[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;51125187]It still is when you quite literally live on a mountain of money.[/QUOTE]
How much would an acceptable sum be? Who decides the arbitrary number that is considered "enough" to [I]give away to charity[/I]? I would really hate to be a rich public figure and have all of my purchases scrutinized to the point that giving people tens of thousands of dollars is criticized as "not enough". You know he could have just given nothing and avoided the flak from people like you in the first place? People's tendency to complain and attack charitable actions on the basis that they aren't doing enough is incentive to avoid being charitable at all because nothing will ever be enough. If he gave $500,000 people would complain he should give a million and so on.
[QUOTE=TheHydra;51120134]no? you can thank him for being a cunt and doing it. there are tons of cases where people do terrible shit and get away with it due to a legal loophole. do you blame them or blame the system? yeah the system is fucked, but they still did it in the first place.[/QUOTE]
Yeah and you know what? It wouldn't have happened if they weren't allowed to. You can get as pissed and angry as you want at someone for raising the price of a cancer drug or raising the prices of epipens, but if the law never gets changed to make doing that shit illegal, [B]it's going to keep fucking happening.[/B] Shkreli's a cunt, but yeah, I blame the system over him because everyone's reaction to it happening was "wow what a fucking asshole, let's do nothing to stop it from happening again" and then [I]it happened again not even one fucking year later with the epipen.[/I]
i'd help martin with his charitable cause even further by giving him some gold as well
[IMG]http://www.weapons-universe.com/Brass_Knuckles/Light_Knuckles-Tradition-Gold-Medium.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=glitchvid;51124156]Insurance companies have a bottom line they like to keep, these price gouging medications (like epi-pens, or how much hospital visits cost) cause the baseline cost of insurance to skyrocket, and causes the cheaper options to barley cover anything.
The only thing he has done that is good is that he exposed the current trend to fuck US patients over with price gouging.[/QUOTE]
Forget epipens fir a moment because im talking about what martin did soecifically. What he did didnt make insurance baseline cost "skyrocket". And im sure the decision to actually price gouge epipens (which is more of a problem as ive said 3 times bow) was not influenced by martins actions at all
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;51125700]Forget epipens fir a moment because im talking about what martin did soecifically. What he did didnt make insurance baseline cost "skyrocket". And im sure the decision to actually price gouge epipens (which is more of a problem as ive said 3 times bow) was not influenced by martins actions at all[/QUOTE]
Same principle different scale, I do not like Shkreli because of his [I]exploitation[/I] of the American insurance system.
[QUOTE=gk99;51125445]Yeah and you know what? It wouldn't have happened if they weren't allowed to. You can get as pissed and angry as you want at someone for raising the price of a cancer drug or raising the prices of epipens, but if the law never gets changed to make doing that shit illegal, [B]it's going to keep fucking happening.[/B] Shkreli's a cunt, but yeah, I blame the system over him because everyone's reaction to it happening was "wow what a fucking asshole, let's do nothing to stop it from happening again" and then [I]it happened again not even one fucking year later with the epipen.[/I][/QUOTE]
The EpiPen incident is basically like Shkreli without the caveats. Daraprim is used by a small number of people who are almost universally insured, and if you can't afford it, Turing/Skhreli will just give you the medication for free. Shkreli also got arguably [I]more[/I] press coverage and hatred than the EpiPen people, yet a year later nothing has changed and now people are [I]actually being affected[/I] by the EpiPen price hike. The congressional oversight committee yelled at the CEO but as far as I'm aware has taken no steps to counteract the price hike aside from saving face by roasting her on CNET so their constituents will think they're hard on big pharma. Funny how people talk openly about how they want to violently maim and kill Skhreli and even criticize his charitable acts that are going to pay a fatherless child's way through university (and more) some day, but the woman that is actually hurting everyday families who are dependent on EpiPen has gotten away with little to no visceral reaction.
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[QUOTE=glitchvid;51124156]Insurance companies have a bottom line they like to keep, these price gouging medications (like epi-pens, or how much hospital visits cost) cause the baseline cost of insurance to skyrocket, and causes the cheaper options to barley cover anything.
The only thing he has done that is good is that he exposed the current trend to fuck US patients over with price gouging.[/QUOTE]
Given the total number of Daraprim users I highly doubt insurance premiums are going to be noticeably affected by his price hike, unlike with EpiPen which is extremely common and even legally required to be stocked by some companies and venues.
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[QUOTE=glitchvid;51125735]Same principle different scale, I do not like Shkreli because of his [I]exploitation[/I] of the American insurance system.[/QUOTE]
Considering how conniving and downright evil the health insurance industry is I can't say I have a problem with somebody actually getting [I]some[/I] use out of it. It's a system that is profit motivated to deny people treatment and do everything it can to avoid providing the service that it supposedly exists to dispense.
[QUOTE=srobins;51125815]
Considering how conniving and downright evil the health insurance industry is I can't say I have a problem with somebody actually getting [I]some[/I] use out of it. It's a system that is profit motivated to deny people treatment and do everything it can to avoid providing the service that it supposedly exists to dispense.[/QUOTE]
Shkreli is scamming the insurance companies, which in-turn pass that cost off to the people who pay insurance, how is this hard to understand?
You really can't believe that the insurance companies are just going "Oh, it's [I]only[/I] Daraprim, we'll just eat the expense!", this clearly (even if it's a drop in the bucket) something that causes insurance rates to go up.
as much as i fucking hate shkreli, the upsetting part is that he's one of thousands. millions, maybe. rich fucks with corrupt morals using their incredible wealth to sway politics in their favor. he's just shameless enough to let the world see it.
the fact that he's doing this at all makes him at least marginally better than all the suits out there ruining everyone else's lives to fill their pockets that much more, i guess. kind of. not really.
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it's rare you see someone as wealthy as shkreli fuck up as much as he did with pr and just fucking... take it. typically they go straight to trying to bury evidence or the blame is pinned on the company as a whole but he just doesn't give a fuck. it's a pr stunt at this point for him (see this entire charity). in the long run he's somehow managing to drive the reputation of big pharma even further into the ground. it's impressive, really.
[QUOTE=glitchvid;51125834]Shkreli is scamming the insurance companies, which in-turn pass that cost off to the people who pay insurance, how is this hard to understand?
You really can't believe that the insurance companies are just going [B]"Oh, it's [I]only[/I] Daraprim, we'll just eat the expense!"[/B], this clearly (even if it's a drop in the bucket) something that causes insurance rates to go up.[/QUOTE]
Can't I? Health insurance is a massive mult-billion dollar industry in America alone. Daraprim is apparently used by about 2,000 people each year, and there are about 90 million Americans that are covered by health insurance. If health insurance companies actually did change their policies and raise premiums to avoid eating this cost, it'd be something on the order of a few pennies, and that's assuming they would even bother to change the premiums in the first place.
[QUOTE=srobins;51125865]Can't I? Health insurance is a massive mult-billion dollar industry in America alone. Daraprim is apparently used by about 2,000 people each year, and there are about 90 million Americans that are covered by health insurance. If health insurance companies actually did change their policies and raise premiums to avoid eating this cost, i[U]t'd be something on the order of a few pennies[/U], and that's assuming they would even bother to change the premiums in the first place.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=glitchvid;51125735][u]Same principle different scale[/U], I do not like Shkreli because of his [I]exploitation[/I] of the American insurance system.[/QUOTE]
Moreover don't you find it more troubling that your insurance company can just arbitrarily raise everyone's premiums so they can avoid making a tiny bit less money (relative to their already massive profits)? It's scum on both ends of the pole, at least Shkreli is "fucking over" a number of people that is orders of magnitude away from what insurance companies hypothetically would be if they chose to pass the cost onto their customers.
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[QUOTE=glitchvid;51125867]:snip:[/QUOTE]
That's totally fair and I kind of agree, but to be fair that post was addressing a specific question you posed, not your general outlook. I get it, even if there's not a huge tangible effect, he's gaming the system and that's a bad thing overall. I agree on that principle, I just have a hard time mustering any rage about it.
[QUOTE=srobins;51125868]Moreover don't you find it more troubling that your insurance company can just arbitrarily raise everyone's premiums so they can avoid making a tiny bit less money (relative to their already massive profits)? It's scum on both ends of the pole, at least Shkreli is "fucking over" a number of people that is orders of magnitude away from what insurance companies hypothetically would be if they chose to pass the cost onto their customers.[/QUOTE]
I'm not excusing the insurance companies, both are exploiting the american public. I just dislike how everyone in the thread seems to be going "Oh, he's [I]only[/I] exploiting the insurance companies!" which equates to "He's only exploiting people who pay for insurance". Even with how little of an impact, it's still "He's only exploiting people who pay for insurance a [I]tiny[/I] bit".
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Basically, I don't think he's good at all, and I certainly don't think he has a point about "Hey, I'm just taking money from the [I]insurance companies"[/I]", since that just means he's taking a very tiny amount of money from everyone who has to pay for insurance.
[QUOTE=glitchvid;51125876]I'm not excusing the insurance companies, both are fucking the american public. I just dislike how everyone in the thread seems to be going "Oh, he's [I]only[/I] fucking over the insurance companies!" which equates to "He's only fucking over people who pay for insurance". Even with how little of an impact, it's still "He's only fucking over people who pay for insurance a [I]tiny[/I] bit".
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Basically, I don't think he's good at all, and I certainly don't think he has a point about "Hey, I'm just taking money from the [I]insurance companies"[/I]", since that just means he's taking a very tiny amount of money from everyone who has to pay for insurance.[/QUOTE]
I guess I just don't really agree that he's taking money away from people who pay insurance? I mean, this seems like something that should be demonstrable in the real world, has there been any actual notable increase in insurance premiums that is correlated to the Daraprim price hike? Because if not, the entire complaint is dead in the water, no? We can theorize about what insurance companies may or may not do, but we don't really have to because this has all already happened an entire year ago, so if there were any repercussions to follow we should be seeing them by now.
[QUOTE=srobins;51125891]I guess I just don't really agree that he's taking money away from people who pay insurance? I mean, this seems like something that should be demonstrable in the real world, has there been any actual notable increase in insurance premiums that is correlated to the Daraprim price hike? Because if not, the entire complaint is dead in the water, no? We can theorize about what insurance companies may or may not do, but we don't really have to because this has all already happened an entire year ago, so if there were any repercussions to follow we should be seeing them by now.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it's possible (without seeing the internal financial structure / drilldowns) to see a specific price hike due to Daraprim, but it's a in-out system, if the price for a drug is raised to exceptional prices, the insurance company is going to make that money up somewhere eventually, the bottom line is what they care about.
[QUOTE=glitchvid;51125908]I don't think it's possible (without seeing the internal financial structure / drilldowns) to see a specific price hike due to Daraprim, but it's a in-out system, if the price for a drug is raised to exceptional prices, the insurance company is going to make that money up somewhere eventually, the bottom line is what they care about.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but how am I supposed to conclude that insurance premiums for the average insured person are going to go up in a tangible way when the cost of the Daraprim hike would be distributed across 90 million people? Like I said, you're talking about an average increase of a few pennies maximum, assuming the insurance companies even go down the road of making the consumer absorb 100% of the price hike.
[QUOTE=srobins;51125930]Yeah but how am I supposed to conclude that insurance premiums for the average insured person are going to go up in a tangible way when the cost of the Daraprim hike would be distributed across 90 million people? Like I said, you're talking about an average increase of a few pennies maximum, assuming the insurance companies even go down the road of making the consumer absorb 100% of the price hike.[/QUOTE]
Every major insurance company CEO is making upward of $10 Million a year *, I doubt they're the type of companies to just eat losses. They're making that money up somewhere, from every price gouge, be it Daraprim, EpiPens, or just general inflated prices of US healthcare.
*Specifically:
[I]"UnitedHealth Group CEO Stephen J. Hemsley received $66.13 million in compensation last year..[/I]."
[I]"As Chair, President and Chief Executive Officer at ANTHEM INC, Joseph R. Swedish made $13,604,681 in total compensation."[/I]
[I]"Aetna Inc. Chief Executive Mark T. Bertolini's compensation was valued at $17.3 million last year, up from $15.1 million in 2014, reflecting higher stock and option awards."[/I]
[I]"Cordani took home $17.76 million in 2013, including $1 million in salary, $2.16 million in incentive-plan compensation, $3.25 million in value realized upon exercising previously granted options, $11.16 million in value realized upon stocks vesting and more than $150,000 in other compensation..."[/I]
[I]"Louisville, Ky.-based Humana president and CEO Bruce Broussard's total earnings increased 1.98 percent between 2014 and 2015, according to The Courier-Journal. Including combined salary, stock awards and additional compensation, Mr. Broussard earned $10.3 million in 2015. In 2014, his total earnings were $10.1 million."[/I]
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It doesn't mean much that it's [I]only a few cents[/I], if you pay for insurance, you are potentially subsidizing the price-gouging that Shkreli has done, [I]you are paying his salary.[/I]
[QUOTE=srobins;51125216]How much would an acceptable sum be? Who decides the arbitrary number that is considered "enough" to [I]give away to charity[/I]? I would really hate to be a rich public figure and have all of my purchases scrutinized to the point that giving people tens of thousands of dollars is criticized as "not enough". You know he could have just given nothing and avoided the flak from people like you in the first place? People's tendency to complain and attack charitable actions on the basis that they aren't doing enough is incentive to avoid being charitable at all because nothing will ever be enough. If he gave $500,000 people would complain he should give a million and so on.[/QUOTE]
Or he could have just quietly gave the family a indeterminate amount of money and helped a grieving family. Do you honestly believe he would do it this way of he didnt want the attention?
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51127309]Why cant he have both.
Why cant you just look at this, and say "a rich guy doing charity, at least he is doing it, when compared to, like, him not doing it, because he has no obligations whatsoever" ?
If he is making a trade, if he will save the childs future in exchange for some attention, a fad to die in a week, why the fuck not?[/QUOTE]
Because there's nothing genuine about it. Sure folks are getting money, but at the end of the day is so that he can get attention and expand his ego. He literally has enough money that he can do something like this and not have to worry about any financial repercussions. And you're right in that it is a fad that's going to fade out in a week, along with his philanthropic career. You can play the whole "the ends justify the means" card all day but that doesn't change the fact that he's a selfish douche.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;51127478]Because there's nothing genuine about it. Sure folks are getting money, but at the end of the day is so that he can get attention and expand his ego. He literally has enough money that he can do something like this and not have to worry about any financial repercussions. And you're right in that it is a fad that's going to fade out in a week, along with his philanthropic career. You can play the whole "the ends justify the means" card all day but that doesn't change the fact that he's a selfish douche.[/QUOTE]
Who gives a shit?
Your ridiculous hate boner is so strong that you would rather charity not be done than someone dare gain some ego from charity work.
Let him be egotistical, fuck. It's not harming anyone; it's doing the exact opposite.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;51127478]Because there's nothing genuine about it. Sure folks are getting money, but at the end of the day is so that he can get attention and expand his ego. He literally has enough money that he can do something like this and not have to worry about any financial repercussions. And you're right in that it is a fad that's going to fade out in a week, along with his philanthropic career. You can play the whole "the ends justify the means" card all day but that doesn't change the fact that he's a selfish douche.[/QUOTE]
So what that he's a selfish douche? It's the media that constantly give him attention because they love to have a scapegoat to put all the blame on.
Do you ever see the media post about the free investing lessons he gives, and his public google docs with information he gathered?
[url]https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B7KHNVOBFX8qMEs1LWlKamZsRE0[/url]
Did you even know the drug he raised the price on has a lot of side effects and is super old, so by making more money there can be more money put into research to make a better drug and get rid of the side effects?
Yes he acts like a douche a lot but you have to understand the media loves painting him as the evil pharma bad boy, without even listening to his side of the story.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;51127478]Because there's nothing genuine about it. Sure folks are getting money, but at the end of the day is so that he can get attention and expand his ego. He literally has enough money that he can do something like this and not have to worry about any financial repercussions. And you're right in that it is a fad that's going to fade out in a week, along with his philanthropic career. You can play the whole "the ends justify the means" card all day but that doesn't change the fact that he's a selfish douche.[/QUOTE]
Have you considered the distinct possibility that you're just irrationally critical of Shkreli's charity efforts due to completely unrelated events? What did you do today to make somebody's life better? Because Shkreli just handed $100,000 to a family in need, so by my count you're not really in a position to be saying who the good guy is on this scenario.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;51123345]So he knows he's an asshole, knows people want to punch him, so he's trying to capitalize on that as well?
Holy shit this guy is the biggest prick in history. Someone crush his face with a giant medal shaped like a dick.[/QUOTE]
Someone should crush your face with a giant medal shaped like a 'Bad Reading' rating [img]http://wikipunch.com/images/5/56/Book_error.png[/img].
He's not getting his face caved in for profit, it's for his late friend's kid future.
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;51125594]i'd help martin with his charitable cause even further by giving him some gold as well
[IMG]http://www.weapons-universe.com/Brass_Knuckles/Light_Knuckles-Tradition-Gold-Medium.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Is it just me or are these internet badasses coming out of the woodwork really funny?
i'd love to help shkrelli by using a gun instead, so that we can kill him and his late friend can never have any of the money
[QUOTE=343N;51131569]i'd love to help shkrelli by using a gun instead, so that we can kill him and his late friend can never have any of the money[/QUOTE]
what are you doing
is this satire?
Get that guy from Game of Thrones that play the Mountain
[QUOTE=343N;51131569]i'd love to help shkrelli by using a gun instead, so that we can kill him and his late friend can never have any of the money[/QUOTE]
what the fuck dude
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