• Pentecostal Preachers are Pressuring People, Successfully, to Stop Taking HIV Meds
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So, have any of them earned their Darwin awards, yet? Wait... some of them have children so it wouldn't be a Darwin award.
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;41876668]It's shit like this that makes me hope their religion is correct so they'll burn for eternity. Oh wait, they'll go to heaven meanwhile I'll go to hell simply because I said "I don't know if it's right".[/QUOTE] No, you'll go to Limbo 'till Judgement Day and get a second chance to proclaim your belief. Though the whole thing about killing newborns will probably get you sent into one of the rings. And Christians can still go to Hell for using God for their own personal gain, such as medieval clergy did. [editline]18th August 2013[/editline] There's other stuff that can get you sent to Hell even if you're a Christian. This may or may not be one of them.
And then within a few year everyone in the area will wonder what happened to all the Pentecostals. It's like my dad used to say: "When the federal 'Buckle your seat-belt' law came into effect, there were droves of people who shouted that the government is over-reaching and becoming too powerful, and that they wouldn't be told what to do in their own property. You don't see many people like that around these days."
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;41876207]...what the hell is pentecostalism? [/QUOTE] Pentecostals spaz around and speak gibberish thinking God is doing it to them, when it's actually themselves. Kinda like the Quakers of old, only more extreme. Apart from that I have no idea what their beliefs are.
Reminds me of this joke [quote] So there's this huge flood one day, and an entire town looks like it's going to be swallowed up by the waters. And the Police and Rescue Agencies are running all over the place trying to get people to safety. So they send the rescue boat over to this house where a guy's sitting on the roof with the water lapping around his ankles and they say "Come on, quickly, there isn't much time" To which he says "Nah, it's ok, God will Provide" So about an hour later they're zooming past in the boat again and they notice the guy's still there, only the water's up to his waist, almost at the top of the roof.. "Quick" they say, get in the boat, it's going to get worst before it gets better. "Nah, don't worry - God will Provide" An hour after that a rescue helicopter flies over the area and notices the guy, who must be standing on the peak of the roof now, with only his head and shoulders out of the water. "GRAB THE ROPE!" they cry "IT'S YOUR ONLY HOPE!" "Don't worry" he replies calmly "God will provide." So he gets drowned of course. And he goes to heaven, and is a little ticked off with god for drowing him like that, and expresses his concern saying "I had FAITH, I BELIEVED in you - and still you didn't help me" "HELP YOU?!" God replies "What MORE did you want - I sent you two boats and a helicopter!" [/quote] In short, these people can't get to grp with the fact that maybe medicines etc are gods way of helping out.
[QUOTE=Moustacheman;41879033]No, you'll go to Limbo 'till Judgement Day and get a second chance to proclaim your belief. Though the whole thing about killing newborns will probably get you sent into one of the rings. And Christians can still go to Hell for using God for their own personal gain, such as medieval clergy did. [editline]18th August 2013[/editline] There's other stuff that can get you sent to Hell even if you're a Christian. This may or may not be one of them.[/QUOTE] Rings? The rings of hell aren't part of actual belief as far as I know, it was from the poem Dante's Inferno, which I'm fairly sure is just considered as fiction.
[QUOTE=elevate;41879079]Pentecostals spaz around and speak gibberish thinking God is doing it to them, when it's actually themselves. Kinda like the Quakers of old, only more extreme. Apart from that I have no idea what their beliefs are.[/QUOTE] literally half of the church my mom is going to does that and i cant understand anything about it. i've even seen her do the gibberish thing after she talked to me about god [editline]edit[/editline] haven't noticed any to the point of believing god will help them through every trouble, at least im scared now
Pentecostals can't wear jewelry or dance or listen to music outside of a church
I am going to go on a limb and say all radicalism is fucking stupid. Middle path is the way to go.
[QUOTE=Moustacheman;41876674]It's twits like this that give us normal Protestants a bad rap. [editline]17th August 2013[/editline] I mean shit my church is helping pay for HIV meds for folks.[/QUOTE] no, what gives you a bad rap is your nonsense beliefs and the fact that the book that's supposed to govern your life is full of endless bigotry.
[QUOTE=Bruhmis;41880086]no, what gives you a bad rap is your nonsense beliefs and the fact that the book that's supposed to govern your life is full of endless bigotry.[/QUOTE] Every hat in my house turned into a fedora just from reading that sentence. On topic, I'm gonna jump on the bandwagon and say that, as a Christian, this is some of the stupidest shit I've ever heard.
Did they ever stop and think that maybe God is working through the doctors to help treat HIV? [editline]18th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Bruhmis;41880086]no, what gives you a bad rap is your nonsense beliefs and the fact that the book that's supposed to govern your life is full of endless bigotry.[/QUOTE] What gives Christians bad rap is the many churches in the religion that have their own idea of what the Bible says, how you should run your life, ect. And none of them can make up their mind. So you have Baptists saying how God hates fags, and now Pentecostals telling HIV patients to stop taking the medicine they need to live. That kind of crap turns people away from the very thought of Christianity.
[QUOTE=slayer64;41880203]Every hat in my house turned into a fedora just from reading that sentence. On topic, I'm gonna jump on the bandwagon and say that, as a Christian, this is some of the stupidest shit I've ever heard.[/QUOTE] it must be such a relief that you have reddit to somehow justify your immorality and stupidity to yourself. since you're christian we'll all go ahead and assume you're part of the KKK since making ridiculous generalizations is obviously the best coarse of action.
[QUOTE=Bruhmis;41880290]it must be such a relief that you have[B] reddit to somehow justify your immorality and stupidity[/B] to yourself. since you're christian we'll all go ahead and assume you're part of the KKK since making ridiculous generalizations is obviously the best coarse of action.[/QUOTE] Wait, what?
[QUOTE=Auto Taco;41880248]Did they ever stop and think that maybe God is working through the doctors to help treat HIV? [editline]18th August 2013[/editline] What gives Christians bad rap is the many churches in the religion that have their own idea of what the Bible says, how you should run your life, ect. And none of them can make up their mind. So you have Baptists saying how God hates fags, and now Protestants telling HIV patients to stop taking the medicine they need to live. That kind of crap turns people away from the very thought of Christianity.[/QUOTE] if literally nobody in history ever had ''their own idea of what the bible says'' then all christians would be homophobic, child murdering slave owners. [editline]18th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Auto Taco;41880301]Wait, what?[/QUOTE] *any criticism of any religion* ''fedora fedora reddit neckbeard fedora fedora tip my fedora fedora.'' -90% of christians on the internet.
i think the real problem is Christianity [I]in power[/I] rather than just the beliefs on their own. hopefully once gay marriage becomes the national standard (as it should be), those homophobic fuckwits will slowly die off
[QUOTE=Bruhmis;41880305] [editline]18th August 2013[/editline] *any criticism of any religion* ''fedora fedora reddit neckbeard fedora fedora tip my fedora fedora.'' -90% of christians on the internet.[/QUOTE] You aren't just "criticizing" religion, you're being a dickhead. Just stop.
[QUOTE=slayer64;41880426]You aren't just "criticizing" religion, you're being a dickhead. Just stop.[/QUOTE] I'm not the only one who's sick of people like you that try to claim superiority over others within your religion who practice it differently, then blaming these people for the fact that you have a shit reputation that you've all earned yourselves. free advice: if you don't want to be criticized for having stupid beliefs, stop believing stupid things.
[QUOTE=Bruhmis;41880476]I'm not the only one who's sick of people like you that try to claim superiority over others within your religion who practice it differently, then blaming these people for the fact that you have a shit reputation that you've all earned yourselves. free advice: if you don't want to be criticized for having stupid beliefs, stop believing stupid things.[/QUOTE] Again with the douchebaggery. Could you kindly shut the fuck up and learn that what you consider to be "stupid beliefs" are actually worldviews that the majority of humanity take seriously? If you don't want to be criticized for being a dick, stop being a dick.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;41880580]I don't think namecalling will change anyones stance on anything. Your post had some "negative energy" I'm feeling.[/QUOTE] I'm not trying to change his stance, I'm trying to tell him to quit being a jackass about it.
[QUOTE=slayer64;41880557]Again with the douchebaggery. Could you kindly shut the fuck up and learn that what you consider to be "stupid beliefs" are actually worldviews that the majority of humanity take seriously? If you don't want to be criticized for being a dick, stop being a dick.[/QUOTE] you expect me to concern myself with what people take seriously? there are millions of people who believe elvis faked his death and is still alive somewhere. I don't see these people getting any amount of respect based on their numbers. somewhere down the line, if people like you still exist, you're going to have to accept that what you believe is something that is proven to be factually false by common knowledge readily available to you.
[QUOTE=Whiterfire;41879865]I am going to go on a limb and say all radicalism is fucking stupid. Middle path is the way to go.[/QUOTE] as if. People really believe this ? This is some kindergarten tier logic.
[QUOTE=Cone;41880355]i think the real problem is Christianity [I]in power[/I] rather than just the beliefs on their own. hopefully once gay marriage becomes the national standard (as it should be), those homophobic fuckwits will slowly die off[/QUOTE] What I don't understand is why people focus on that one verse in Leviticus where it talks about gays being an abomination, but in Matthew it says to love your neighbor. The Bible is very contradictory like that. Hell, maybe that is why with religion, faith is required.
[QUOTE=Whiterfire;41879865]I am going to go on a limb and say all radicalism is fucking stupid. Middle path is the way to go.[/QUOTE]I'd much prefer someone who's radically anti-slavery to someone who e.g. permits it under certain circumstances and conditions, or whatever bollocks would count as the middle path in that case. Saying the middle path is always the right one under any circumstances is pure intellectual laziness. [QUOTE=Auto Taco;41881283]What I don't understand is why people focus on that one verse in Leviticus where it talks about gays being an abomination, but in Matthew it says to love your neighbor. The Bible is very contradictory like that. Hell, maybe that is why with religion, faith is required.[/QUOTE] Warning: massive image: [url]http://sciencebasedlife.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/biblecontradictions-reasonproject.png[/url] That image gives a graphical representation (as well as cites which verses) of the contradictions in the Bible. They can be readily verified yourself by either a nearby hard copy of the Bible, or any of the various sites on the Internet that have a digital version of the Bible (in most of it's editions) you can search through.
[QUOTE]Others were breastfeeding mothers with HIV who refused the medicine that would stop the virus being passed onto their babies [/QUOTE] Fucking hell people can do whatever dumb jazz they want to their own body but that just makes me sad
Well, have fun praying while you waste away and die, I guess. Might as well save the drugs for people who actually want to survive.
[QUOTE=Auto Taco;41880248]Did they ever stop and think that maybe God is working through the doctors to help treat HIV? [editline]18th August 2013[/editline] What gives Christians bad rap is the many churches in the religion that have their own idea of what the Bible says, how you should run your life, ect. And none of them can make up their mind. So you have Baptists saying how God hates fags, and now Protestants telling HIV patients to stop taking the medicine they need to live. That kind of crap turns people away from the very thought of Christianity.[/QUOTE] Hey don't brand Protestants in the same group as pentecostals
[QUOTE=Bruhmis;41880780]you expect me to concern myself with what people take seriously? there are millions of people who believe elvis faked his death and is still alive somewhere. I don't see these people getting any amount of respect based on their numbers. somewhere down the line, if people like you still exist, you're going to have to accept that what you believe is something that is proven to be factually false by common knowledge readily available to you.[/QUOTE] How in the fuck are my religious beliefs "proven to be factually false by common knowledge"? Seriously, you must be an elite member of the Dawkins special forces division. No one has ever fucking proven my religion false, EVER, scientifically or otherwise. Deal with it. You are seriously one of the most conceited bastards on here. Really, you're whole argument can basically be boiled down to: "I say this is wrong and stupid, therefore it is wrong and stupid, so stop believing it because I say it's wrong and stupid." You are not contributing anything to the conversation anymore, and I have a feeling that you're just getting pissy because someone is actually calling you out on your bullshit.
[QUOTE=slayer64;41881943]I have a feeling that you're just getting pissy because someone is actually calling you out on your bullshit.[/QUOTE] irony much? i was with you up until you posted that, but im sorry there's absolutely no evidence for what you believe, scientifically it's pretty much as false as anything can be
[QUOTE=slayer64;41881943]How in the fuck are my religious beliefs "proven to be factually false by common knowledge"? Seriously, you must be an elite member of the Dawkins special forces division. No one has ever fucking proven my religion false, EVER, scientifically or otherwise. Deal with it. You are seriously one of the most conceited bastards on here. Really, you're whole argument can basically be boiled down to: "I say this is wrong and stupid, therefore it is wrong and stupid, so stop believing it because I say it's wrong and stupid." You are not contributing anything to the conversation anymore, and I have a feeling that you're just getting pissy because someone is actually calling you out on your bullshit.[/QUOTE] Maybe he's calling your belief stupid because you worship a 2000 year old storybook.
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