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[QUOTE=Zambies!;32706645]Guess Che getting hundreds of people killed was OK, as long as you're a communist. [editline]9th October 2011[/editline][/QUOTE] Che is remembered because he was instrumental in the Cuban Revolution. To a lot of Latin Americans, the Cuban Revolution was a huge step towards freedom. Not only that but he is looked at as a man who was uncompromising in his quest for an ideal society. A free(in his mind) society. He was asthmatic but he never let it get in the way of his fight. Also, his death is pretty much mythical. Che's supposed last words, as he lays in his death bed, were "Shoot, coward, you're only going to kill a man". They even continued to hack off his hands after he died, as if even in death Che posed a threat. Whether the dude is a good guy or not is completely up to debate, but his life and influence are almost mythical and you should be able to understand why he has a cult like following, especially among Latin Americans.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;32706845]Che is remembered because he was instrumental in the Cuban Revolution. To a lot of Latin Americans, the Cuban Revolution was a huge step towards freedom. Not only that but he is looked at as a man who was uncompromising in his quest for an ideal society. A free(in his mind) society. He was asthmatic but he never let it get in the way of his fight. Also, his death is pretty much mythical. Che's supposed last words, as he lays in his death bed, were "Shoot, coward, you're only going to kill a man". They even continued to hack off his hands after he died, as if even in death Che posed a threat. Whether the dude is a good guy or not is completely up to debate, but his life and influence are almost mythical and you should be able to understand why he has a cult like following, especially among Latin Americans.[/QUOTE] I'm not arguing the point that he "free'd" people. I'm arguing that he shot political prisoners.

[QUOTE=Zambies!;32706860]I'm not arguing the point that he "free'd" people. I'm arguing that he shot political prisoners.[/QUOTE] Yea, he wasn't a "nice" dude by any regard. He was ultimately ruthless and uncompromising, part of the reason he is so mythical.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;32706904]Yea, he wasn't a "nice" dude by any regard. He was ultimately ruthless and uncompromising, part of the reason he is so mythical.[/QUOTE] Well, I understand what you're saying, and I respect it, I will not push it.

[QUOTE=Zambies!;32706860]I'm not arguing the point that he "free'd" people. I'm arguing that he shot political prisoners.[/QUOTE] My original point was that his image was massive, and it's aboslutly ridiculous to say he wasn't influential and it's surprising that people admire him. I'm against all forms of violence, and do not agree with what Che did to their enemies, but there the concept of his legacy extends into what he did on a large scale. He took lives, yes, but he also physically saved many. He was a doctor and a man who brought to light mass starvation in Argentina. In some respects, he's saved countless more lives than those taken during the war. [QUOTE=Medevilae;32706814]Che Guevara visciously suppressed opposition once he gained power in Cuba...[/QUOTE] He didn't gain power in Cuba, he spent a few years out of the country in places like the Soviet Union, China, Algeria and addressing the UN, then went to the Congo.

[img]http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lstxlobcSE1qavtjjo1_500.png[/img] huh

[QUOTE=Lambeth;32707539][img]http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lstxlobcSE1qavtjjo1_500.png[/img] huh[/QUOTE] That's...pretty respectable.

Ugh, my boss today (the same gentleman who thinks Trickle-Down Economics actually [I]worked[/I]) compared the Occupy movement to pre-WWII Germany when Hitler "blamed the troubles of the nation on the prosperous", the Jews in that particular case, in this case the top percentages. Normally he's a pretty nice guy so I like to think that lack of sleep (he averages 3 hours a night) has had an adverse effect on his train of logic. [QUOTE=Pascall;32706043]I do those too, but my art isn't fantastic enough to charge more than $2 or so per piece. It's a very meager income. Not really something that I can make a decent profit off of unless I have a good grasp of a lot of different art styles and mediums. I do know people who make a great living off of that sort of thing though, which is awesome.[/QUOTE] Charge what you want. If people want it, they'll buy it, but you have to make yourself known first. Try a "Pay-What-You-Want" deal, seems to be working for a few folks I watch that have sudden massive bills to pay. The BIG factor in how much you could possibly make off of such an endeavor is how quickly you can crank out commissions. As for wether or not capitalism is bad, I like to compare capitalism to a steam engine. Steam engines in their own right are powerful devices, but if left to run on their own they'll literally work themselves to pieces, so they have to be [I]governed[/I] or regulated to prevent that from happening.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;32707678]Ugh, my boss today (the same gentleman who thinks Trickle-Down Economics actually [I]worked[/I]) compared the Occupy movement to pre-WWII Germany when Hitler "blamed the troubles of the nation on the prosperous", the Jews in that particular case, in this case the top percentages. Normally he's a pretty nice guy so I like to think that lack of sleep (he averages 3 hours a night) has had an adverse effect on his train of logic. [/QUOTE] His comparison doesn't really work, seeing as the Jews weren't viewed as the prosperous but more of the money holders.

[QUOTE=Soviet Bread;32706135] "Capitalist reform with socialist influence" is not capitalism. You can't have a free market with some socialism. It's an oxymoron.[/QUOTE] What the hell do you think the entirety of Scandinavia is Social democracies still have capitalism

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32707802][B]What the hell do you think the entirety of Scandinavia is[/B] Social democracies still have capitalism[/QUOTE]Moose?

[QUOTE=Lambeth;32707539][img]http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lstxlobcSE1qavtjjo1_500.png[/img] huh[/QUOTE] Buddy Roemer is one of those rare people that's conservative, but hates all of the money in politics. He literally won't accept money for his campaign unless it's from an individual, and he won't take more than about $100 max. He also wants to get rid of all of the lobbyists. Of course, due to his social views (anti-abortion and all of that jazz), I wouldn't vote for him, but I wouldn't feel all that bad if he won, either.

[url]http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/10/07/do-occupy-wall-street-protests-represent-your-views-economy/[/url] fox opinion poll on the protests, great results too. Go vote!

Wow seems like even right wing people are like 40-60 split on the issue...

[QUOTE=Zambies!;32706645]Guess Che getting hundreds of people killed was OK, as long as you're a communist. [editline]9th October 2011[/editline][/QUOTE] Actually Che ended up being against the slaughter of civillians and he shot the people who led the guerilla movement into doing such atrocities.

[QUOTE=Soviet Bread;32707778]His comparison doesn't really work, seeing as the Jews weren't viewed as the prosperous but more of the money holders.[/QUOTE] He has a nasty tendency to use Fox News logic in talks about the economy/politics I've noticed.

Che has a pretty bangin' beard

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;32707966]He has a nasty tendency to use Fox News logic in talks about the economy/politics I've noticed.[/QUOTE] He seems like someone with a lot more integrity, however. His ideology might not match with yours, but he seems to be honest and that's at least respectable.

[QUOTE=rundevil;32707867][url]http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/10/07/do-occupy-wall-street-protests-represent-your-views-economy/[/url] fox opinion poll on the protests, great results too. Go vote![/QUOTE]I love how they tried to slant that poll. "Maybe. I don't even know what they want." Is it impossible for someone to be educated on the issue and yet still on the fence? "No. They have no idea how jobs are created or how a free-enterprise system works." Ignoring the fact that they have made it plainly clear that they DO, this ignores the bulk of their reasoning. "Yes. These folks are right about corporate greed and what's happening to the little guy." Well, at least you got this one partly right, but you left out a lot of other points and generally made them sound like they don't really know too much about the issues themselves.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;32707993]He seems like someone with a lot more integrity, however. His ideology might not match with yours, but he seems to be honest and that's at least respectable.[/QUOTE] Not just honest, but not pushy about it. When he mentioned that Reaganomics was a good plan and that it actually worked, I pointed out how it hasn't worked so he said "Let's just agree to disagree".

[QUOTE=Lambeth;32707990]Che has a pretty bangin' beard[/QUOTE] OWS even had their own: [img]http://i.imgur.com/SHdzD.png[/img]

[IMG]http://i56.tinypic.com/2nk0xg8.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=deathstarboot;32708401][IMG]http://i56.tinypic.com/2nk0xg8.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] To be fair, that picture is not actually from the Wall Street protests. [editline]9th October 2011[/editline] That and none of the media sources, even the disparaging ones like Fox News, aren't avoiding reporting on it. MSNBC speaks pretty favorably of the protests and CNN is mixed, so I don't really understand the point of that image.

BTW there is a petition on the White House's We the People site for us to sign to end corporate personhood: [url]http://wh.gov/g5Y[/url]

[QUOTE=The Baconator;32708864]BTW there is a petition on the White House's We the People site for us to sign to end corporate personhood: [url]http://wh.gov/g5Y[/url][/QUOTE] Why do people think that's a bad thing? Corporations being people for the sake of criminal prosecution and liability is a fine thing, and the "money shouldn't be in politics" line is fine but has nothing to do with corporate personhood.

I think most people are against corporate personhood because of the Citizens v. United decision, in which it was used as the main reason why you can't restrict corporate donations to campaigns. I don't know enough about the ins and outs of corporate personhood to say whether as a whole it should be abandoned, but allowing corporation to give unlimited funds to campaigns is definitely something I don't agree with.

I just got back from spending the day at Occupy Los Angels. Find your nearest Occupy event and go there! It is a once in a lifetime experience! I will post pics tomorrow.

[QUOTE=T.F.W.O.;32709919]I just got back from spending the day at Occupy Los Angels. Find your nearest Occupy event and go there! It is a once in a lifetime experience! I will post pics tomorrow.[/QUOTE] Does occupy my couch count? Not our fault we made the successful move to social democracy years ago.

[QUOTE=T.F.W.O.;32709919]I just got back from spending the day at Occupy Los Angels. Find your nearest Occupy event and go there! It is a once in a lifetime experience! I will post pics tomorrow.[/QUOTE]I'm taking care of a few things first. I'm planning to join in once my city starts its full-fledged occupation.

[QUOTE=Contag;32710011]Does occupy my couch count? Not our fault we made the successful move to social democracy years ago.[/QUOTE] And I hear you people whine about your government still.