#GamerGate bar meetup disrupted by bomb threats in Washington DC
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[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;47653582]Gamergate is Hamas and Anti-Gamergate is the Taliban
I can't stand either of them at this point and I want them both to run each other into the ground[/QUOTE]
Now you're comparing gamergate to a terrorist organization. Well it wouldn't be the first time someone has done that. Also, you should think before you talk
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;47653582]Gamergate is Hamas and Anti-Gamergate is the Taliban
I can't stand either of them at this point and I want them both to run each other into the ground[/QUOTE]
Your analogy is complete crap & telling everyone that you don't care either way is pretty much just shitposting but I'm amused that you chose hamas as GG and the taliban as agg.
[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;47653622]Now you're comparing gamergate to a terrorist organization. Well it wouldn't be the first time someone has done that. Also, you should think before you talk[/QUOTE]
Gamergate was originally about something good but has devolved into attacking those unaligned with gamergate and, as of yet, has achieved little more than further dividing the gaming community.
Anti-gamergate has done nothing but harass members of GG and generally make the environment miserable for both parties.
And then there's everyone else in between who just want to make, play and enjoy video games, but are essentially forced to take sides in what is nothing more than a chimp shitflinging competition
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;47653769]Gamergate was originally about something good but has devolved into attacking those unaligned with gamergate and, as of yet, has achieved little more than further dividing the gaming community.
Anti-gamergate has done nothing but harass members of GG and generally make the environment miserable for both parties.
And then there's everyone else in between who just want to make, play and enjoy video games, but are essentially forced to take sides in what is nothing more than a chimp shitflinging competition[/QUOTE]
Care to elaborate on that first part there? How has GG attacked anyone and everyone who don't align with their views?
Gamergate's still working towards it's goals and has done more than a few of them. I'd say it's not devolved at all. It's just that there's less to work with right now, but we still have the narrative being pushed out that we're all horrible people in ways that are purely assumptive and untrue and unfounded.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;47651500]Got any explanation for why you took a pot shot at him by bringing up the past when it wasn't relevant?
He said his piece and left, what's the point of taking shots at him after that? people are entitled to opinions as well, there was a reasonable discussion afterwards.[/QUOTE]
It isn't a taken shot, it's a legit question. Secondly, I'm not the person stating my beliefs in a drive by and then waltzing off so that I can't called to account.
Opinions tend be more relevant when they're backed up by things like facts or observable trends/data
Still waiting.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;47653769]Gamergate was originally about something good but has devolved into attacking those unaligned with gamergate and, as of yet, has achieved little more than further dividing the gaming community.
Anti-gamergate has done nothing but harass members of GG and generally make the environment miserable for both parties.
And then there's everyone else in between who just want to make, play and enjoy video games, but are essentially forced to take sides in what is nothing more than a chimp shitflinging competition[/QUOTE]
You're thinking of aGG who attacks anyone who isn't aligned with them. They don't believe in neutrality, and I wish I was joking.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47653289]I also love how I broke your argument down and you ignored it to rebuke the idea you're capable of racism. It says something about you.
[editline]3rd May 2015[/editline]
Will you ever move past guilty by fucking association? Ever?[/QUOTE]
I don't think you understand what guilty by association means. Milo and those other wonderful characters aren't just there, taking up space. They are supported and work with other gators, a lot. Working with somebody isn't guilt by association. That's straight-up association and collaboration. Just because you don't support Milo doesn't mean a thing. Your individual beliefs don't speak for such a large group.
[QUOTE=Crimor;47653419]Did you seriously just go "I'm black so I can't be racist!"[/QUOTE]
I was being a smart ass. My race or sexuality doesn't actually matter right now.
[QUOTE=axelord157;47654031]I don't think you understand what guilty by association means. Milo and those other wonderful characters aren't just there, taking up space. They are supported and work with other gators, a lot. Working with somebody isn't guilt by association. That's straight-up association and collaboration. Just because you don't support Milo doesn't mean a thing. Your individual beliefs don't speak for such a large group.
I was being a smart ass. My race or sexuality doesn't actually matter right now.[/QUOTE]
And the individual collaborations of those few in the group who do work with them DO speak for the whole group? Do you understand how guilty by association or are you just projecting your lack of understanding of it onto me? You use it constantly, non stop, for every element of your argument. You failed to refute any of the points you started off with about Quinn, harassment, or hate groups.
Really? So why'd you bring it up when you were being told that by stripping those people of their identities you were both being sexist, and racist? If it wasn't a refutation of the claims of racism and sexism on your part, what was? You're a bisexual black man, how can you be either of those things right? But you are, and you demonstrated as such by saying that all of NYS is sock puppet and astroturf regardless of how un fucking true that is.
And I don't think using a bunch of 4chan snipped posts to "prove" this movement is hateful is actually persuasive or effective as again, it falls under guilty by association.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47654084]And the individual collaborations of those few in the group who do work with them DO speak for the whole group? Do you understand how guilty by association or are you just projecting your lack of understanding of it onto me? You use it constantly, non stop, for every element of your argument. You failed to refute any of the points you started off with about Quinn, harassment, or hate groups.
Really? So why'd you bring it up when you were being told that by stripping those people of their identities you were both being sexist, and racist? If it wasn't a refutation of the claims of racism and sexism on your part, what was? You're a bisexual black man, how can you be either of those things right? But you are, and you demonstrated as such by saying that all of NYS is sock puppet and astroturf regardless of how un fucking true that is.
And I don't think using a bunch of 4chan snipped posts to "prove" this movement is hateful is actually persuasive or effective as again, it falls under guilty by association.[/QUOTE]
I'm being called sexist and racist for suggesting NYS has some fake members. Holy shit, is this what Tim Schafer felt like? I'm honestly surprised I took Gamergate seriously for a while after that event. I guess you could say Gamergate was triggered by Tim.
[QUOTE=axelord157;47654246]I'm being called sexist and racist for suggesting NYS has some fake members. Holy shit, is this what Tim Schafer felt like? I'm honestly surprised I took Gamergate seriously for a while after that event. I guess you could say Gamergate was triggered by Tim.[/QUOTE]
Suggesting? You weren't suggesting. You said it like it was a hard fact.
If you want to feel like you're being persecuted by us, then fine, but you're not. You're saying things that have no basis in reality, while insisting they're facts. You ignore arguments and insist we're all guilty of the actions of individuals, whilst forgoing such an accusation against yourself when it is fully justified to ask the same of you.
So now you're making a joke about triggering? I guess it's always funny when someone you revile is the punchline?
You never returned to arguments you were refuted in. Like how Zoe Quinn actually doxxed and swatted Cernovich, but no, that's fine, we can just ignore that. Just stop acting like you're being persecuted for no good reason. It's because you've spouting shit like it was gospel.
What I love about Gamergate is its ability to band both left and right wingers together who all share a common goal to fix journalism.
And I also love how it turns every forum into a bloody fucking battleground.
[QUOTE=axelord157;47654246]I'm being called sexist and racist for suggesting NYS has some fake members. Holy shit, is this what Tim Schafer felt like? I'm honestly surprised I took Gamergate seriously for a while after that event. I guess you could say Gamergate was triggered by Tim.[/QUOTE]
Except Tim Schaefer was making a joke whose punchline was literally "everyone who has ever posted using #NotYourShield is a sockpuppet" which is not only an incredibly stupid generalization in the face of dozens upon dozens of tweets, but is also just plain fucking rude and is essentially stripping people of their identities.
It's literally a fat white guy telling you "lol you're not really ethnic"
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47654287]Suggesting? You weren't suggesting. You said it like it was a hard fact.
If you want to feel like you're being persecuted by us, then fine, but you're not. You're saying things that have no basis in reality, while insisting they're facts. You ignore arguments and insist we're all guilty of the actions of individuals, whilst forgoing such an accusation against yourself when it is fully justified to ask the same of you.
So now you're making a joke about triggering? I guess it's always funny when someone you revile is the punchline?
You never returned to arguments you were refuted in. Like how Zoe Quinn actually doxxed and swatted Cernovich, but no, that's fine, we can just ignore that. Just stop acting like you're being persecuted for no good reason. It's because you've spouting shit like it was gospel.[/QUOTE]
I'll be frank as a ballpark hotdog.
Mikey boy was never swatted, he was in fear of it though: [url]https://twitter.com/PlayDangerously/status/525839062255431680[/url]
Wait, I'm being persecuted!? Am I being detained!?!?
[QUOTE=axelord157;47653107]Actually, it wasn't my first thought, I used to support Gamergate myself. I did, what GG always mock, listened and believed. I'm also aware people get caught-up in movements that don't look out for their interests.
Also, It's more or less of some of those shields actually being fake. Don't you find it funny that Gamergate only cared about diversity when its used to deflect criticism of them being a bunch of angry white dudes?
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maybe it didn't look like gamergate cared about diversity before because that isn't what the movement was about? like, what the fuck kind of logic is that, a movement to expose and correct corruption in game journalism shouldn't need to show how diverse it is because it isn't a movement concerning diversity, but racists and sexists deemed it all just a bunch of angry white dudes, and when people try to call them out on it by showing it is indeed a diverse movement, they say those who aren't white dudes are fake. don't you see how fucked up that is?
[editline]3rd May 2015[/editline]
if there's a consumer movement to make apples cost $5, does it matter what the race, sex, and sexuality of the participants are?
[QUOTE=axelord157;47654378]I'll be frank as a ballpark hotdog.
Mikey boy was never swatted, he was in fear of it though: [url]https://twitter.com/PlayDangerously/status/525839062255431680[/url]
Wait, I'm being persecuted!? Am I being detained!?!?[/QUOTE]
He was chased from his home, but it's okay right? No fuck no.
[QUOTE=axelord157;47654378]I'll be frank as a ballpark hotdog.
Mikey boy was never swatted, he was in fear of it though: [url]https://twitter.com/PlayDangerously/status/525839062255431680[/url]
Wait, I'm being persecuted!? Am I being detained!?!?[/QUOTE]
He had his home get fire calls.
[editline]3rd May 2015[/editline]
Like dude, seriously, you're so out of touch its not funny.
[QUOTE=axelord157;47654378]I'll be frank as a ballpark hotdog.
Mikey boy was never swatted, he was in fear of it though: [url]https://twitter.com/PlayDangerously/status/525839062255431680[/url]
Wait, I'm being persecuted!? Am I being detained!?!?[/QUOTE]
iirc his house was swatted, but he also informed police as to where he was staying, and the intention of the swatting if someone tried to call in a fake threat.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47654412]He was chased from his home, but it's okay right? No fuck no.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Swilly;47654417]He had his home get fire calls.
[editline]3rd May 2015[/editline]
Like dude, seriously, you're so out of touch its not funny.[/QUOTE]
Crazy how I said this kinda stuff happened to Zoe but you guys downplayed the hell out it.
[QUOTE=axelord157;47654433]Crazy how I said this kinda stuff happened to Zoe but you guys downplayed the hell out it.[/QUOTE]
I didn't. How can you assume to know I did when I know I've never been okay with it on either side?
Again, you're not even saying it was wrong.
[QUOTE=axelord157;47654433]Crazy how I said this kinda stuff happened to Zoe but you guys downplayed the hell out it.[/QUOTE]
we're not the ones saying every aGGer supports those tactics. what happened to zoe is horrible, and on multiple occasions GGers worked to find those who swatted her
[QUOTE=axelord157;47654246]I'm being called sexist and racist for suggesting NYS has [B]some[/B] fake members. Holy shit, is this what Tim Schafer felt like? I'm honestly surprised I took Gamergate seriously for a while after that event. I guess you could say Gamergate was triggered by Tim.[/QUOTE][emphasis mine]
This implies you're thinking most of them are fake: [QUOTE=axelord157;47652771][...] I guess the [B]astroturfed[/B] #Notyourshield only goes for allies, no?
[...][/QUOTE][emphasis mine]
If you don't think so you probably shouldn't have used that word.
In either case, I'm going to consider you either sexist and racist for saying it's happening enough to be a legitimate argument (which would imply that pretty much all of it is fake) or dishonest by bringing it up despite knowing it's not a legitimate argument due to low incidence. Take your pick.
The issue with Tim Schafer is the same in that he either did the former or latter with his sock puppet jokes, and here's how that's a problem either way: [quote][video=youtube;uFFla8Adh_0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFFla8Adh_0[/video][/quote]
[QUOTE=axelord157;47653107]Don't you find it funny that Gamergate only cared about diversity when its used to deflect criticism of them being a bunch of angry white dudes?[/QUOTE]
'Gamergate is a bunch of white dudes'
'Uh no here are lots of non-white non-dudes'
'Hah isn't it funny you only care about diversity when I make baseless accusations'
What is this bullshit? If #notyourshield is a shield, then it's a shield against asspull slander, and clear proof that anti-GG's 'we're standing up for women and minorities' line is horseshit.
I was neutral on GG until some jackass tried to tell my girlfriend that [i]as a woman[/i] she should be against GG. Telling women what their opinions should be is exactly the sort of marginalization that anti-GG claims to be against, and that kind of hypocrisy pisses me off like nothing else.
[QUOTE=axelord157;47654433]Crazy how I said this kinda stuff happened to Zoe but you guys downplayed the hell out it.[/QUOTE]
I downplayed it because she's a known compulsive liar. Its like the kid crying wolf, eventually you just stop listening.
On a separate note:
[QUOTE=axelord157;47652771][...]
Insert boxes and replies below.[/QUOTE]
The reason you're overall getting so many boxes instead of disagrees is that you're arguing dishonestly.
Even here in SH it's entirely possible to make a bad point well and constructively enough for people to reject it politely.
This really doesn't work if you insult people's intelligence by invoking logical fallacies and cherry-picking specific (parts of) replies though. Not conceding what you provably got wrong is another, smaller, factor.
With a good argument it would be relatively easy to eventually boil differences down to
- provable misinformation that can be corrected so the issue disappears,
- unverifiable information that should be ignored for the sake of argument (which well-done statistics with representative samples [I]don't[/I] fall under) and
- fundamental differences in personal value systems, which are fully detached from current events and may be unresolvable, but usually still lead to greater mutual understanding.
axelord157, i will congratulate you on actually standing and fighting instead of just scurrying of at the first sign of confrontation like the game journalism thread is used to seeing all the damn time
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;47654650]axelord157, i will congratulate you on actually standing and fighting instead of just scurrying of at the first sign of confrontation like the game journalism thread is used to seeing all the damn time[/QUOTE]
Im still waiting for the day Snake7 actually decides to respond to anything anyone says to him.
Or post outside of the thread.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;47654661]Im still waiting for the day Snake7 actually decides to respond to anything anyone says to him.
Or post outside of the thread.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure Snake7 is perma'd.
[editline]3rd May 2015[/editline]
And that's a pageking.
And I was wrong.
What a fucking shitfest this topic is.
If you want to discuss gamergate, [url=facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1454983]go to the specific topic for it. [/url]
[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;47653600]I know this is an old post, but people call themselves SJW. As in, for social justice, etc. [t]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDvegwhUEAAErRB.png:large[/t]
So people who DO INDEED EXIST can identify themselves/others as "SJW" but the moment someone [i]calls them[/i] an SJW in a negative manner, they "don't exist?"
Sure thing buddy.[/QUOTE]
Dont even bother trying to talk with him. The guy never ever bothers to do any critical thinking and constantly all his "social progressive" or GG posts are nothing but pure garbage bombed by dumbs and he never ever refutes his horrible points or examples.
Looks like the FBI declared the threat creditable.
I hope that means they are going to arrest those who made the threat soon.
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