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[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32673996]Stock traders have nothing to do with what they're protesting about? Not even comparable. A bunch of disconnected riots with little more going on but looting after one man was shot by the police is nothing compared to a thousands-strong protest movement going on across the country about years of deepening economic problems.[/QUOTE] FYI "Student riots" refers to the riots that happened earlier in the year. Riots that actually had a somewhat solid reason behind them. The riots that followed that shooting are completely unrelated and happened much later.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32674045]Secondly, the student riots that came about as a result of cuts in education. Not only did the Tories and Whigs join in an unholy union but both ended up pissing everyone off. The student protests in London were meant to do something, but for some reason they aren't protesting anymore. Those people were protesting pretty big things.[/QUOTE] Again, even that was [I]just[/I] about the tuition fees, this is about the entire system of finance, corporate regulations, derivatives trading, and the political system. [editline]7th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Trainbike;32674093]FYI "Student riots" refers to the riots that happened earlier in the year. Riots that actually had a somewhat solid reason behind them. The riots that followed that shooting are completely unrelated and happened much later.[/QUOTE] I realize that now, my earlier post was incorrect.

[QUOTE=Soviet Bread;32674050]That is a shitty comparison. Two MAJOR different things. [editline]7th October 2011[/editline] Sobotnik, I don't think you know what the fuck you're on about.[/QUOTE] I'm talking about the students who protested the cuts. Not the fools who went out to smash everything in sight. [QUOTE=Megafanx13;32674100]Again, even that was [I]just[/I] about the tuition fees, this is about the entire system of finance, corporate regulations, derivatives trading, and the political system. [/QUOTE] Well its pretty bad here as well, this being protested a lot. (The Tories cuts whilst the Whigs take it up the shitter from them.)

The students in the UK did not have enough labour union support. I know in at least Boston the AFL is showing their support and in New York there are several supporting unions.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32673914]So because a group of people at the front of a march of thousands of people pushed the police barricade, it's now a violent protest? Mind explaining how that logic works? You call me biased, but continue to misconstrue the actions of the protests to sounds violent in every regard. The government "allowing them to protest"? I'm pretty damn sure right to assembly is guaranteed in the constitution. Also, how does blocking their entrance to the stock exchange have anything to do with traffic?[/quote] Yes, the people at the front were violently protesting. I'm sorry I was not specific enough, but that is who I was talking about. I did not say the entire protest is violent. This particular incident, that particular time, at that particular place, those particular individules were being violent. And yes, the government allowed them. As in: gave them an allowance of space to do the protesting. "Please protest, it is your right. However, please do so here because the high volume of protesters would block pedestrian traffic of folks trying to get to work."

[QUOTE=Coridan;32674160]Yes, the people at the front were violently protesting. I'm sorry I was not specific enough, but that is who I was talking about. I did not say the entire protest is violent. This particular incident, that particular time, at that particular place, those particular individules were being violent.[/quote] Alright, I can understand that. [QUOTE=Coridan;32674160]And yes, the government allowed them. As in: gave them an allowance of space to do the protesting. "Please protest, it is your right. However, please do so here because the high volume of protesters would block pedestrian traffic of folks trying to get to work."[/QUOTE] Fair enough, but why are they not at least allowed to come inside?

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32674209]Alright, I can understand that. Fair enough, but why are they not at least allowed to come inside?[/QUOTE]I believe its private property which, barring certain circumstances, is off limits to protestors and such. Unfortunately, there is a massive amount of grey area in these cases because there have been so many different and conflicting court rulings. It makes it hard to tell what you are and are not allowed to do.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;32674267]I believe its private property which, barring certain circumstances, is off limits to protestors and such. Unfortunately, there is a massive amount of grey area in these cases because there have been so many different and conflicting court rulings. It makes it hard to tell what you are and are not allowed to do.[/QUOTE] One of the major forces in our economy is off-limits to protesters? Lovely.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32674281]One of the major forces in our economy is off-limits to protesters? Lovely.[/QUOTE] It's better to stand in the streets than to go inside somebodies office and cause potential violence which can escalate. (A revolution is ALWAYS a bad thing for most people minus the political party that takes control after it ends.)

And why is everyone arguing with Sobotnik? Its a valid concern. While I'd like to believe that these will continue for as long as necessary, through any conditions, until real change has been reached. But it is a legitimate concern that they will eventually lose steam and fade in to obscurity. If you don't want that to happen, you have to find a way to keep people united and focused and stalwart.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/buDiS.jpg[/img] #OctopiWallStreet

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32674281]One of the major forces in our economy is off-limits to protesters? Lovely.[/QUOTE]Out on the sidewalks is completely legal, but if it is private property then yeah, they can say it is off-limits if they want. However, in a previous debate about protesting and private property rights, I remember seeing something about a court ruling that said something along the lines of "the more a private facility opens itself up to the public, then the more it is subject to the same rules and regulations as other public facilities." So, a good lawyer could make the case that they should be allowed in because the NYSE allows numerous other members of the public in on a daily basis.

i think in order to be successful they need to break the law, even during the civil rights they had to

[QUOTE=venj;32674396]i think in order to be successful they need to break the law, even during the civil rights they had to[/QUOTE]They're doing much the same thing that the Civil Rights Movement did. Honestly, its a bit harder to break the law in these situations because of the CRM. I also think most of the participants want to avoid outright breaking the law to avoid having the group delegitimized and reduced to "nothing more than criminals and law breakers" by everyone.

they tried all they want with slander against the civil rights movement, its not like the media didnt call them criminals

The last thing they need is people making them look bad.

[url=http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/10/occupy-wall-street-spreads-beyond-nyc/100165/] the atlantic did a photo essay on occupy wall street[/url]

[img]http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/occupy100711/s_o07_28278984.jpg[/img] Love this pic

My friend who went to the OccupyAtlanta Assembly just tweeted that Occupy Atlanta has officially begun.

imo most of these people are gullible kids who've gotten their idea of the average wall street employee from american psycho

[QUOTE=Mon;32675472]imo most of these people are gullible kids who've gotten their idea of the average wall street employee from american psycho[/QUOTE] imo this statement isn't based in anything that resembles fact

[QUOTE=Mon;32675472]imo most of these people are gullible kids who've gotten their idea of the average wall street employee from american psycho[/QUOTE] imo a look at this chart shows why they are there: [img]http://assets.motherjones.com/politics/2011/inequality-page25_actualdistribwithlegend.png[/img] [editline]7th October 2011[/editline] This one too: [img]http://assets.motherjones.com/politics/2011/inequality_mediannetworth_1.png[/img]

[QUOTE=Mon;32675472]imo most of these people are gullible kids who've gotten their idea of the average wall street employee from american psycho[/QUOTE] aw dang do all wall street employees look like christian bale? do they sound like batman

The median net income in the U.S. is $33190, with the mean being only $43460 in case someone thinks the median isn't an effective statistic.. [editline]7th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Lambeth;32675688]aw dang do all wall street employees look like christian bale?[/QUOTE]I know a guy who not only looks like, but actually sounds just like Patrick Bateman.

do you like huey lewis and the news?

[quote=Christina ------][B]If Canadians have it so great why r they our number one illegal immigrants? Smaller government I mean Feds gotta go all of these unnecessary programs we have need to go. Yes I know that means cuts will b made to welfare programs and ppl like me will hurt more. There has to be a happy medium.[/B] ACORN yes was defunded. They started a new program can't remember the name of it something to do with working families. I can't remember the name. I can't afford cable or a tv so I only get my info from family and the Internet on my phone. I hope you all get the justice u seek without serious repercussions. [/quote] What is this? How does someone think of this stuff? [editline]8th October 2011[/editline] [quote=Christina ------]Okay. This is the husband speaking here. I'm so confused by the mass amounts of contradictions in you last text that I now need a nap. So let me get this right...Hitler was really just conservative. You just said that Hitler didn't do it for the people but for the government. Last time I check, that's what socialism/communism is. Again, with Stalin, you just said it wasn't for the people, it was for the government. So I guess he was a "Conservative" too like Hitler. So....all in all...Hitler was just an extremist conservative, Stalin was the same by definition because true socialism/ communism is for the people???? I thank you for the laugh that you gave me tonight, it's so nice to know that we are debating with people who don't even know what they are talking about. I applaud your effort to try to take up for your side, however I could have gotten a better argument from a tree stump. I'll let my wife get back to talking with you know. Enjoy the conversation you socialist you... :)[/quote]If I were to rip my hair out now, would that be an appropriate response? See, these are the people that scare me. These are the ones that make me worry for the movement, trying to corrupt it in to some horrible off-shoot of the Tea Party or a Ron Paul rally. [editline]8th October 2011[/editline] I went on and made a number of long and impassioned comments and by some miracle I've at least got them to shut up and go away for the time being. I don't know if they listened to my pleading that they actually go and learn what Socialism and Communism really are and what the reality of this situation is, but at least they are not giving me a migraine anymore.

Does anyone want to see a smug self congratulatory blog telling people to suck it up? [url=http://the53.tumblr.com/]Of course you do[/url]

Alright that's it, the protesters have won. [url=http://www.benjerry.com/activism/occupy-movement/]Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream has just joined the cause.[/url]

That's a... surprising turn of events to say the least. And while I'm optimistic, I'm cautiously so. [editline]8th October 2011[/editline] My fear is the sudden decision for them to jump in combined with what the idea that they are somehow directly involved could have on the movement. I mean, the media could have a field day with this if the movement doesn't make a careful response.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;32679694]That's a... surprising turn of events to say the least. And while I'm optimistic, I'm cautiously so. [editline]8th October 2011[/editline] My fear is the sudden decision for them to jump in combined with what the idea that they are somehow directly involved could have on the movement. I mean, the media could have a field day with this if the movement doesn't make a careful response.[/QUOTE] is the occupy wallstreet movement supported by big ice cream???? more at 11