• Pentecostal Preachers are Pressuring People, Successfully, to Stop Taking HIV Meds
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;41883422]If you're going to disregard the whole religion anyways and just keep the little bit and piece here and there, what's the point that's just a bit of critical thinking away from disbelief.[/QUOTE] That's pretty much how I felt back when I was a Christian. I was "intellectually dishonest" with myself, like you said in your earlier post, and the only reason I kept up the charade was in fear of Hell. Speaking of that, I dislike religion's emphasis on Hell. All it does is make your life miserable.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;41883422]If you're going to disregard the whole religion anyways and just keep the little bit and piece here and there, what's the point that's just a bit of critical thinking away from disbelief.[/QUOTE] no christianity is defined in all its forms across the board by an acceptance of jesus' divinity and existence as the son of god
[QUOTE=Hellduck;41883480]no christianity is defined in all its forms across the board by an acceptance of jesus' divinity and existence as the son of god[/QUOTE] I think HumanAbyss is going with a more literal interpretation of the Bible, that if you don't believe in what the Bible says, you might as well not be a Christian at all. I'm sure you and I both know what he's referring to, but you are right on the definition of Christianity.
[QUOTE=Hellduck;41883480]no christianity is defined in all its forms across the board by an acceptance of jesus' divinity and existence as the son of god[/QUOTE] no it also requires the belief that he was born of a virgin and died and was later resurrected and ascended to heaven to be with himself in heaven
[QUOTE=elevate;41883499]I think HumanAbyss is going with a more literal interpretation of the Bible, that if you don't believe in what the Bible says, you might as well not be a Christian at all. I'm sure you and I both know what he's referring to, but you are right on the definition of Christianity.[/QUOTE] he may well be, but if he is then he's gone off on a tangent because all i'm arguing is that not all christians except the entirety of the bible as (if you'll pardon the pun) gospel
[QUOTE=elevate;41883499]I think HumanAbyss is going with a more literal interpretation of the Bible, that if you don't believe in what the Bible says, you might as well not be a Christian at all. I'm sure you and I both know what he's referring to, but you are right on the definition of Christianity.[/QUOTE] more or less.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;41883532]no it also requires the belief that he was born of a virgin and died and was later resurrected and ascended to heaven to be with himself in heaven[/QUOTE] ok? that doesnt really change my point, those are pretty broad guidelines
[QUOTE=Hellduck;41883534]he may well be, but if he is then he's gone off on a tangent because all i'm arguing is that not all christians except the entirety of the bible as (if you'll pardon the pun) gospel[/QUOTE] I'm arguing against what you're saying. What's the point in the belief itself when you're going to discount what makes the religions basis of belief historically and theologically? If you've got the rational to discount a whole lot of the obviously wrong things in the bible, both factually and morally, then what is making you hold on to a now unsupported set of beliefs
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;41883552]I'm arguing against what you're saying. What's the point in the belief itself when you're going to discount what makes the religions basis of belief historically and theologically? If you've got the rational to discount a whole lot of the obviously wrong things in the bible, both factually and morally, then what is making you hold on to a now unsupported set of beliefs[/QUOTE] because you dont choose what you believe? "what's the point?" is a totally asinine argument they believe it because thats what they think is true
[QUOTE=Hellduck;41883589]because you dont choose what you believe? "what's the point?" is a totally asinine argument they believe it because thats what they think is true[/QUOTE] no you absolutely choose what you believe
no you come to the conclusion that you find most reasonable based on past experience. in the case of the religious its because they havent been presented enough evidence to realise the truth or have had their beliefs reinforced too often by others, it is not a choice
[QUOTE=Hellduck;41883635]no you come to the conclusion that you find most reasonable based on past experience. in the case of the religious its because they havent been presented enough evidence to realise the truth or have had their beliefs reinforced too often by others, it is not a choice[/QUOTE] no belief is a choice you make through critical thinking.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;41883768]no belief is a choice you make through critical thinking.[/QUOTE] the conclusion of your critical thinking is not a choice. i know through critical thinking that 2 + 2 is 4, it's not my choice to believe this. if all the evidence i had been presented with and all my previous experiences pointed towards the existence of a god then i would have no choice but to believe it.
[QUOTE=Coffee;41881847]Hey don't brand Protestants in the same group as pentecostals[/QUOTE] Oops, fixed that. [editline]18th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Sgt Doom;41881404]I'd much prefer someone who's radically anti-slavery to someone who e.g. permits it under certain circumstances and conditions, or whatever bollocks would count as the middle path in that case. Saying the middle path is always the right one under any circumstances is pure intellectual laziness. Warning: massive image: [URL]http://sciencebasedlife.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/biblecontradictions-reasonproject.png[/URL] That image gives a graphical representation (as well as cites which verses) of the contradictions in the Bible. They can be readily verified yourself by either a nearby hard copy of the Bible, or any of the various sites on the Internet that have a digital version of the Bible (in most of it's editions) you can search through.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure other religious texts do the same thing. For example, I believe the Koran also contradicts itself, albeit in a different way than the Bible does. But you need to remember that the gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) were written through the viewpoints of 4 different men, some supposedly were with Jesus and his disciples, some also supposedly just interviewed those who had witnessed what Jesus did such as the miracles, and wrote them down based on the information that was gathered. [editline]18th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Hellduck;41883993]the conclusion of your critical thinking is not a choice. i know through critical thinking that 2 + 2 is 4, it's not my choice to believe this. if all the evidence i had been presented with and all my previous experiences pointed towards the existence of a god then i would have no choice but to believe it.[/QUOTE] Again, this is why religion has this thing called Faith.
[QUOTE=Hellduck;41883993]the conclusion of your critical thinking is not a choice. i know through critical thinking that 2 + 2 is 4, it's not my choice to believe this. if all the evidence i had been presented with and all my previous experiences pointed towards the existence of a god then i would have no choice but to believe it.[/QUOTE] no that's not really how critical thinking works.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;41884726]Actually you could still delude yourself into believing 2 + 2 did not equal 4, especially if you were brainwashed at birth to think it was 5 instead.[/QUOTE] which is exactly my point, but it still wouldnt be my choice
[QUOTE=Hellduck;41885253]which is exactly my point, but it still wouldnt be my choice[/QUOTE] so do you have choice or not because if you can't choose what to believe, you can't much choose anything
the fuck is wrong with people, preachers like this shouldn't consider themselves to be Christian
[QUOTE=Native Hunter;41885472]the fuck is wrong with people, preachers like this shouldn't consider themselves to be Christian[/QUOTE] yes they should
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[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;41877206]I really wish religion didn't have this big of a say in peoples lives. Some people are so desperate for guidance and acceptance they'll listen to anything a pastor says so they can trick themselves into thinking they're doing the right thing.[/QUOTE] Yea because it's the religion that causes this right? You know atheism has a big say in a lot of peoples lives. Listen EVERY person has a belief system and just because they follow a religious one doesn't mean they are desperate for guidance.
[QUOTE=avincent;41885605]Yea because it's the religion that causes this right? You know atheism has a big say in a lot of peoples lives. Listen EVERY person has a belief system and just because they follow a religious one doesn't mean they are desperate for guidance.[/QUOTE] How does atheism, a distinct lack of belief about a diety have as big an impact on my life as say, believing that jesus christ was born of a virgin and that god exists and has the ability to have direct influence in the world? Those are vastly different levels of belief and if you want anyone to ever take you seriously when you make a ridiculous claim like this, you might want to substantiate it with some level of reasoning. does atheism have any tenants to it that says you can't take your HIV meds? no.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;41885766]How does atheism have a big say? It doesn't guide anyone in one direction, it's just neutral. It doesn't do anything.[/QUOTE] THANK you, this needs to be said: especially in the wake of "Atheism+". [editline]19th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Auto Taco;41884434] Again, this is why religion has this thing called Faith.[/QUOTE] Faith is a slippery slope, one day you believe homeopathy can cure people, the next day you're convinced that god hates gays, and so on. When you can freely believe anything without proof, anything can be justified.
[QUOTE=Moustacheman;41883241]I regard it as part of Hell cause I really couldn't see Hell as just a big cave full of fire. What I mean is I feel there are different punishments for different sins, each one befitting to the greatest sin you have committed.[/QUOTE] Dante's Inferno occupies the same place in Christian canon as the Darksiders video games do. Basically all the pop culture understanding of Christianity comes from outside sources, even hell as a "cave full of fire" isn't a part of Christianity let alone the circles
[QUOTE=slayer64;41880203]Every hat in my house turned into a fedora just from reading that sentence[/QUOTE] Gunna be honest mate, from what ive seen of your posts whenever someone says they dont belive in god- you are so much worse than the evil atheists you are always bagging on. heres why- lets pretend Atheists like one sport, and Theists like a different sport. The athiests in these threads are saying- "man i think that other sport is really dumb, like, half the rules dont even make sence what the hell?" And you are saying- "Anyone who likes that other sport is a fat fedora wearing virgin with no life and no friends haha i bet you watch mlp lol- i dont even have to come up with any legit criticism becuase i can just insult the fuck out of the other poster!" one side is making INCREDIBLY valid criticism of a belief system, while the other (you m8) just keeps personally attacking anyone who holds those views with retarded memes and childish insults and yet you think the atheist posters are the douche-bags? now i want you to know, im not tryin to get your goat with this, but, seriously grow up dude.
[QUOTE=Auto Taco;41884434]I'm pretty sure other religious texts do the same thing. For example, I believe the Koran also contradicts itself, albeit in a different way than the Bible does. But you need to remember that the gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) were written through the viewpoints of 4 different men, some supposedly were with Jesus and his disciples, some also supposedly just interviewed those who had witnessed what Jesus did such as the miracles, and wrote them down based on the information that was gathered.[/QUOTE]The inconsistencies aren't limited to those 4 blokes, it goes through the Old Testament as well, which in the words of 2 Peter 1:20-21 : "Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." Similar lines in all the gospels.
[QUOTE=Neo222;41876521]Annnd this is why I hate religion. Sure its good and all at times, but most cases, we get cases like this. Why tell people to stop using something good in exchange for 'god's blessings'?[/QUOTE] yeah this is what happens most of the time definitely
[QUOTE=TehAgentGuy;41876491]As a Christian, I find this stupid.[/QUOTE] I went to a catholic school for 8 years. I remember the nuns telling us explicitly not to take the bible word for word, because that makes us extremists. So, in short, the catholic church fucking hates these too probably.
[QUOTE=Eltro102;41893061]yeah this is what happens most of the time definitely[/QUOTE] Yes. It does. You're fully ignorant if you don't acknowledge the more than handful of religions out there that dictate what their faithful are capable of doing with their body. There are a LOT of religions that don't allow blood transfusions or other medical procedures, so yes, it does.
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