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[QUOTE=dranei;32730158]The director of the park came about three hours before and said it was pretty much okay for us to be there so long as we didn't damage the plants or art, she was very nice.[/QUOTE] If it's like Zucotti park in New York, the protesters have signs protecting the flowers and art structure on the edge. There isn't a single piece of rubbish or broken flower in any of them, they haven't touched it. So hopefully boston does the same. [editline]11th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Scar;32730233][url=http://www.esslinger-zeitung.de/imageServer/bilderverwaltung/Artikelbilder/20110716/thumbnails/191597_442x499_1607201116sd33b.jpg]#OccupyParis[/url] Ok I will stop now[/QUOTE] I laughed harder at that than I should have.

[QUOTE=Scar;32730233][url=http://www.esslinger-zeitung.de/imageServer/bilderverwaltung/Artikelbilder/20110716/thumbnails/191597_442x499_1607201116sd33b.jpg]#OccupyParis[/url] Ok I will stop now[/QUOTE] Good luck with the upcoming #OccupyMoscow

[QUOTE=voodooattack;32729994]I've just finished reading this thread from the beginning, and I'll only comment regarding one issue: Police brutality. In Egypt, as you may know, we had it much, much worse. Yet at the beginning of the protests (that soon turned into revolution), I found the most interesting aspect was speaking to cops, and observing their reactions and facial expressions. Body language says a lot. While they may give you a stern (or even aggressive) look, on the inside they hurt; they deal with the same problems you're protesting on daily basis. Corruption runs through the force like anywhere else, and in our case, the cops made barely enough money to scrape by, they suffered and their only resort was corruption and bribery to live within the minimum limits and provide for their families. When a cop uses excessive force, they're channelling their frustrations towards the nearest target, you. Surely, some are 'sociopathic' (And I use the term loosely) and some are basically a reincarnation of the obnoxious kid with a toy gun (albeit a real gun this time), but that doesn't mean that all of them act the same way, they may feel like it, but most (or some, depending on where you're at) manage to exercise self-control and restraint. Some feel insecure about reacting to injustice and fear for their jobs (and consequently the fate of their families) and resort to apathy as their way of coping with the situation. To deal with a policeman in protests you need to be aware of this, and you have to try to get them on your side. Talk to them and try to figure out how they feel about this, don't think that their disregard of your words means that they don't care. It means that they want to avoid the subject, that they don't want to confront the conflict going inside their heads and express their frustrations.. at least publicly, unlike yourself. I think this photo says a lot, think of what's going through this cop's head as he stands there contemplating at the protester's sign. Try to reach out and give them the message that you understand this, that you know how they feel and think, and that you respect it. They have a job and they're fulfilling their role, but also remind them of their vows, and how said vows aren't about their loyalty to a government, a corporation, a politician, a superior, nor a leader. Remind them that governments change, leaders change, and that their ultimate loyalty should be to the people, people such as you, standing there in the cold and the rain to try and grant them a better future without corruption and corporate influence, a future where they can provide their families with a better life, along with you and everybody else. If they're willing to hear you out (even if they don't vocally respond), then know that on the inside, they're considering joining you, even if they can't voice it out and support you in public.. yet.[/QUOTE] This is very inspiring.

I'll probably go join the protesters in Chicago whenever I get the chance, seems good to do something about this.

It would be bad if this protest turn into a riot though. Lets hope no one throws a chair.

[QUOTE=DiBBs27;32730514]It would be bad if this protest turn into a riot though. Lets hope no one throws a chair.[/QUOTE] A single bullet by a policemen, well identified and reported on is all it takes.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32730611]A single bullet by a policemen, well identified and reported on is all it takes.[/QUOTE] Yup. It didn't even take that much to start a riot in downtown toronto where i live during G20. Cops cars being set on fire, people everywhere being arrested, even those who were uninvolved. It was a real mess.

Why does Sobotnik hate this protest so much? I mean damn he hates its guts, like they killed his family or something.

[QUOTE=The Baconator;32730886]Why does Sobotnik hate this protest so much? I mean damn he hates its guts, like they killed his family or something.[/QUOTE] fascist...

[QUOTE=thisispain;32730972]fascist...[/QUOTE] Because Fox News Meant to quote The Baconator. Fiddlesticks.

[QUOTE=The Baconator;32730886]Why does Sobotnik hate this protest so much? I mean damn he hates its guts, like they killed his family or something.[/QUOTE] Because he's absolutely certain they're the biggest threat to traffic next to the entire street turning into lava.

May have been posted already, but I came across this: [img]http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lswy1zY1y71qfengno1_500.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=The Baconator;32730886]Why does Sobotnik hate this protest so much? I mean damn he hates its guts, like they killed his family or something.[/QUOTE] I don't want it to cause massive instability, which it will if it continues like this. Mierda de la revolución

Instability is a small price to pay for the ushering of a greater good. Indeed if that is what is really to come of this. Modern society didn't rise from the ashes of stability. We are only stable as a society now because of generations of instability to get us to where we are.

[QUOTE=The Baconator;32724980]So Fox News Radio, a guy on there said "I have photos of a guy there pooping on a cop car, yeah they're nothing like the Tea Party" Implying the Tea Party is glorious. god I hate how Fox News is making the whole protest seems like it's just savages.[/QUOTE] fox news doesn't push a true conservative agenda (death penalty, illegalization of drugs, and army funding are all views for more government control on the free market and people, not less as a conservative believes.) fox news pushes the interest of a powerful class of people, they are literally anti - democracy and get poorer less educated people like sluggo to argue their case for them

[QUOTE=DiBBs27;32731641]Instability is a small price to pay for the ushering of a greater good. Indeed if that is what is really to come of this. Modern society didn't rise from the ashes of stability. We are only stable as a society now because of generations of instability to get us to where we are.[/QUOTE] Revolutions always slow down progress instead of quickening it.

I wonder if they are really going to stay out in the winter. Especially in the northern parts of the US. I mean, like in single digits. I just don't want them to get sick or anything.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32732152]Revolutions always slow down progress instead of quickening it.[/QUOTE] You're... you're joking right? Without revolution, there would never be any fundamental change... [i]ever[/i]. Hence the word "revolution," and not "organized tantrum."

[QUOTE=ThatHippyMan;32730192]I'm going to the Occupy Birmingham protest this Saturday, I think even my dad's coming along.[/QUOTE]Which Birmingham? The Brit one or the Alabama one? [editline]11th October 2011[/editline] Here in Jefferson County, we actually have a rather high chance of seeing at least some of the police force joining the movement. They've seen massive pay cuts and countless layoffs over the last four years and it is no secret that they are unhappy with their current circumstances.

[QUOTE=Ultra Violence;32732214]You're... you're joking right? Without revolution, there would never be any fundamental change... [i]ever[/i]. Hence the word "revolution," and not "organized tantrum."[/QUOTE] Every time a revolution or attempted revolution happens the country gets kicked backwards 30 years. The French Revolution made Europe crack down on every single Liberal they could find, the 1830 and 1848 revolutions made essentially no change either. The French Communards in 1871 ended up making the French hostile to socialism for 30 years. The communist revolutions in the aftermath of the First World War led to a deep fear of Socialists and Communists that allowed right wing authoritarian parties to grow in power. A revolution is ALWAYS bad news. Even if you survive it, you will have a worse life than before and most likely less freedoms than the ones you had before.

[QUOTE=Ultra Violence;32732214]You're... you're joking right? Without revolution, there would never be any fundamental change... [i]ever[/i]. Hence the word "revolution," and not "organized tantrum."[/QUOTE] So are we looking at the possible lead up to Civil War V2 Electric Boogaloo?

lmao no

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32732484]Every time a revolution or attempted revolution happens the country gets kicked backwards 30 years. The French Revolution made Europe crack down on every single Liberal they could find, the 1830 and 1848 revolutions made essentially no change either. The French Communards in 1871 ended up making the French hostile to socialism for 30 years. The communist revolutions in the aftermath of the First World War led to a deep fear of Socialists and Communists that allowed right wing authoritarian parties to grow in power. A revolution is ALWAYS bad news. Even if you survive it, you will have a worse life than before and most likely less freedoms than the ones you had before.[/QUOTE] So how did America get into a bad situation from having a revolution stir its birth? Are we talking about the inital problems with the Articles of Confederation or whatnot?

My political science teacher encouraged us to go join the protest today. I'll be attending #occupyhalifax, and I'll be bring a camera for sure.

[QUOTE=Lazor;32732535]lmao no[/QUOTE] I'm still waiting for anything. With how these protests are spinning off to different cities you can never tell what can happen. But it'd still take a lot for anything on the scale of what I mentioned to occur.

[QUOTE=Drewsko;32732541]So how did America get into a bad situation from having a revolution stir its birth? Are we talking about the inital problems with the Articles of Confederation or whatnot?[/QUOTE] The USA formed mainly because the upper classes whom resided there wanted more power to themselves. The government form in place by the time it was an independent nation was essentially identical to the way the British ran things. (Through an aristocratic oligarchy) Even then it was more of a British Civil War than an actual revolution. (No large scale repressions or a dictatorial form of government.)

Police are far too militarized for a revolution to occur. Along with modern travel technology and a vast amount of land. National guard, the coast guard, etc. Would be mobilized to stop it. Although it would probably have a bunch of people refusing to do anything to the civilians. [editline]11th October 2011[/editline] An American revolution just can't happen in this day and age. Too many countries would get involved because of their interests and it would just be a waste of life.

Revolutions aren't supposed to speed up progress. They are designed to change the direction in which progress is being made. And who the progress benefits. In this case, The protests are about bringing progress to the working class. What type of progress would be made if only the rich got richer and the poor got poorer? That's the path the most western countries are heading for. And I think it's worth at least a little hardship to halt that.

You all have to remember, Military personel, The grunts, the ones doing the hardwork get paid like the rest of the american population. Chances are they won't kill there own kind, and see the corruption.

I hope the fucking Boston police incident just fucking explodes. No goddamn reason to get people in riot gear over a protest. THEY TORE A FUCKING FLAG OUT OF THE HANDS OF A VETERAN! HOW FUCKED UP TO YOU HAVE TO BE TO DO THAT!?!? THAT IS ANTI AMERICAN AT THE VERY DEFINITION!