• Keurig to put DRM on coffee making machines
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[QUOTE=latin_geek;44117597]There's a point where the average person stops thinking something is "more convenient" and it's just lazy. Diminishing returns and stuff. Not having to grind your beans is convenient, getting a $300 machine and $0.50/cup k-cups to shave 5 min off your morning routine just seems lazy to me.[/QUOTE] what, so now people are lazy for not wanting to wait for their water to brew or make a whole jug. people rarely buy the 50 cent cups if you would actually read the article, and the machines are more like 90-130$, not $300. you guys are flipping out on a type of machine that is extremely convenient for most people, especially the working class that want to just make a cup on the go. [editline]3rd March 2014[/editline] you can say you can just put in a spoonfull or whatever to make one cup, but then youre wasting a filter (which K-cup machines dont have to use).
Will this mean we don't buy coffee, we just buy the license to drink it?
[QUOTE=The freeman;44115119]But making a cup of hot coffee/tea/cocoa in under 60 seconds without cleaning anything but your mug is soooooo nice though.[/QUOTE] Thats true and its why its nice for offices and the like where everyone has different taste preferences. But really - a french press is super easy to clean. You pretty much just rinse it out. Takes 4-5 minutes to brew but otherwise its not really any extra effort. And 5 minutes is hardly a huge wait time. Faster-brewing coffee machines involve more cleaning but if you just want quick coffee you just need to rinse the filter and rinse out the carafe. I just don't see saving 3-4 minutes and not needing to do super-low-maintence cleaning/rinsing as worth it for only being able to have one cup at a time, dropping $100+ on the machine and spending about 4X more for coffee (which is already pricey if you don't want cheap stuff). It's like... a minor convience boost for a massive price, restrictions, and for (arguably) worse coffee. Keurigs are basically just like Bose - sure they are nice and they work good, but you pay a massive premium for a proprietary system that really isn't better than the cheaper premium alternatives. It's just that they make it look super high tech, market it an assload, and charge an arm and a leg to trick people who only get Folgers with their drip maker into thinking its super premium coffee. When in reality its inferior to other much cheaper methods (french press for example). Still better than just doing a basic drip with folgers though. For reference, getting about a pounds worth of coffee for a Keurig-like machine costs about ~$50/lb. Getting a pound's worth of nice whole bean arabican coffee at the grocery store varies between $5.99-$9.99/lb depending on brand/sale/etc. Often you can buy bigger two pound bags of arabican (either store brand or from brands like Eight'O-Clock) for only $10.99-$12.99. And that's assuming you want nice coffee. If you aren't too picky and just want to save money, a decent quality pre-ground coffee brand often sells 2lbs of pre-ground coffee for $6-$8. The Keurig might be better at this point if your coffee maker isn't good as well.
They sell snapple and Lemonade k-cups. I find it really easy to just make Snapple at home, than having to go to the store and either buy a case, or buy a single can. I like my keurig, it was pretty cheap and i got it as a christmas gift. It makes hot cocoa, tea, and coffee just fine.
[QUOTE=KorJax;44118630]-long post snip-[/QUOTE] I agree with you if you are talking about someone which only uses theirs for coffee, I personally do not drink coffee without a notable amount of cream and sugar, which defeats the point. I do use the one my family has for teas and for prepping hot water for hot cocoa and such. Which as I noted the teas are only slightly more than the bag price where I am and if I wanted a tea that was not in a k-cup, I can always just use the bag and brew it normally. One other thing is the reusable cups are pretty much everywhere heck they even make their own; [url]http://www.keurig.com/accessories/my-k-cup[/url] Yeah it is more expensive than a french press, but it still streamlines the coffee process if you use it purely for that and you can use the same cofee.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;44117766]what, so now people are lazy for not wanting to wait for their water to brew or make a whole jug. people rarely buy the 50 cent cups if you would actually read the article, and the machines are more like 90-130$, not $300. you guys are flipping out on a type of machine that is extremely convenient for most people, especially the working class that want to just make a cup on the go. [editline]3rd March 2014[/editline] you can say you can just put in a spoonfull or whatever to make one cup, but then youre wasting a filter (which K-cup machines dont have to use).[/QUOTE] I dunno what the fuck kind of coffee you're making here, but if you're mad desperate for coffee in the morning, don't want to waste tons by making a whole jug of the stuff or whatever, why not just save a shit ton of money and buy coffee that doesn't need filtering? Pretty much all the coffee sitting around my house is just slap it in the cup, pour water in, mix. Sure it's not going to be the best thing ever, but it's 7AM, you've just woken up, like fuck you care that much. These machines really aren't anything more than overpriced convenience. For the amount you pay for them and refills you'd better hope they pour nothing but liquid gold when you press the button.
I was mentioning this to my mom since she has a nice Keurig, and our conversation devolved into the "End Times" with the mark of the beast on cups, putting chips into children and animals, then how obama has ruined america in the last few years and when I asked how she just said, "where did I go wrong in raising you." I am absolutely 100% serious. There is no hyperbole in that. We talked for maybe 10 minutes and it changed that fast.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44119139]I dunno what the fuck kind of coffee you're making here, but if you're mad desperate for coffee in the morning, don't want to waste tons by making a whole jug of the stuff or whatever, why not just save a shit ton of money and buy coffee that doesn't need filtering? Pretty much all the coffee sitting around my house is just slap it in the cup, pour water in, mix. Sure it's not going to be the best thing ever, but it's 7AM, you've just woken up, like fuck you care that much. These machines really aren't anything more than overpriced convenience. For the amount you pay for them and refills you'd better hope they pour nothing but liquid gold when you press the button.[/QUOTE] [B][U][I]youre not paying that much if you just get the reusable cup that is 5-10 bucks.[/I][/U][/B] can literally none of you read the damn article. [editline]3rd March 2014[/editline] here: get this for $10 [t]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61908sNwy6L._SL1500_.jpg[/t] and you can use whatever the fuck coffee you want without ever having to buy filters again. Thats why keurig themselves are mad because the disposable ones are not selling while this filter is.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;44119178][B][U][I]youre not paying that much if you just get the reusable cup that is 5-10 bucks.[/I][/U][/B] can literally none of you read the damn article.[/QUOTE] idk, a machine that's a couple hundred dollars, which is bound to break at some point just after the warranty expires, because fuck using your kitchen appliances. Versus a cheap $5-10 jar of coffee that will last a month or two and uses my kettle (which I can't say I've ever seen anyone break a kettle). The latter seems a lot more reasonable really.
[QUOTE=Giacomand;44118274]Will this mean we don't buy coffee, we just buy the license to drink it?[/QUOTE] Yeah you have to pee back into the machine when you're done with the coffee this actually explains the taste of keurig coffee
Got this thing as a Christmas present and it's become the most used kitchen appliance in my family by a long shot. Idk who the fuck would actually pay for those pre-made coffee canisters though? We just use the refill ones for making tea, coffee, hot cocoa, ramen, etc. It's more or less one of the fastest methods of making near-boiling water from my experience.
[QUOTE=The golden;44116309]My dad just uses one of these: [t]https://secure.teeccino.com/images/uploads/products2/90031.jpg[/t] To hell with these stupid machines. Such a waste of money and materials.[/QUOTE] Nice tophat.
Holy crap people let people brew coffee how they want to brew coffee. I love a french press or a nice drip device or machine but my Keurig has been a handy investment. It only cost me $90 for the personal size machine and it has done me well for the past 2-1/2 to 3 years and it works just like the day I got it. Always consistent and convenient. It sits next to me at my desk all day, it's like a good friend.
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[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;44115070][I]*coffee coffee coffee coffee*[/I] Heh, this is kinda funn- [I]*dead son*[/I] ehhh...[/QUOTE] thanks for explaining the joke i didnt get it when i saw the image so that was really helpful.
How do you guys like your coffee? I prefer mine black as midnight on a moonless night. To contrast it, I also like it Vietnamese style with condensed milk.
YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A COFFEE MAKER NOW WOULD YOU!!!! PDRM, FUCK YA! [editline]4th March 2014[/editline] paid for by americans for Physical Digital Rights Management
Just buy the packs from Costco or whatever in bulk and they're not nearly as expensive. Keurigs are okay, they make decent coffee but good coffee requires a grinder and either a decent coffee pot or a french press. but fuck, if it's 6 am and I have to run to work, do you think I want to do that every morning? No, it's really nice to pop in a cup of water, a coffee pack, and have a hot nice cup in a minute or two flat. it's really, really nice for that.
there is litterally no way they could make a machine that only accepts their specific brand coffee, if they do it by RFID all you need to do is stick a lable from a legit blend into the machine with your "third party coffee", if they do it by barcode or something like that its the same thing, cup shape hasn't worked either unless they can somehow patent a specific shape for their canisters but thats very hard to stick. i mean they could make it so every cup has a randomly generated tag on it and make things rediculously complicated, but someone will just crack it and put a code generator online or something.... there is just no possible way to impliment "drm" into physical products
[QUOTE=Tetsmega;44121509]How do you guys like your coffee? I prefer mine black as midnight on a moonless night. To contrast it, I also like it Vietnamese style with condensed milk.[/QUOTE] Black, with lots of cream and sugar.
[QUOTE=Tetsmega;44121509]How do you guys like your coffee? I prefer mine black as midnight on a moonless night. To contrast it, I also like it Vietnamese style with condensed milk.[/QUOTE] I drink my coffee black in the morning for the extra instant pick me up and later in the day I mix with a little milk and sugar or coffeemate french vanilla liquid creamer. My grandma had me hooked on condensed milk since I was a kid but about 4 years ago I tried some liquid creamers and never went back. But nothing will beat that black cup of coffee, especially my Jamaican Blue Mountain coffee (that I brew in my keurig) :v:
I'm a philistine who drinks coffee mostly to wake up in the morning, so I really don't care how my coffee is made so long as it has caffeine in it. That said, I do enjoy the taste of some nice French Vanilla. The only type of coffee I really despise is Decaf. Seriously, what kind of satanist would invent something like that?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44121535]Just buy the packs from Costco or whatever in bulk and they're not nearly as expensive. Keurigs are okay, they make decent coffee but good coffee requires a grinder and either a decent coffee pot or a french press. but fuck, if it's 6 am and I have to run to work, do you think I want to do that every morning? No, it's really nice to pop in a cup of water, a coffee pack, and have a hot nice cup in a minute or two flat. it's really, really nice for that.[/QUOTE] That's what I do most of the time as you can see from my current supply. [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/modderman2/8579fd29-e031-4f09-b3f8-3d8f6d731008.jpg[/img] 54 cups for $30 of good coffee and I can go for the Kirkland brand and get 54 k cups for about $18
[QUOTE=Sableye;44121543]there is litterally no way they could make a machine that only accepts their specific brand coffee, if they do it by RFID all you need to do is stick a lable from a legit blend into the machine with your "third party coffee", if they do it by barcode or something like that its the same thing, cup shape hasn't worked either unless they can somehow patent a specific shape for their canisters but thats very hard to stick. i mean they could make it so every cup has a randomly generated tag on it and make things rediculously complicated, but someone will just crack it and put a code generator online or something.... there is just no possible way to impliment "drm" into physical products[/QUOTE] Taking from equally asshole 3D printer makers and their slimy schemes to keep customers buying their filament, the RFID tag is rewritable by the coffee maker. Once a cup is brewed the RFID tag has an identification bit changed and now the tag permanently registers as "USED" so it can't be used to trick it into brewing unauthorized cups. Of course, once someone reverse engineers the security key between the coffee maker and the tag, anyone with an RFID reader/writer and reprogram or reset the tags. Coffee Piracy.
I'm still learning coffee, and can't make up my mind any of it so far, all I know is I like White Chocolate Mochas from Starbucks.
[QUOTE=plokoon9619;44121689]I'm still learning coffee, and can't make up my mind any of it so far, all I know is I like White Chocolate Mochas from Starbucks.[/QUOTE] Starbucks is overpriced. You can literally make equally good coffee for a tenth of the price.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;44121732]Starbucks is overpriced. You can literally make equally good coffee for a tenth of the price.[/QUOTE] Yeah it sucks, I could easily make my Caramel Macchiato at home but I never have the time. Plus my espresso machine sucks, I can't pass up Starbucks when I am out of the house and tired.
[QUOTE=The golden;44121954]Starbucks coffee is also so dark that it's like drinking tar. Feels about as good in the stomach as tar too.[/QUOTE] Starbucks is $5 a cup brewed, burned shit. The best coffee is cold-brew, make some later at night, then strain off used grinds, take super concentrated coffee and mix according to taste with hot water. It even makes nasty coffee taste good. Plus it doesn't have that stomach churning that hot brew gives.
[QUOTE=The golden;44121954]Starbucks coffee is also so dark that it's like drinking tar. Feels about as good in the stomach as tar too.[/QUOTE] I remember trying their black coffee once and spat it out, threw it away, and went home to brew my own. Shit's so bad even instant coffee is better.
Fucking McDonalds coffee is better than Starbucks and this is coming from a guy who likes a strong, dark coffee. Starbucks sucks hard and is extremely overpriced. Here in Canada we also have to deal with Tim Hortons, where their "coffee" is to real coffee like soft-serve is to genuine ice cream: it doesn't taste like balls but it's a far cry from the flavour and texture of the real deal (while costing almost as much or even more than the higher quality product) I buy whole arabica beans from a nearby Lebanese shop (which also sells fresh pita bread and baklawa, fuck yeah) and grind it at home right before brewing with a french press. It's extremely easy to do and surprisingly easy to clean everything. Cost me about $40 for the grinder and the press, and a bag of beans lasts quite a long time despite how strong I like it. I do actually have a single-cup Keurig brewer btw. I mostly use it to make coffee for visitors but I occasionally drink it too. It's not that bad, but it costs a lot. Even at Costco it works out to around $0.50 a cup (keep in mind this is Canadian prices, you Yanks should pay less). I estimate that buying whole beans I'm spending less than 10 cents on a cup of coffee. It's a big difference.
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