Science Suggests Smoking Pot Raises Risk of Testicular Cancer, Schizophenia and Infertility - and Lo
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[QUOTE=dass;37729204]I don't think people drink solely to get drunk... Or at least most of the people I know who do that seem to be going nowhere other than AA...
That's why you don't buy a game that you are only gonna play for a day.
People waste money on coffee because it wakes them up, and soda is, well, fresh and good.
Still, pretty bad comparisons. A soda doesn't costs as much as whatever measure of weed you buy.
Furthermore, as we all know, weed isn't exactly 100% clear of not giving you something bad.[/QUOTE]
marijuana bad
soda fresh and good
which one causes more deaths per regular user
go
[QUOTE=dass;37728114]Hey
heres an idea
instead of wasting money on pot
wait, hear me out
instead of wasting money on pot
what if you... I don't know...
save it for something thats actually useful?[/QUOTE] I'm acknowledging that my words below are me mostly venting messily.
You speak like a true straight edge. Why do a lot of straight edges have this pissy "I'm better than you" attitude? Stop being scared, because that's what it is for a lot of straight edges. They get scared and nervous around people smoking or drinking. Why do you seem to never do any research yourselves? You're also acting like marijuana has no medicinal benefits. Apply yourself and research, damnit. The stress it relieves alone makes it wonderful, and if you think it decimates minds, you've either not smoked it more than once or you only hang out with 13 year old edgy shits that shouldn't be smoking weed until they're older. And justify the "JUST TAKE XANAX OR SOME OTHER PILL YOU DONT NEED WEED GAWWW" attitude. I love how some of you have never met hard workers that smoke multiple times a week. The problem is you and the losers that you are around if they can't be functional.
And also, about the mexican shit (and correct me if I'm wrong), SHIT weed comes from Mexico. The hard shit full of seeds and stems with. No one I know tolerates that junk unless there's no good weed around, and I live not too far from Mexico. People buy dank weed that's grown in-country. Instead of telling people "hurr don't buy weed you assholes" hows about you put that angst towards your elected officials? There's nothing wrong enjoying cannabis, and if you're arrogant enough to say it's a waste of money, you're lost in your own little fearful world. If you want to be consistent, everything but making money at a shit factory job is a waste of time. Films? Waste. Games? Waste. Comedy shows? Waste. And heaven forbid someone that gets high and does a hobby they enjoy like martial arts, reading, or gaming.
tldr I don't give a shit if you smoke weed or not, and I deserve the same level of mutual respect.
You guys know the sample size is 52 smokers right? FIFTY-TWO people.
[QUOTE=Jawalt;37732135]You guys know the sample size is 52 smokers right? FIFTY-TWO people.[/QUOTE]
"No, but these guys are professionals and this is their job. What do [I]you[/I] know about anything? Lets see some credentials before you start talking shit, they clearly are more right than you are"
Just getting the typical bullshit response out of the way now. It's actually 52 who are dependent on marijuana, but that's besides the point. A pretty small sample size, from a notorious party city in New Zealand, surely is a little sketchy to try to apply worldwide without further testing. And yet this'll still be the headlines for months and be used as ammunition against legalization, without any actual repetition of this study or even noticing the numerous reports completely contradicting this. So because this was performed recently suddenly makes it more correct?
"lol you dont know statistics, shut up.. the sample size is great go read a text book before you open your mouth"
[QUOTE=dass;37728114]Hey
heres an idea
instead of wasting money on pot
wait, hear me out
instead of wasting money on pot
what if you... I don't know...
save it for something thats actually useful?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=dass;37728558]No, I meant instead of people wasting money on weed and fucking up their health because lol get high 420, how about saving or spending on something thats actually useful and isn't basically (and literaly) burning money to get high for a day?[/QUOTE]
Why do you care so much? You spend almost 60 hours on Steam every two weeks. That is more than 24 hours of gameplay [I]per week[/I]. Here's my suggestion to you, get your fatass off your computer chair and do something useful, go outside, get a job and contribute to society, get laid, go to school or something other than burning your cash to satisfy your video game addiction whilst wasting your life away by spending an entire day per week behind your monitor playing Dota 2 [I]alone[/I]. I'd rather socially smoke weed with friends and socialize as opposed to shriveling up behind my monitor and living the rest of my life alone and miserable.
Oh but what I said was unfair because [I]you do useful things[/I] on your spare time right? So what makes you think people who do marijuana do not at all? Is it just absolutely impossible to smoke marijuana and not allocate time and cash for other things? After all, I'm pretty sure you spend more time playing Dota 2 than the amount of time the average marijuana-user devotes to smoking.
I mean goddamn, I don't smoke and I do think it has adverse effects, but you're in no position to talk when it comes to managing your time and doing something useful. I wouldn't have responded or cared at all if you said why marijuana is bad, but your shitty and arrogant "I'm a better human being than you" attitude when you aren't at all, just reeks of projection and insecurities.
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look at these stupid hippies and their pothead hippy drum circle protests, who could possibly take them seriously
[QUOTE=dass;37729204]I don't think people drink solely to get drunk... Or at least most of the people I know who do that seem to be going nowhere other than AA...
That's why you don't buy a game that you are only gonna play for a day.
People waste money on coffee because it wakes them up, and soda is, well, fresh and good.
Still, pretty bad comparisons. A soda doesn't costs as much as whatever measure of weed you buy.
Furthermore, as we all know, weed isn't exactly 100% clear of not giving you something bad.[/QUOTE]
Do you have no understanding of what vices are?
People do stuff like weed, drinking, smoking, gambleing, etc. because they find it fun.
[QUOTE=Zero Ziat;37727107]"new study suggests doing vices in excess and/or while you aren't of age will most likely end up very bad for you! more at eleven."
seriously, this isn't anything groundbreaking in terms of how any sort of drug works, just take care of yourself and don't over do it. sure, it won't change that there are chances you get something, but it will
lessen them in great proportion.[/QUOTE]
Most people don't consider this a ground breaking study, especially because this one is merely replicating work done before. The real issue being discussed is that many users believe weed to be a harmless miracle drug even though that is not the case. They will even ignore independently funded and scientifically sound research just because it doesn't fit what they believe. Any study that comes out as anti-weed is a government conspiracy apparently.
I want to see this legalized, but I also want to see people forced to learn about it. So many people have no fucking idea what weed can/can't do. You realize some people think it's impossible to be allergic to weed?
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;37732703]Most people don't consider this a ground breaking study, especially because this one is merely replicating work done before. The real issue being discussed is that many users believe weed to be a harmless miracle drug even though that is not the case. They will even ignore independently funded and scientifically sound research just because it doesn't fit what they believe. Any study that comes out as anti-weed is a government conspiracy apparently.
I want to see this legalized, but I also want to see people forced to learn about it. So many people have no fucking idea what weed can/can't do. You realize some people think it's impossible to be allergic to weed?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it's not like teenagers all around the country have health classes that discuss stuff EXACTLY like what you just said, or anything.
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;37732703]Most people don't consider this a ground breaking study, especially because this one is merely replicating work done before. The real issue being discussed is that many users believe weed to be a harmless miracle drug even though that is not the case. They will even ignore independently funded and scientifically sound research just because it doesn't fit what they believe. Any study that comes out as anti-weed is a government conspiracy apparently.
I want to see this legalized, but I also want to see people forced to learn about it. So many people have no fucking idea what weed can/can't do. You realize some people think it's impossible to be allergic to weed?[/QUOTE]
The fault primarily lies in the government. When they use scare tactics and deliberately misleading claims to dissuade people from using substances such as marijuana, it destroys any credibility drug education had and thus it leads people to believe it is actually completely harmless.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;37732752]The fault primarily lies in the government. When they use scare tactics and deliberately misleading claims to dissuade people from using substances such as marijuana, it destroys any credibility drug education had and thus it leads people to believe it is actually completely harmless.[/QUOTE]
Yea its annoying as fuck. People who think it is completely harmless are just as silly as the people who think its the equivalent of inhaling satan
For the record, does ANYONE actually think smoking weed is harmless or is that just some straw man argument someone in the thread made up? Not even the dumbest of the dumb fucking stoned morons I've ever known ever thought anything like that. That's why people vaporize and make pot brownies.
Seriously, go onto a stoner culture forum or something, some of these people have quite a lot of objective and scientific based knowledge about marijuana, way more than I would have expected at first considering it's illegal.
Vaporizing and pot brownies still cause the issues talked about in the article.
Yeah all it does is just eliminate respiratory issues.
The ignorance in this thread is [i]astounding[/i].
[QUOTE=Atersk;37732846]The ignorance in this thread is [i]astounding[/i].[/QUOTE]
Can you please explain what exactly you disagreed with in my post
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;37732833]Vaporizing and pot brownies still cause the issues talked about in the article.[/QUOTE]
The 'psychological' issues that are basically impossible to determine if they're actually caused by the marijuana itself or an issue preexisting in the people chosen for the study? Considering a vast majority, pretty much 100% of the people I know who smoke weed are perfectly sane and fine, I'm pretty sure without any actual concrete evidence it's safe to say these effects are either negligible or non-existent.
It's well known marijuana causes temporary increased paranoia and other side effects, but these go away after people get used to the high, and are more due to the marijuana changing the way your brain works, it doesn't mean it's damaging. Effects will vary from person to person depending on their personality and state of mind.
[QUOTE=Ybbats;37732982]The 'psychological' issues that are basically impossible to determine if they're actually caused by the marijuana itself or an issue preexisting in the people chosen for the study? Considering a vast majority, pretty much 100% of the people I know who smoke weed are perfectly sane and fine, I'm pretty sure without any actual concrete evidence it's safe to say these effects are either negligible or non-existent.
It's well known marijuana causes temporary increased paranoia and other side effects, but these go away after people get used to the high, and are more due to the marijuana changing the way your brain works, it doesn't mean it's damaging. Effects will vary from person to person depending on their personality and state of mind.[/QUOTE]
Yea I know all that stuff man im pretty well versed in effects of many drugs, its kinda a huge interest of mine :v: I was just simply pointing out that your statement of saying "thats why people use vaporisers and brownies" kinda insinuated that those method stop the effects the articles are talking about.
[QUOTE=Atersk;37732846]The ignorance in this thread is [i]astounding[/i].[/QUOTE]
I hope you're talking about the ignorance on both sides.
[QUOTE=Bobie;37728070]you'd better have a source to support that claim[/QUOTE]
I need to source that drugs that make you relax make you relax ok
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[QUOTE=Stormcharger;37733005]Yea I know all that stuff man im pretty well versed in effects of many drugs, its kinda a huge interest of mine :v: I was just simply pointing out that your statement of saying "thats why people use vaporisers and brownies" kinda insinuated that those method stop the effects the articles are talking about.[/QUOTE]
a reasonable stoner itt
not possible
So it's either cancer in your balls, or in your brain.
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/19/marijuana-and-cancer_n_1898208.html?utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false[/url]
[QUOTE=steezydude;37733556]So it's either cancer in your balls, or in your brain.
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/19/marijuana-and-cancer_n_1898208.html?utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false[/url][/QUOTE]
I think you missed the part where it said that a cannabis derived compound stopped cancer cell reproduction in multiple types of aggressive cancer, and you actually manufactured the part where you thought it said it gave you brain cancer.
Well done.
Derived of =/= same thing FYI
[editline]20th September 2012[/editline]
doing weed doesn't cure cancer
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;37733786]I think you missed the part where it said that a cannabis derived compound stopped cancer cell reproduction in multiple types of aggressive cancer, and you actually manufactured the part where you thought it said it gave you brain cancer.
Well done.[/QUOTE]
I think you missed the part where it was a joke about two contradictory results, referring to the fact that one study showed a positive effect towards cancer, but the other showed a negative effect, creating a paradox wherein no matter what you did, you'd still get cancer.
Well done.
What McGii is saying is that the compound used to slow/stop the progression of cancer is a compound [B]derived from[/B] cannabis. Cannabis in its normal forms has little to no effect as a cure, and has a small but statistically significant chance of causing cancer.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;37732752]The fault primarily lies in the government. When they use scare tactics and deliberately misleading claims to dissuade people from using substances such as marijuana, it destroys any credibility drug education had and thus it leads people to believe it is actually completely harmless.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;37732784]Yea its annoying as fuck. People who think it is completely harmless are just as silly as the people who think its the equivalent of inhaling satan[/QUOTE]
Could not agree more on this. Never done anything like marijuana in my life, and don't intend to, but this really annoys me. As in my example on the previous page with DARE, I find that misinformation is outright dangerous.
[QUOTE=McGii;37733155]I need to source that drugs that make you relax make you relax ok[/QUOTE]
no, you need a source that is identical to the one i provided, but for a different drug.
surely if all drugs that make you relax do this it should be easy? go
I'm having my doubts, even with the thread title alone, I mean, "Science [I]suggests[/I]"? Then again, nothing in the article that I didn't know already. I'm not against weed in any way, legalize it for all I care, I very rarely smoke some myself, like 2-3 times a year or something. It's just so blatantly obvious that whatever you're smoking, it's just not going to be healthy, ever.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;37732615]Here's my suggestion to you, get your fatass off your computer chair and do something useful, go outside, get a job and contribute to society, get laid, go to school or something other than burning your cash to satisfy your video game addiction whilst wasting your life away by spending an entire day per week behind your monitor playing Dota 2 [I]alone[/I]. I'd rather socially smoke weed with friends and socialize as opposed to shriveling up behind my monitor and living the rest of my life alone and miserable.
[/QUOTE]I agree with the point you are making but I hate when people actually believe this, how ignorant do you have to be to actually judge people in such a way.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;37734992]I agree with the point you are making but I hate when people actually believe this, how ignorant do you have to be to actually judge people in such a way.[/QUOTE]
I'm trying to be ironic by reversing his logic, I'm not intending to be mean or to genuinely judge him.
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