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[QUOTE=Uzbekistan;47645878]Quick question, assuming that she did indeed sleep around to garner favour for her game, why is she still relevant?[/QUOTE] None. She just gets brought up by AGGer's at every opportunity to show how bad we are for targeting a woman Even though that woman is an outed abuser and manipulator that we haven't talked about or dealt with in months.
[QUOTE=Uzbekistan;47645878]Quick question, assuming that she did indeed sleep around to garner favour for her game, why is she still relevant?[/QUOTE] Because people are continuing to say "GG is misogynist because it started with an attempt to ruin Zoe Quinn's life"
I lost all interest for the movement when people started moving away from corruption in journalism to a safe haven of right wing loving tards It had a purpose, but my ideology and GG's ideology conflicted so many fucking times it wasn't funny, and Milo being worshipped as a god so as KoP. Nty [editline]3rd May 2015[/editline] If I wanted to splurge all over scandals and drama with other people, I'd watch E!
i don't give a rat's ass about milo and i'm pretty sure kop raged/got laughed out, you don't need to pay any attention to them to still support it.
[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;47645828]I know no one is saying that, I am. I'm going through a really horrible time in my life, and my frustrations are just come through in this thread for some reason. Sorry for derailing things.[/QUOTE] Your reaction is a prime example of GG's largest difficulty. You linked to Boston News, a website not necessarily run by people who are AGG, but likely got their story strictly from AGG sources. A common theme among the more prominent AGG crowd is "controlling the narrative", and that is quite easy when you run gaming media. Every article I've seen from bigger media outlets has had a massive AGG slant, all because gaming media either used their connections well or the journalists writing for larger outlets are lazy as fuck and didn't research properly. You're right that most of journalism is corrupt as fuck but saying we should focus on all of it is a fallacy of logical privation, at least for now. IMO, fixing all of journalism is nigh impossible, as there will always be people willing to cheat the system to maximize financial gain. Some are just a lot smarter about it, and don't back themselves into a corner over petty ideological debates such as what GG has devolved into. There's likely a lot of dirty stuff in journalism, we just won't ever see it.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;47645901]I lost all interest for the movement when people started moving away from corruption in journalism to [I]a safe haven of right wing loving tards It had a purpose, but my ideology and GG's ideology conflicted so many fucking times it wasn't funny, and Milo being worshipped as a god so as KoP. Nty[/I][/QUOTE] Ironically, there's plenty of people striving to move away from that. I'm personally incredibly leftist, but I don't buy into the bullshit the U.S. crazy-left side spews like militant third wave feminism.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;47645901]I lost all interest for the movement when people started moving away from corruption in journalism to a safe haven of right wing loving tards It had a purpose, but my ideology and GG's ideology conflicted so many fucking times it wasn't funny, and Milo being worshipped as a god so as KoP. Nty[/QUOTE] No one worships Milo, or KoP though. KoP has literally been told to get the fuck out more times than I can count. Milo has a tepid relationship with us. He's obviously using us, but he's also a half decent journalist for the most part so do we push him away or finally get someone who will listen to us? Almost everyone in the movement I've ever talked to is incredibly liberal. I'm a feminist and I don't see that many people who really stand out as terrible people.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47645920]No one worships Milo, or KoP though. KoP has literally been told to get the fuck out more times than I can count. Milo has a tepid relationship with us. He's obviously using us, but he's also a half decent journalist for the most part so do we push him away or finally get someone who will listen to us? Almost everyone in the movement I've ever talked to is incredibly liberal. I'm a feminist and I don't see that many people who really stand out as terrible people.[/QUOTE] half-decent with GG, maybe
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47645920]No one worships Milo, or KoP though. KoP has literally been told to get the fuck out more times than I can count. Milo has a tepid relationship with us. He's obviously using us, but he's also a half decent journalist for the most part so do we push him away or finally get someone who will listen to us? Almost everyone in the movement I've ever talked to is incredibly liberal. I'm a feminist and I don't see that many people who really stand out as terrible people.[/QUOTE] I think this is one my main gripes honestly, it's touted as leaderless movement and it's easy to distance from undesirables, but it's pretty clear that larger communities, like say, KIA, do worship Milo, I mean hell he was at the meetup
[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;47645620]I'm more wondering why people are focusing on gaming "journalism" and not how shitty all journalism is at this point. Focusing on one TINY aspect of journalism as a whole won't fix it.[/QUOTE] because this tiny aspect is making it very apparent along with paper trails of evidence. The point was never to fix all of journalism anyways, no 1 group can do that. Im wondering why after nearly a year people are still confused by this at all.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47645920]No one worships Milo, or KoP though. KoP has literally been told to get the fuck out more times than I can count. Milo has a tepid relationship with us. He's obviously using us, but he's also a half decent journalist for the most part so do we push him away or finally get someone who will listen to us? Almost everyone in the movement I've ever talked to is incredibly liberal. I'm a feminist and I don't see that many people who really stand out as terrible people.[/QUOTE] When I was in the height of all this, all I remember is everyone calling those two "based" and forgetting Milo's past. If anyone tried bringing up how much of a right wing believer he is, you'd be shunned. I don't know, it seemed so right wing to me. Like I support modern feminism a lot, I think there's a clear issue there but GG is so made up of people who don't support modern feminism and tryhard MRA's. I just think the issue is now dumb? Like, what's to fight. GG complained about how bias the media attention was, and always forgot that the reason the media didn't pay attention to the "pro" side was the lack of anyone to talk to. If you're doing your research as a newbie working for the ABC or CBC. You can instantly find people who hate GG but trying to find people for it, is difficult
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;47645924]half-decent with GG, maybe[/QUOTE] His political or social views are no one's business but his own and as much as I may disagree with his views, and as strongly as I may disagree with his views, his research and journalism quality isn't bottom of the barrel. It's certainly higher than many journalists today who are little more than glorified bloggers.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;47645901]I lost all interest for the movement when people started moving away from corruption in journalism to a safe haven of right wing loving tards It had a purpose, but my ideology and GG's ideology conflicted so many fucking times it wasn't funny, and Milo being worshipped as a god so as KoP. Nty [editline]3rd May 2015[/editline] If I wanted to splurge all over scandals and drama with other people, I'd watch E![/QUOTE] yes, gamergate is definitely right wing ...aside from all of the ISideWith polls geared lower-left wing. [QUOTE]right wing loving tards[/QUOTE] "THIS PERSON DOESNT AGREE WITH ME SO HE MUST BE RETARD!!!" if you're going to try to ban an entire 50% of the country from a [B]consumer revolt[/B] over their political preference, we really don't want you supporting us in the first place. being discriminatory towards others is ridiculous, inside or outside of gaming. kthxbai
Fuck me I wish I knew about this I missed my opportunity to get drunk and talk shit about kotaku.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;47645937]When I was in the height of all this, all I remember is everyone calling those two "based" and forgetting Milo's past. If anyone tried bringing up how much of a right wing believer he is, you'd be shunned. I don't know, it seemed so right wing to me. Like I support modern feminism a lot, I think there's a clear issue there but GG is so made up of people who don't support modern feminism and tryhard MRA's. I just think the issue is now dumb? Like, what's to fight. GG complained about how bias the media attention was, and always forgot that the reason the media didn't pay attention to the "pro" side was the lack of anyone to talk to. If you're doing your research as a newbie working for the ABC or CBC. You can instantly find people who hate GG but trying to find people for it, is difficult[/QUOTE] What the fuck is this right wing bullshit and GG being so made up of people who dont support feminism and are tryhard MRAs? Where are you even getting your info.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47645920]No one worships Milo, or KoP though. KoP has literally been told to get the fuck out more times than I can count. Milo has a tepid relationship with us. He's obviously using us, but he's also a half decent journalist for the most part so do we push him away or finally get someone who will listen to us? Almost everyone in the movement I've ever talked to is incredibly liberal. I'm a feminist and I don't see that many people who really stand out as terrible people.[/QUOTE] Milo is a half decent journalist in his investigative abilities only. I'd question his integrity considering he writes for Breitbart.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;47645788]someone get reimu in here[/QUOTE] I haven't seen Reimu around for quite a few months
[quote]When I was in the height of all this, all I remember is everyone calling those two "based" and forgetting Milo's past. If anyone tried bringing up how much of a right wing believer he is, you'd be shunned.[/quote] Really? Because all of the times I've done so and seen other people done so in the "ethics in game journalism" thread they've been showered in agrees.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;47645937]When I was in the height of all this, all I remember is everyone calling those two "based" and forgetting Milo's past. If anyone tried bringing up how much of a right wing believer he is, you'd be shunned.[/QUOTE] KoP got kicked out pretty hard pretty fast. I don't remember people calling him based, I remember him going nuts and everyone saying "WHAT THE FUCK GET OUT". Milo's past is certainly to be remembered and taken into account. I don't trust that guy, but we don't have anyone else so we can just use him. [QUOTE]I don't know, it seemed so right wing to me. Like I support modern feminism a lot, I think there's a clear issue there but GG is so made up of people who don't support modern feminism and tryhard MRA's.[/QUOTE] It's never seemed like that to me. I rarely see actual MRA's of any sort in these discussions, maybe I just don't see the same people as you do, but the movement hardly seems to be about MRA's. Hell, the thread here is just about as far away from MRA territory as you can get. [QUOTE]I just think the issue is now dumb? Like, what's to fight. [/QUOTE] There's plenty to fight. The issue has always been dumb. [QUOTE]GG complained about how bias the media attention was, and always forgot that the reason the media didn't pay attention to the "pro" side was the lack of anyone to talk to. If you're doing your research as a newbie working for the ABC or CBC. You can instantly find people who hate GG but trying to find people for it, is difficult[/QUOTE] The media have ties to AGG organizations, there are no GG organizations. SO yes, that is an uphill fight. But oh well, it's one I feel we have to fight.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;47645954]What the fuck is this right wing bullshit and GG being so made up of people who dont support feminism and are tryhard MRAs? Where are you even getting your info.[/QUOTE] Observation, I used to be pretty big on this once.
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;47645956]Milo is a half decent journalist in his investigative abilities only. I'd question his integrity considering he writes for Breitbart.[/QUOTE] That is an entirely fair way to look at the situation.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47645963] The media have ties to AGG organizations, there are no GG organizations. SO yes, that is an uphill fight. But oh well, it's one I feel we have to fight.[/QUOTE] I doubt the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, an [b]Australian crowned owned broadcaster[/B], which did a story into GG on their 7.30 report has ties or deals with people who are against GG since their constitution set out by the commonwealth government says to give a fair, balanced view. When I submitted my report form for biased coverage again during the peak and when I got my response, only till then did I realise how confused they were in finding people for it.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;47645937]When I was in the height of all this, all I remember is everyone calling those two "based" and forgetting Milo's past. If anyone tried bringing up how much of a right wing believer he is, you'd be shunned. I don't know, it seemed so right wing to me. Like I support modern feminism a lot, I think there's a clear issue there but GG is so made up of people who don't support modern feminism and tryhard MRA's. I just think the issue is now dumb? Like, what's to fight. GG complained about how bias the media attention was, and always forgot that the reason the media didn't pay attention to the "pro" side was the lack of anyone to talk to. If you're doing your research as a newbie working for the ABC or CBC. You can instantly find people who hate GG but trying to find people for it, is difficult[/QUOTE] "its difficult" should not be an excusable reason for misleading, biased, and straight-up false reporting, i don't think being passive about people doing their job of informing others in such a half-assed way as to leave out literally half of the story is a good thing.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;47645970]Observation, I used to be pretty big on this once.[/QUOTE] [I]"once"[/I]
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;47645985]I doubt the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, an [b]Australian crowned owned broadcaster[/B], which did a story into GG on their 7.30 report has ties or deals with people who are against GG since their constitution set out by the commonwealth government says to give a fair, balanced view. When I submitted my report form for biased coverage again during the peak and when I got my response, only till then did I realise how confused they were in finding people for it.[/QUOTE] The CBC ran a hit piece of GG. The CANADIAN BROADCASTING COMPANY. So yes, I thoroughly believe they have ties to each other. It's not that hard to network and have serious friends in bigger companies. It's actually how the business is run, through networking.
[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;47645677]Because if you do end up fixing gaming journalism (if that is even possible), Journalism as a whole wont even notice. You need to set your sights higher, not easier.[/QUOTE] Didn't a few GGers recently help to call out bullshit journalism in Baltimore, where they caught the editors lying red-handed about the riots to sell papers? I don't presume to speak for everyone involved in GG, but I know that a lot of people have concerned themselves with journalism in other fields and have achieved measurable results.
Ugh, we're still fucking talking about Gamergate? Even after months upon months of plain as day evidence that is 90% an opportunity for people to be completely juvenile shitheads towards each other and engage in the internet's biggest flame war, driven on mainly because of the perception that the other side is all misogynists or feminazis? It is not a debate, it is a spitting argument. Believe what you want to believe and vocalise it, but if you actually want to actively engage in this tripe, well, I have no words for your stupidity. Yeah, I should probably point out a few laughably arrogant people are going to claim big changes to journalistic integrity were made. Pfft. Dream on.
Look anytime I try to argue against GG, a lot of you come out swinging punches. I'm chill as fuck, like I don't care so take my mentality and just see what I'm seeing Again, I used to be big on this. I'd frequent that thread in GD, make countless twitter posts, even showed up on KoP's hitbox stream once and got this skype message from Milo [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByMJgGHCMAAHckR.jpg:large[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Dr.Critic;47645998]Ugh, we're still fucking talking about Gamergate? Even after months upon months of plain as day evidence that is 90% an opportunity for people to be completely juvenile shitheads towards each other and engage in the internet's biggest flame war because of the perception that the other side is all misogynists or feminazis? It is not a debate, it is a spitting argument. Believe what you want to believe and vocalise it, but if you actually want to actively engage in this tripe, well, I have no words for your stupidity. Yeah, I should probably point out a few laughably arrogant people are going to claim big changes to journalistic integrity were made. Pfft. Dream on.[/QUOTE] Ugh we still have people who care about things I don't care about? How fucking dare you people care about things I think are stupid, why aren't you all listening to me?! Seriously though, for at least the time being, almost all of GG's targets have significantly changed their ethics and disclosure policies, LIKE WE WANTED. Oh wait, is it meaningless and non existant because you said so? That seems to be the point you're making here. [editline]2nd May 2015[/editline] Laughably arrogant, a wonderful self applicable term for you
[QUOTE=Hat-Wearing Man;47645960]I haven't seen Reimu around for quite a few months[/QUOTE] Reimu detached themselves from GG because they didn't really want to be a part of it iirc; their main focus was exposing and analyzing Zoe's history of abusive behaviour.
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