else that you can only get if you think of it beyond the surface value, which is the production of artifical wealth and how it is distributed and who controls it. The gold standard was good but in this age it isn't an effective way to curb inflation and loss of value for the dollar.

Why? Because we only needed the Gold Standard to make the dollar valuble to own. Now that the dollar has percieved value among everyone, it essentually "becomes" gold and no longer needs to be backed by gold to have value.

[Sobotnik]

[QUOTE=rundevil;32648212][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpOMlDVaXzc[/media]
I haven't seen this posted yet, more footage of police brutality at occupy wall street[/QUOTE]

Wasn't as bad as I thought it would be.

I was expecting more along the lines of this:
[img]http://780x378-1.ikiwq.com/UjfYvsEYaWV0R7RVyKihvd.jpg[/img]

[Alfredo Fetti]

I find it funny how every news source I go to calls the protestants "criminal insects".

:v:

[purvisdavid1]

I find it funny how this isn't in the mainstream news yet everyone in some way shape or form is hearing it.

[xxxkiller]

Similar demonstrations are being organized everywhere. Not only in America, but also in Europe and Autralia. Just type occupy in the facebook search bar.

[editline]6th October 2011[/editline]

The list is almost endless.

[Thyroxin]

'One cannot do anything, But a multitude can do everything.'

[Sobotnik]

[QUOTE=Thyroxin;32653705]'One cannot do anything, But a multitude can do everything.'[/QUOTE]

Like the men who died in the battle of the Somme.