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[QUOTE=DiBBs27;32732768]Revolutions aren't supposed to speed up progress. They are designed to change the direction in which progress is being made. And who the progress benefits. In this case, The protests are about bringing progress to the working class. What type of progress would be made if only the rich got richer and the poor got poorer? That's the path the most western countries are heading for. And I think it's worth at least a little hardship to halt that.[/QUOTE] If revolutions are meant to benefit the working class, then how come a single revolution has never done such and instead made the poor poorer, made the rich fled the country, killed people in the country, ruined the land and cities along with causing the nation to be potentially annexed or partitioned between neighbours.

[QUOTE=Thyroxin;32732798]You all have to remember, Military personel, The grunts, the ones doing the hardwork get paid like the rest of the american population. Chances are they won't kill there own kind, and see the corruption.[/QUOTE] I don't know about you, but a lot of them would. They would be lied to and would have their internet and TV taken away so that they would not be able to find out the facts.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32732484]Every time a revolution or attempted revolution happens the country gets kicked backwards 30 years. The French Revolution made Europe crack down on every single Liberal they could find, the 1830 and 1848 revolutions made essentially no change either. The French Communards in 1871 ended up making the French hostile to socialism for 30 years. The communist revolutions in the aftermath of the First World War led to a deep fear of Socialists and Communists that allowed right wing authoritarian parties to grow in power. A revolution is ALWAYS bad news. Even if you survive it, you will have a worse life than before and most likely less freedoms than the ones you had before.[/QUOTE] And the American revolution?

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32732843]If revolutions are meant to benefit the working class, then how come a single revolution has never done such and instead made the poor poorer, made the rich fled the country, killed people in the country, ruined the land and cities along with causing the nation to be potentially annexed or partitioned between neighbours.[/QUOTE] I would say that the allied occupation of France was a successful revolution.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32732843]If revolutions are meant to benefit the working class, then how come a single revolution has never done such and instead made the poor poorer, made the rich fled the country, killed people in the country, ruined the land and cities along with causing the nation to be potentially annexed or partitioned between neighbours.[/QUOTE] lol, yea, you win some you lose some i guess.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32732843]If revolutions are meant to benefit the working class, then how come a single revolution has never done such and instead made the poor poorer, made the rich fled the country, killed people in the country, ruined the land and cities along with causing the nation to be potentially annexed or partitioned between neighbours.[/QUOTE] The poor after the Bolshevik revolution were, though still shit, in a much better situation than they were under the Tsar.

[QUOTE=Nikota;32732877]I would say that the allied occupation of France was a successful revolution.[/QUOTE] That wasn't a revolution at all. That was a foreign military force getting rid of another foreign military force. [QUOTE=Soviet Bread;32732874]And the American revolution?[/QUOTE] More like the War of Independence. [QUOTE=Soviet Bread;32732905]The poor after the Bolshevik revolution were, though still shit, in a much better situation than they were under the Tsar.[/QUOTE] I would prefer to live in July 1914 in Russia than in July 1920. Russia was gradually improving, the Dumas were slowly gaining more control over the budget. Education was being invested into, industry was developing, the peasantry was emigrating to the towns and cities. The Tsar was a weak man who in senility would have gradually let the Duma control more of the Empires affairs.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32732913]That wasn't a revolution at all. That was a foreign military force getting rid of another foreign military force. [/QUOTE] Then I guess that America didn't really ever have a revolution. I've been lied to all my life and it took a man with a sweet bro and hella jeff avatar to prove it to me. Thank you...

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32732843]If revolutions are meant to benefit the working class, then how come a single revolution has never done such and instead made the poor poorer, made the rich fled the country, killed people in the country, ruined the land and cities along with causing the nation to be potentially annexed or partitioned between neighbours.[/QUOTE] It may set revolutionaries back, but it's perceived as better than continuing on their current path.

[QUOTE=Nikota;32733104]Then I guess that America didn't really ever have a revolution. I've been lied to all my life and it took a man with a sweet bro and hella jeff avatar to prove it to me. Thank you...[/QUOTE] What the fuck are you talking about? You were talking about the allies occupying France, not the American War of Independence.

Seriously though. Sobotnik. Go to a dictionary and look up the word "Revolution" [editline]11th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;32733265]What the fuck are you talking about? You were talking about the allies occupying France, not the American War of Independence.[/QUOTE] It's the same fucking thing except it's the other way around. A government that is a military elite that has control over a country. People are fighting back to gain their freedom. A larger military force arrives and helps to push them out.

[QUOTE=Nikota;32733270]Seriously though. Sobotnik. Go to a dictionary and look up the word "Revolution"[/QUOTE] A 360 degree turn. You end up exactly in the same spot as before.

[img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/rev.png[/img] I dunno. Sounds the same to me.

I guess that the middle eastern revolutions arent really revolutions either since they got aid from NATO.

Has anyone ever budged with their point of view on the internet? If so, then i've certainly never seen it. Alas, people and their opinions while may not be accepted, should be respected at least.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;32733368]Unless you're talking about a much later period of time.[/QUOTE] The Third Duma specifically and the Fourth One too. Had the war been delayed or progressed more positively for Russia the Duma would gradually have gained more power. Stolypin and Witte were men who both helped to modernise Russia, and despite dismissals their work was not undone. Had the Tsar lived another 20 or 30 years, his lack of male heirs (His only one being afflicted with a crippling disease) and his weakness/senility would have had him slowly give more power to the Duma and ministers as he would retreat from the increasing stress of government business. He himself said many times he did not wish to do the job of ruling and preferred gardening and being with his family. [QUOTE=DiBBs27;32733487]Has anyone ever budged with their point of view on the internet? If so, then i've certainly never seen it. Alas, people and their opinions while may not be accepted, should be respected at least.[/QUOTE] I've never seen anybody change their opinion. Whenever you are a communist, socialist, liberal, anarchist, conservative, reactionary or fascist peoples opinions don't seem to change much. Also whilst somebody may express that they wish people to have their opinion, they are shocked to discover it does not correspond with their own.

pretty certain the cuban revolution also worked in favour of the people considering batista was an even more ruthless ruler than fidel castro also the revolt against the khmer rouge in cambodia.

[QUOTE=DiBBs27;32733487]Alas, people and their opinions while may not be accepted, should be respected at least.[/QUOTE] We should respect the idea that someone wants to repress and cause the death of large amounts of people for personal gain? No.

[QUOTE=Rubs10;32733600]We should respect the idea that someone wants to repress and cause the death of large amounts of people for personal gain? No.[/QUOTE] Thats one of the reasons for the protests :v:

[QUOTE=thisispain;32733498] also the revolt against the khmer rouge in cambodia.[/QUOTE] Occurred because they lost badly in a war against Vietnam and weakened the regime into collaspe.

lmao "set a country back 30 years" as if the progress of a country can be tracked or predicted like that

[QUOTE=Lazor;32733674]lmao "set a country back 30 years" as if the progress of a country can be tracked or predicted like that[/QUOTE] If congress got its hands on the Internet the country would be set back by at least 30 years.

[QUOTE=Lazor;32733674]lmao "set a country back 30 years" as if the progress of a country can be tracked or predicted like that[/QUOTE] The corpses, burned out shells of buildings, wasted farmland, the inactive factories, the twisted railway lines, snapped electrical cables and the such may wish to contest this. Europe was more reactionary to any political change in 1815 than it was in 1785.

Well yeah. Considering the fact that the HRE was broken up recently in that time period.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;32733338]Um... Are we still talking about Nicholas? Because you've said [I]nothing [/I]that even remotely correlates with actual history, and Nicholas' relationship with the Duma. He fucking dissolved the thing because it was filled with radicals and people who wanted to abolish personal private property ownership.[/QUOTE] The only party interested in doing away with private property when Nicholas dissolved the Duma was the Mensheviks, and they were a small minority. Constitutional Democrats, Labour Group members, and Nationalists held no such beliefs. The other groups were mostly liberals, so I don't see what point you're trying to make.

Occupy wall street America making an ass of itself.

[QUOTE=Godline;32733892]America making an ass of itself.[/QUOTE] So what, they should just [I]not protest?[/I]

[QUOTE=Godline;32733892]Occupy wall street America making an ass of itself.[/QUOTE] You literally have not even looked at any page in this thread have you?

so when will the protesters [i]leave[/i]?

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;32734034]so when will the protesters [i]leave[/i]?[/QUOTE] Which ones?