[QUOTE=Sodisna;46414810]I think most vote because they feel a need too. Saying things like "I'm not gonna vote!" or "Voting isn't going to change a thing!" is like saying "God doesn't exist!" in a church, in front of the preacher...[/QUOTE]
See my post above. Both candidates are equally corrupt, equally derp shitlords and there's no point in actually choosing one or the other. Even if by some miracle there was a sensible choice in my state, and they won, it still wouldn't make a lick of difference since that'd be two of a hundred or so. The chances of enough states electing sensible senators to make a difference are on par with winning the powerball, to be frank.
They'll do the same exact shit for the same exact reasons. Yet mentioning that gets one crucified. It's silly.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;46415437]The last bill passed by congress was around March.
[url]http://www.congress-summary.com/C-113th-Congress/Laws_Passed_113th_Congress_Seq.html[/url]
Republicans are going to make Obama veto some shitty bills and then come election, they're going to run on the 'Democrats obstructed congress and we got nothing done because of them! They even veto'd the Puppy and Kitten Protection Act!' platform, and the people and media will eat it up.[/QUOTE]
Probably, they are going to try to crucify the democrats before the next election so we can get a republican president. The democrats would do the same damn thing if the roles were reversed.
[QUOTE=Sableye;46415462]Given that most Americans also supported the liberal policy of marijuana legalization I'd surmise the electorate is a bunch of brainless morons by supporting the democrat message while voting republican[/QUOTE]
That's just a vote grab, Mary Burke tried to pull that in Wisconsin, but it wasn't enough.
We're screwed.
[QUOTE=Glitchman;46415385]Why is everyone saying we're fucked?[/QUOTE]
Because we are. We need change on capitol hill for anything to improve, yet we're not getting that. Doesn't matter which side of the fence you vote on you're still electing a corrupt, self-serving shitlord who cares only about their party and what will pay for their S-class that month.
Well good for them.
I'm glad the republicans won.
Now, If Obama uses executive order than the Republicans will paint him as a tyrant who's exceeding his given power, and if he doesn't he'll be painted as useless, incompetent, and apathetic. I'm sick of the GOPs manipulative scheming and I'm even more sick of the American people believing it.
[QUOTE=Sableye;46415462]Given that most Americans also supported the liberal policy of marijuana legalization I'd surmise the electorate is a bunch of brainless morons by supporting the democrat message while voting republican[/QUOTE]
You realize no all Democrats support legalization, and not all Republicans are against it. Several Republicans like it from a libertarian perspective.
[QUOTE=xend54;46414159]So Obama is useless now?[/QUOTE]
Only when the house and senate want to do a 2/3rds over ride, other than that no.
[QUOTE=Duck M.;46415535]Now, If Obama uses executive order than the Republicans will paint him as a tyrant who's exceeding his given power, and if he doesn't he'll be painted as useless, incompetent, and apathetic. I'm sick of the GOPs manipulative scheming and I'm even more sick of the American people believing it.[/QUOTE]
It's the same fucking shit with anyone who is in power.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;46415548]You realize no all Democrats support legalization, and not all Republicans are against it. Several Republicans like it from a libertarian perspective.[/QUOTE]
That's not what the editorial cartoons, the daily show, or excerpts on the internet I see on the internet say!
I'm not american, so please explain. What do you hate about Obama? I mean, your employment rate is back at the pre-crisis level, it's highly unlikely that Ebola will ever spread outside Africa and to blame him about deep phenomena like ISIS and the new cold war with Russia is... stupid. Am I missing something?
All the election videos I saw were just like "this person is AGAINST Obama's policies" and that's all it took to win
Everyone hates Obama so much that all these republicans won
[QUOTE=Sableye;46415462]Given that most Americans also supported the liberal policy of marijuana legalization I'd surmise the electorate is a bunch of brainless morons by supporting the democrat message while voting republican[/QUOTE]
You must be a brainless moron for thinking that the 2 parties are really different. But seriously, if you think an issue can't be agreed upon by both parties, that one party always has to disagree with it, you are just adding to the deadlock.
[QUOTE=Trogdon;46415567]All the election videos I saw were just like "this person is AGAINST Obama's policies" and that's all it took to win
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Yes, Generally people do vote against the person they don't agree with. That's been happening since 1788.
[QUOTE=laserguided;46414289]So they won both their congress and their senate. Most Americans must support their policy yes?[/QUOTE]
The Senate is apart of Congress..
[QUOTE=Megadave;46415554]It's the same fucking shit with anyone who is in power.[/QUOTE]
If the Republicans have control of the Senate, the house, and the presidency in 2016, which looks increasingly likely by the day, then bills will get passed.
I realize that both parties are fairly moderate, but the GOP is getting increasingly radical across the board, and having this defeatist attitude of "it doesn't matter were fucked anyway" is so annoying
[QUOTE=mfreyrie;46415566]I'm not american, so please explain. What do you hate about Obama? I mean, your employment rate is back at the pre-crisis level, it's highly unlikely that Ebola will ever spread outside Africa and to blame him about deep phenomena like ISIS and the new cold war with Russia is... stupid. Am I missing something?[/QUOTE]
His health care act and his stance on gun control are hated on often in Texas. He also gets blamed for what Democrats do as presidents always are.
[QUOTE=catbarf;46415447]Which is a big part of why the Republicans just won, because a lot of people don't like when the President uses executive orders to enact policy and cirumvent the legislative branch of government. The public perception of Obama right now is an ineffectual autocrat, so it's no surprise that the Republicans could cruise in on a promise to stand up to him.[/QUOTE]
You would have to go all the way back to the 19th Century to find a president who has used less executive orders per year than Obama. He also holds what's probably the all time record for least Presidential Vetoes used (2 so far).
But watch Republicans cry about abuse of power...
Fortunately Obama has demonstrated he can deal with a most obstructive gerrymandered Republican House of Representatives, so I'm sure he can deal with the Senate too. And if that means using Executive powers as a last resort, so be it.
[QUOTE=laserguided;46414289]So they won both their congress and their senate. Most Americans must support their policy yes?[/QUOTE]
It's a vicious cycle of "Aw man the Democrats sucked last time, better try Republican... No wait they suck too, let's see if the Democrats are any better this time aroun- No they suck nuts too, better try Republican... No, wait, Democrat".
[QUOTE=mfreyrie;46415566]I'm not american, so please explain. What do you hate about Obama? I mean, your employment rate is back at the pre-crisis level, it's highly unlikely that Ebola will ever spread outside Africa and to blame him about deep phenomena like ISIS and the new cold war with Russia is... stupid. Am I missing something?[/QUOTE]
1. The Affordable Healthcare Act is over priced, insecure, and completely overstated on the effectiveness the service provides. It would have been much easier to make healthcare optional, then push a law saying that each company must offer a health care system that can cover even some of the lowest income families and the government will pick up the rest.
2. Obama's unaction/actions with ISIS, Russia, etc; lot of people are still wondering why we are getting pulled back into the middle east when it was promised we would be out of it. While at the same time we do little to nothing other than shake our finger at russia shooting down a plane full of people, invading almost half of the Ukraine, and strengthening ties with China.
3. NSA/Snowden, not really his fault as it was most likely set up pre-bush, then after 911 got massive funding. But Obama really hasn't done anything to stop it.
4. Job's, While the amount of jobs have increased, it is more or less due to the fact companies can't work their employees over 37.5hrs without paying a ridiculous amount to the Affordable Healthcare Act, so most have to work 2 jobs.
5. Middle-class taxation, everyone talks about how this is a big issue but Obama really hasn't made it clear how he plans to fix it. As more republicans come off as entrepreneurs and business men, this generally grabs the middle class for promising tax cuts.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46415653]1. The Affordable Healthcare Act is over priced, insecure, and completely overstated on the effectiveness the service provides. It would have been much easier to make healthcare optional, then push a law saying that each company must offer a health care system that can cover even some of the lowest income families and the government will pick up the rest.
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Yeah, but I still do not get it. I mean, Republicans won't try to abolish it since they tried 20 times and more (always failing without democratic help). Now, with the majority, they would actually have a chance, but most analysts reject the idea since it would be an electoral suicide, meaning the american people are starting to use it and appreciating it, although not as hoped back in 2011.
Is it THAT hard just to progressively plagiarize the European system?
Red, blue, Republican, Democrat, they're all as productive as a bunch of shit-slinging monkeys fighting over a puddle of fresh water while standing next to a flowing river.
[QUOTE=mfreyrie;46415683]Yeah, but I still do not get it. I mean, Republicans won't try to abolish it since they tried 20 times and more (always failing without democratic help). Now, with the majority, they would actually have a chance, but most analysts reject the idea since it would be an electoral suicide, meaning the american people are starting to use it and appreciating it, although not as hoped back in 2011. [/quote]
Mit Romney's approach (was) and the approach of much others in the republican party is to push it to the private market while putting policies in place to allow people access to those resources, but not make it mandatory to have healthcare, then getting a laughable solution.
[quote]Is it THAT hard just to progressively plagiarize the European system?[/QUOTE]
Yes, when you realize how much LESS tax we pay, selling a nation on something equal to that is not easy.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46415741]Mit Romney's approach (was) and the approach of much others in the republican party is to push it to the private market while putting policies in place to allow people access to those resources, but not make it mandatory to have healthcare, then getting a laughable solution.
Yes, when you realize how much LESS tax we pay, selling a nation on something equal to that is not easy.[/QUOTE]
Yea people aren't gonna be too happy with a ~20% tax increase on their income.
Everyone tells me I'm a bad citizen for not wanting to identify with a political party :(
I really don't like politics and I don't like the idea of people choosing things for other people. I know I'm suppose to vote but I don't want to get involved in the political mess I hate how it makes people fight...
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;46415638]It's a vicious cycle of "Aw man the Democrats sucked last time, better try Republican... No wait they suck too, let's see if the Democrats are any better this time aroun- No they suck nuts too, better try Republican... No, wait, Democrat".[/QUOTE]
The problem is that while most countries have a selection of parties ranging from right to left wing, America has just 2 parties, one right wing and one extreme right wing. And because the only way to get anything done in American politics is by being part of one of those parties, all the liberals wind up as Democrats. Which makes the Democrats a right wing party with liberal ideas mixed in, otherwise known as a confused mess.
Meanwhile the Republicans were already extreme right wing, but they are now allied with the crazy far far right Tea Party, so they are drifting ever further into batshit levels of right wing extremism and shunning moderate Republicans. Oh yeah, and both parties are riddled with corruption that can only be policed by the people who are corrupt...
Basically you're kinda fucked either way, so pretty much the best you can do is pick out the best Presidential candidate and hope they know what they are doing.
Well, back to Scotland I guess.
They'll probably bloody send me back anyways.
"Oh yeah, we love veterans. As long as they aren't from Oogy Boogy Bongo Bongo Island."
So people want a higher minimum wage, access to abortion, and legal pot... But elect republicans.
See the problem with this. We need a new republican party, one that is more liberal than now.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;46415848]So people want a higher minimum wage, access to abortion, and legal pot... But elect republicans.
See the problem with this. We need a new republican party, one that is more liberal than now.[/QUOTE]
Bring back the Bull Moose party
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