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[QUOTE=Zeke129;32705174]That's not objectivism, what he described. This is objectivism: [release]Objectivism holds that reality exists independent of consciousness, that human beings have direct contact with reality through sense perception, that one can attain objective knowledge from perception through the process of concept formation and inductive logic, that the proper moral purpose of one's life is the pursuit of one's own happiness or rational self-interest, that the only social system consistent with this morality is full respect for individual rights, embodied in laissez faire capitalism, and that the role of art in human life is to transform man's widest metaphysical ideas, by selective reproduction of reality, into a physical form—a work of art—that one can comprehend and to which he can respond emotionally.[/release] Additionally, objectivists believe (because of the above) that there is one true system of morality inherent in humanity. (ie: christian dogma without the christian bit) lol[/QUOTE] Exactly. It's impossible to argue with a true objectivist, because they believe that they're right by virtue of them believing that they're right.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;32705335]I've also heard that both are amazing reads as well. I guess I gotta find a copy of them and find out.[/QUOTE] People who say they're amazing reads also probably vote Ron Paul.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;32705335]I've also heard that both are amazing reads as well. I guess I gotta find a copy of them and find out.[/QUOTE] Conservatives adore the books, fucking adore them. According to the whacky Conservative Talk show hosts my mom listens to, they objectively explain why Obamacare, Social Justice, taxes on the rich, etc. is wrong. Like in their eyes if you read it you become a radical Right Wing Conservative Republican :v: They think this so much that when they were in the process of being adapted into films last years, the talk shows my mom listens to went apeshit saying "the liberal hollywood is going to ruin the message for everyone! Those bastards!!!!1!!!"

[QUOTE=Soviet Bread;32705494]People who say they're amazing reads also probably vote Ron Paul.[/QUOTE] The guy who told me that they were good was a philosophical sort of dude, infact he might have had some sort of degree in philosophy since he mentioned he went to school for it. He said from a philosophical standpoint the books were outstanding and incredibly interesting. So maybe it's not like, a riveting novel good. Maybe it's more of an "oh, people believe this? This is an interesting mindset to have" good.

[QUOTE=Pascall;32705204]That's exactly what I mean. 4 whole hours for an entire week, giving me about 8 hours per paycheck which gives me $64 per paycheck. Just enough to pay for gas, food, and groceries. Nothing else.[/QUOTE] That's right fucking terrible. You'd be better off collecting welfare.

[QUOTE=Soviet Bread;32696657]I don't see how. There's lots of people there, communists, [B]Ron Paul supporters, anarchists,[/B] Liberals, Socialists, [B]Revolutionary communists,[/B] progressives, [B]libertarians,[/B] artists, all groups are there. The guys flying that flag [U]are pretty intelligent and know what they're doing.[/U] The entire protest is about the failure of capitalism and corporatism in the government.[/QUOTE] The terms in bold and the sentence I underlined don't go together. Assuming you meant conservative libertarians, because you mentioned Paul. I will never understand why people idolize Che. Capitalism itself isn't a failure. It doesn't need to be replaced by another system. We need reform. We need less money in politics. We need to start holding corporations, and the millionaires/billionaires they're led by, accountable. We need to relieve the tax/debt burden on the unemployed or otherwise struggling majority of Americans in this country. We [B]DON'T[/B] need a RON PAUL [B]R3VOLUTION[/B]

I hated Atlas Shrugged, had to read it in high school.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32705580]That's right fucking terrible. You'd be better off collecting welfare.[/QUOTE] Well, thing is, my parents make enough to sustain us as a family. But I'm twenty, still living at home, and I really really would rather not be because I'm just leeching off my parents at this point and not contributing anything other than groceries. As a family, we're not poor enough to collect welfare or receive any help from the government, but because there are so many of us, it's hard to make enough to have any more than what we need. Short of it is, I'm not making enough to sustain myself so I'm taking money away from my parents who could use it for other things, which sucks. I've been applying for a second job for months now with no luck. And the worst of it is, companies don't even bother to follow up by saying "no you didn't get the job". Would be nice to at least be acknowledged. So yeah, getting a job that you can live off of: Not as easy as some people think.

i'm 27 and live on my own with someone else i absolutely couldn't make enough to live and go to school with so i have to apply for any benefits and grants possible.

[QUOTE=rilez;32705587]The terms in bold and the sentence I underlined don't go together. Assuming you meant conservative libertarians, because you mentioned Paul.[/quote] Two things: I wasn't refering to everyone I mentioned as intelligent, just the gentlemen who owned the flag whom I spoke to personally. Second, the Ron Paul supporters had "end the fed" as their only real point when supporting him. They were few and far between. [quote] I will never understand why people idolize Che.[/quote] Because Che was an admirable person. Whether you like him or not, he did a lot of good for people even before he helped in the revolution and was a very, very influential person. [quote]Capitalism itself isn't a failure. It doesn't need to be replaced by another system. We need reform.[/quote] If you need to reform it, then it's not bloody successful. [quote]We need less money in politics. We need to start holding corporations, and the millionaires/billionaires they're led by, accountable. We need to relieve the tax/debt burden on the unemployed or otherwise struggling majority of Americans in this country.[/quote] That's not capitalist. Capitalism is the exact opposite.

[QUOTE=Pascall;32705621] I've been applying for a second job for months now with no luck. And the worst of it is, companies don't even bother to follow up by saying "no you didn't get the job". Would be nice to at least be acknowledged. So yeah, getting a job that you can live off of: Not as easy as some people think.[/QUOTE] Just a suggestion, go back each week or so and ask the business you applied at if they are hiring and mentioned you drop off your application a while back. Continue even if they say they are not hiring at the moment. Persistance looks very good. My mother got a job working in the arctic a long time ago. When she asked her employer why they hired her, they said it was because she was persistent, even though there was better people for the job.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;32702080][IMG]http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsrnesdumR1qdfxy8o1_500.jpg[/IMG] wow this is a incredibly bitter 13 year old[/QUOTE] Yeah, you graduate with a degree in Biology. You spend several months searching for a job, only to have all of your applications denied. Now you're sitting alone in your room, thousands of dollars in debt thanks to student loans, as you sob over that degree you paid so much for. Might not be a degree in Biology they're still paying off, but a lot of students at these protests are probably dealing with this sort of situation. Just find a job she says. I'll be 100% productive and making lots of money!!! Just you wait!!! I'm starting high school soon, I'll show all you darned hippies!!!

[QUOTE=Ogopogo;32705768]Just a suggestion, go back each week or so and ask the business you applied at if they are hiring and mentioned you drop off your application a while back. Continue even if they say they are not hiring at the moment. Persistance looks very good. [/QUOTE] I do this to the point where I'm sure they are sick of me. Still no acknowledgement outside of "Oh yeah, we'll look at your application". Businesses just like to lie straight to your face instead of just saying "No, you won't get the job". It's aggravating.

i was the same way in 7th grade lol glad my parents failed at indoctrinating me despite trying. wish i could say the same for my little sister :(

[QUOTE=ASmellyOgre;32703693]Seriously, Ayn Rand was a nutjob, but anyone who says she hated or adored a group clearly didn't read her works. She was about the individual, and only the individual.[/QUOTE] Look at how many characters in Shrugged or Fountainhead either designed/invented/innovated something and were good. Look at how many didn't and were bad. Now look at how many people were defined as executives or managers and were bad. She definitely had a bias against 'em, because if you had one that wasn't a bad or random character, she shied away from mentioning that end of their life, instead focusing on a childish "you can lead because you're a genius [any position other than manager]" schtick. I know the official line is about individuals but if you can actually fucking read you'll notice she's hypocritical and biased as all fuck. [QUOTE=Pascall;32705801]Businesses just like to lie straight to your face instead of just saying "No, you won't get the job". It's aggravating.[/QUOTE] Have you considered just asking them to confirm it? It won't work if it's a chain or something and the hiring process is external, but if you're just being led around you don't really have anything to lose there.

[QUOTE=Soviet Bread;32705704]That's not capitalist. Capitalism is the exact opposite.[/QUOTE] Because corporate loopholes and money in politics are foundations of capitalism, right? Not corruption or a lack of accountability? It's not a fault of capitalism. That's like saying every communist nation has to be lead by a totalitarian government. Capitalist reform with some socialist influence, combined with corporate reform and a clamp down on money in politics would be a step in the right direction.

[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;32705870] Have you considered just asking them to confirm it? It won't work if it's a chain or something and the hiring process is external, but if you're just being led around you don't really have anything to lose there.[/QUOTE] Yep, I do that too. I ask them to tell me if I won't get the job, but they refuse and just tell me that "we don't know yet". I'm not going to stop trying, but the hiring process these days is just so flawed and oblivious of the applicant's wasted time and patience when they refuse to acknowledge them.

[QUOTE=Pascall;32705950]Yep, I do that too. I ask them to tell me if I won't get the job, but they refuse and just tell me that "we don't know yet". I'm not going to stop trying, but the hiring process these days is just so flawed and oblivious of the applicant's wasted time and patience when they refuse to acknowledge them.[/QUOTE] Have you ever considered doing commissions? I know it's not the same as a salary, but I know you have a thing for art and that could be a good way to make money on the side.

[QUOTE=rilez;32705994]Have you ever considered doing commissions? I know it's not the same as a salary, but I know you have a thing for art and that could be a good way to make money on the side.[/QUOTE] I do those too, but my art isn't fantastic enough to charge more than $2 or so per piece. It's a very meager income. Not really something that I can make a decent profit off of unless I have a good grasp of a lot of different art styles and mediums. I do know people who make a great living off of that sort of thing though, which is awesome.

[QUOTE=Pascall;32706043]I do those too, but my art isn't fantastic enough to charge more than $2 or so per piece. It's a very meager income. Not really something that I can make a decent profit off of unless I have a good grasp of a lot of different art styles and mediums. I do know people who make a great living off of that sort of thing though, which is awesome.[/QUOTE] Is it good enough for a web comic? If you can get together a good one you can get a fair amount of money, and the art quality does not have to be incredible.

[QUOTE=Ogopogo;32706061]Is it good enough for a web comic? If you can get together a good one you can get a fair amount of money, and the art quality does not have to be incredible.[/QUOTE] Despite what you might think, very few web comics are profitable to the point of making an actual living off them. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_webcomic_artists[/url]

[QUOTE=rilez;32705924]Because corporate loopholes and money in politics are foundations of capitalism, right? Not corruption or a lack of accountability? It's not a fault of capitalism. That's like saying every communist nation has to be lead by a totalitarian government.[/quote] What you think corruption and accountability is differs from what capitalism actually entails. It's about profit, morality has nothing in capitalism. Capitalism as a system can't work, nor will it ever. It will ALWAYS have businesses fucking over workers simply to save money, because THAT is the foundation of capitalism, the capital part; making money no matter who gets trampled over. It's a brilliant system if you value money over human worth. And that's a bad comparison because communism hasn't been implemented on a large scale. [quote]Capitalist reform with some socialist influence, combined with corporate reform and a clamp down on money in politics would be a step in the right direction.[/QUOTE] "Capitalist reform with socialist influence" is not capitalism. You can't have a free market with some socialism. It's an oxymoron.

[QUOTE=XD!;32706126]Despite what you might think, very few web comics are profitable to the point of making an actual living off them. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_webcomic_artists[/url][/QUOTE] I was not implying he could live off it solely, just earn a bit more money.

[QUOTE=Soviet Bread;32706135]"Capitalist reform with socialist influence" is not capitalism. You can't have a free market with some socialism. It's an oxymoron.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_market[/url] [editline]9th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Soviet Bread;32706135]And that's a bad comparison because communism hasn't been implemented on a large scale. [/QUOTE] It's just as stupid to deny capitalism as a viable economic system because of what's happening now as it is to to deny communism because of what Stalin did. That's why I made the comparison.

[QUOTE=rilez;32706256][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_market[/url] [editline]9th October 2011[/editline] It's just as stupid to deny capitalism as a viable economic system because of what's happening now as it is to to deny communism because of what Stalin did. That's why I made the comparison.[/QUOTE] The comparison would work if you're implying capitalism hasn't been put properly into place. And Soziale Marktwirtschaft is more of a Keynesian style system then the typical free-market. It's capitalistic, doesn't particularly mean it IS capitalism. Same way certain communes like Arica are communistic, not full blown communist. Though successful. And even then, West-Germany wasn't all that good in terms of economy.

[QUOTE=Soviet Bread;32705704]Two things: I wasn't refering to everyone I mentioned as intelligent, just the gentlemen who owned the flag whom I spoke to personally. Second, the Ron Paul supporters had "end the fed" as their only real point when supporting him. They were few and far between. Because Che was an admirable person. Whether you like him or not, he did a lot of good for people even before he helped in the revolution and was a very, very influential person. If you need to reform it, then it's not bloody successful. That's not capitalist. Capitalism is the exact opposite.[/QUOTE] Guess Che getting hundreds of people killed was OK, as long as you're a communist. [editline]9th October 2011[/editline] [quote=Cuba Archive Truth recovery] Executed by Che in the Sierra Maestra during the anti-Batista guerrilla struggle (1957-1958) 1. ARISTIDIO - 10-57 2. MANUEL CAPITÁN - 1957 3. JUAN CHANG - 9-57 4. “BISCO” ECHEVARRÍA MARTÍNEZ - 8-57 5. EUTIMIO GUERRA - 2-18-57 6. DIONISIO LEBRIGIO - 9-57 7. JUAN LEBRIGIO - 9-57 8. “EL NEGRO” NÁPOLES - 2-18-57 9. “CHICHO” OSORIO - 1-17-57 10. UNIDENTIFIED TEACHER (“EL MAESTRO") - 9-57 11-12. 2 BROTHERS, SPIES FROM THE MASFERRER GROUP - 9-57 13-14. 2 UNIDENTIFIED PEASANTS - 4-5"[/quote]

I don't understand what that chart is. None of those are places. Are you going to actually back that up with anything at all?

[url]http://www.cubaarchive.org/downloads/CA08.pdf[/url] [editline]9th October 2011[/editline] He fucking executed people left and right.

A lot of these seem to be combatants and political executions.

[QUOTE=Soviet Bread;32706779]A lot of these seem to be combatants and political executions.[/QUOTE] Combatants: Legitimate targets. You don't shoot some one for what they've done politically however.