Science Suggests Smoking Pot Raises Risk of Testicular Cancer, Schizophenia and Infertility - and Lo
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[QUOTE=Pat4ever;37729456]I can't tell if you're being serious or not, so I'll just respond semiseriously anyway.
You're completely right. People drink alcohol because they like the taste. Regardless, still a waste by your terms.
And if you've finished a game and done everything you can to do to replay it, keep playing it! If you bought it, you might as well treat it as a job. (You have a problem reading by the way, I said it was in total playing time rather than an actual day. Shame you can't blame that on pot smoking though.)
What's the point of waking up, if you're already woken up clearly? A waste of money. And there's also no point in soda, which is the complete opposite of fresh by the way considering all the carbonation and sweetners in it, but whatever puts you to sleep tubby. Why even waste money buying soda, when you can just drink fresh and good water for the rest of your life!
And in actuality, alcohol is much more expensive than weed, mostly due to taxing, something marijuana would have if it's legal. But that's okay, because they're drinking it for fun! And we all know that alcohol is 100% good for you and your body! While marijuana causes liver damage, kidney damage, memory loss, automobile accidents, frequent urination, nausea, dehydration, brain damage, diabetes, and heart disease! Wow! No wonder it's illegal![/QUOTE]
No, I read that alright. And you still don't buy a game to play it for the total ammount of a day.
You're taking everything literaly. Waking up for real, not being with your eyes open and your head still half awake, with probabilities of doing something wrong.
And that is true, except you also have to pay for water, unless you drink the shit that comes out of the pipes full of chemicals and an actual taste to them. And why are you comparing a 1€ can of soda to whatever ammount of pot that you can get? It would never be the same, 1€ of weed wouldn't get you anywhere.
I didn't say any of that.
But just like a huge ammount of alchool can fuck you up, so can weed, although if higher usage needed.
Oh, and I'm not tubby at all. 1.80cm and 60kg, and I can drink as much soda as I can and eat as much as I want that I wont gain any weight at all.
[QUOTE=McGii;37734281]Derived of =/= same thing FYI
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doing weed doesn't cure cancer[/QUOTE]
You also seem to have missed the part where he literally plucked the whole "causes brain cancer," out of the aether.
[QUOTE=Uberpro;37727152]Also there is a lot of violence from where your weed comes, if there's one product you should boycott, that's marijuana.[/QUOTE]
From what I gather from your comments you sound like a really uninformed person.
I get my marijuana from my friend who knows a guy who grows it.
So much violence man, crazy. Also you would eliminate the criminal aspect of marijuana if you would legalize it.
The part you snipped away stated that all stoners are stupid. That is wrong. Marijuana has no effect on your brain [B]AFTER[/B] it's been developed (age 18-19). None at all. I began smoking at 18 and I have been doing that usually 2-3 weekends per month and I'm still a pretty good student, usually above the average grade in my class. I also hang around with a lot of stoners and one for example is 3 years ahead of everyone his age. He is studying medicine at the age of fucking 17. Is that stupid? No.
Stop generalizing. Maybe you think that all Muslims go on jihad or that every gay person has aids.
Turpa kiinni.
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;37734871]What McGii is saying is that the compound used to slow/stop the progression of cancer is a compound [B]derived from[/B] cannabis. Cannabis in its normal forms has little to no effect as a cure, and has a small but statistically significant chance of causing cancer.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://healthland.time.com/2012/01/10/study-smoking-marijuana-not-linked-with-lung-damage/[/url]
[url]http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070417193338.htm[/url]
Look I'm not gonna be one of those guys who denies all downsides to weed, you're inhaling a burning organic compounds, that's got a whole ton of negatives, but if you vape then there's no reason for you to suffer any respiratory issues at all.
[QUOTE=Chicken_Chaser;37731537]I'm acknowledging that my words below are me mostly venting messily.
You speak like a true straight edge. Why do a lot of straight edges have this pissy "I'm better than you" attitude? Stop being scared, because that's what it is for a lot of straight edges. They get scared and nervous around people smoking or drinking. Why do you seem to never do any research yourselves? You're also acting like marijuana has no medicinal benefits. Apply yourself and research, damnit. The stress it relieves alone makes it wonderful, and if you think it decimates minds, you've either not smoked it more than once or you only hang out with 13 year old edgy shits that shouldn't be smoking weed until they're older. And justify the "JUST TAKE XANAX OR SOME OTHER PILL YOU DONT NEED WEED GAWWW" attitude. I love how some of you have never met hard workers that smoke multiple times a week. The problem is you and the losers that you are around if they can't be functional.
And also, about the mexican shit (and correct me if I'm wrong), SHIT weed comes from Mexico. The hard shit full of seeds and stems with. No one I know tolerates that junk unless there's no good weed around, and I live not too far from Mexico. People buy dank weed that's grown in-country. Instead of telling people "hurr don't buy weed you assholes" hows about you put that angst towards your elected officials? There's nothing wrong enjoying cannabis, and if you're arrogant enough to say it's a waste of money, you're lost in your own little fearful world. If you want to be consistent, everything but making money at a shit factory job is a waste of time. Films? Waste. Games? Waste. Comedy shows? Waste. And heaven forbid someone that gets high and does a hobby they enjoy like martial arts, reading, or gaming.
tldr I don't give a shit if you smoke weed or not, and I deserve the same level of mutual respect.[/QUOTE]
What :v:
I'm not saying anything of the sort of "I'm better than you" nor am I scared of being around people smoking or drinking. In fact, I used to smoke one here or there.
I'm not acting like marijuana doesn't has medical benefits. It also wouldn't be the first drug to have its side effects and it wouldn't be the first drug to have a huge warning about not using it whenever doing something that requires an attention span.
And I didn't tell anyone to take something else instead. I SUGGESTED not wasting money on something you don't really require.
Thing is, in all of those things you said, you're actually getting something out of it and not burning it to oblivion.
So many people I see saying shit is expensive, but they still wont give up weed or smoking for it. They'd rather literaly burn their money.
But whatever, its your health and your money.
[QUOTE=dass;37735155]What :v:
I'm not saying anything of the sort of "I'm better than you" nor am I scared of being around people smoking or drinking. In fact, I used to smoke one here or there.
I'm not acting like marijuana doesn't has medical benefits. It also wouldn't be the first drug to have its side effects and it wouldn't be the first drug to have a huge warning about not using it whenever doing something that requires an attention span.
And I didn't tell anyone to take something else instead. I SUGGESTED not wasting money on something you don't really require.
Thing is, in all of those things you said, you're actually getting something out of it and not burning it to oblivion.
[b]So many people I see saying shit is expensive, but they still wont give up weed or smoking for it. They'd rather literaly burn their money.[/b]
But whatever, its your health and your money.[/QUOTE]
So the problem there is you know people who are slightly more intelligent than knuckle dragging cavemen and thus judging everyone who smokes based on that.
And you get the exact same thing out of weed that you get out of games, enjoyment, it's a massive fucking giggle getting together with a few friends, sitting down, getting high and playing shit like Civ 5 and Machinarium trying to do puzzles and shit whilst you're obscenely retarded.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;37732615]Why do you care so much? You spend almost 60 hours on Steam every two weeks. That is more than 24 hours of gameplay [I]per week[/I]. Here's my suggestion to you, get your fatass off your computer chair and do something useful, go outside, get a job and contribute to society, get laid, go to school or something other than burning your cash to satisfy your video game addiction whilst wasting your life away by spending an entire day per week behind your monitor playing Dota 2 [I]alone[/I]. I'd rather socially smoke weed with friends and socialize as opposed to shriveling up behind my monitor and living the rest of my life alone and miserable.
Oh but what I said was unfair because [I]you do useful things[/I] on your spare time right? So what makes you think people who do marijuana do not at all? Is it just absolutely impossible to smoke marijuana and not allocate time and cash for other things? After all, I'm pretty sure you spend more time playing Dota 2 than the amount of time the average marijuana-user devotes to smoking.
I mean goddamn, I don't smoke and I do think it has adverse effects, but you're in no position to talk when it comes to managing your time and doing something useful. I wouldn't have responded or cared at all if you said why marijuana is bad, but your shitty and arrogant "I'm a better human being than you" attitude when you aren't at all, just reeks of projection and insecurities.[/QUOTE]
What's more fun about this is that I'm not fat at all with only 60kg and haven't wasted money in a game ever since CS:GO was released, which costed 10€, which is a fraction of what I get fixing things around the house AND still find a heap load of time to play a free game with whoever I want, while also going out wherever I want with my friends and never mooching off my parents for money to buy weed/cigars/alchool.
What's more fun is that I don't have a "I'm better than you" attitude at all, and half of my friends consist of stoners who I get along with pretty well.
What I also know is that the average teen that smokes, always mooches tobacco and whines that he has no money. I can only imagine how it would be with weed.
But sure, a suggestion sure means I'm better than anyone and that weed is bad for you. You REALLY need weed aswell don't you?
A+ reading there people :rolleyes:
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[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;37735177]So the problem there is you know people who are slightly more intelligent than knuckle dragging cavemen and thus judging everyone who smokes based on that.
And you get the exact same thing out of weed that you get out of games, enjoyment, it's a massive fucking giggle getting together with a few friends, sitting down, getting high and playing shit like Civ 5 and Machinarium trying to do puzzles and shit whilst you're obscenely retarded.[/QUOTE]
I thought I wrote "so many people" instead of "everyone who smokes".
[QUOTE=dass;37735229]What's more fun about this is that I'm not fat at all with only 60kg and haven't wasted money in a game ever since CS:GO was released, which costed 10€, which is a fraction of what I get fixing things around the house AND still find a heap load of time to play a free game with whoever I want, while also going out wherever I want with my friends and never mooching off my parents for money to buy weed/cigars/alchool.
What's more fun is that I don't have a "I'm better than you" attitude at all, and half of my friends consist of stoners who I get along with pretty well.
What I also know is that the average teen that smokes, always mooches tobacco and whines that he has no money. I can only imagine how it would be with weed.
But sure, a suggestion sure means I'm better than anyone and that weed is bad for you. You REALLY need weed aswell don't you?
A+ reading there people :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
what how much money do you get for fixing things around the house
I have to fix things around the house for free because I live in said house
[QUOTE=dass;37735229]What I also know is that the average teen that smokes, always mooches tobacco and whines that he has no money. I can only imagine how it would be with weed.[/QUOTE]
I've been using tobacco since I was 17 and drinking alcohol since I was 17 and I've never, not even once, mooched of money from my parents to fund my addictions. It's called a job. I hear most people can get one.
Same goes for my weed, which I often get for free but I moved out of my parents house before I started using that.
Video games are just as bad, if not worse. At least weed helps me with various things like insomnia, being creative or if I hurt my self, like my legs are pretty fucked up for some reason and I often get huge pains there so instead of popping pain killers and drowning my sorrows away in Minecraft or CS I can just go smoke a joint or two, cook an amazing meal and watch a movie with my room mate.
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[QUOTE=dass;37735229]But sure, a suggestion sure means I'm better than anyone and that weed is bad for you. You REALLY need weed aswell don't you?
A+ reading there people :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
No you weren't giving people a "suggestion" You were being highly condescending and being a dick about telling people how to spend their own money.
There are so many in this thread who obviously have some predisposed stigma against marijuana before this study even came out.
I don't think anyone's arguing that there aren't negative effects, simply that the effects suggested by this study simply aren't really applicable to ninety percent of us. According to this study the only long term effects on IQ were for those who had smoked heavily as a teenager. This isn't really going to be a problem or worrying effect for those of us who smoked around five times before the age of 18.
Do I think marijuana is a wonder drug? No
But I'd argue that the experiences I've garnered through the use of the drug recreationally have ironically made me a more thoughtful and conscientious person, as ironic as that sounds.
Hell look at this study which suggests that not only does marijuana not have long lasting impacts on IQ but that moderate use actually correlated with an increase in IQ over the short run.
[url]http://www.cmaj.ca/content/166/7/887.full?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=cannabis&searchid=1025853946146_44&stored_search=&FIRSTINDEX=0&journalcode=cmaj[/url]
[quote]Results: Current marijuana use was significantly correlated (p < 0.05) in a dose- related fashion with a decline in IQ over the ages studied. The comparison of the IQ difference scores showed an average decrease of 4.1 points in current heavy users (p < 0.05) compared to gains in IQ points for light current users (5.8), former users (3.5) and non-users (2.6).
Interpretation: Current marijuana use had a negative effect on global IQ score only in subjects who smoked 5 or more joints per week. A negative effect was not observed among subjects who had previously been heavy users but were no longer using the substance. We conclude that marijuana does not have a long-term negative impact on global intelligence. Whether the absence of a residual marijuana effect would also be evident in more specific cognitive domains such as memory and attention remains to be ascertained.[/quote]
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[QUOTE=dass;37735229]But sure, a suggestion sure means I'm better than anyone and that weed is bad for you. You REALLY need weed aswell don't you?
A+ reading there people [/QUOTE]
You have a lot of angst, you should light one up and relax man.
[QUOTE=Uberpro;37735453]Only comment I made that still makes sense to me is this[/QUOTE]
I agree with that comment, yes. It's not harmless, although very very very very very very safe in [I]moderation[/I].
I'd take a gram of weed over a night of drinking any day though. More social, less people puking and doesn't fuck up the day after!
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;37735261]what how much money do you get for fixing things around the house
I have to fix things around the house for free because I live in said house[/QUOTE]
Depends on whatever it is.
I never got any money to spend on stuff, so while I finish studying and getting my driving license, I do whatever there is to do around the house.
Which is a lot.
And then, multiply it by 2 houses.
[editline]20th September 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Robbi;37735317]I've been using tobacco since I was 17 and drinking alcohol since I was 17 and I've never, not even once, mooched of money from my parents to fund my addictions. It's called a job. I hear most people can get one.
Same goes for my weed, which I often get for free but I moved out of my parents house before I started using that.
Video games are just as bad, if not worse. At least weed helps me with various things like insomnia, being creative or if I hurt my self, like my legs are pretty fucked up for some reason and I often get huge pains there so instead of popping pain killers and drowning my sorrows away in Minecraft or CS I can just go smoke a joint or two, cook an amazing meal and watch a movie with my room mate.[/QUOTE]
Video games are the reason I got such a huge imagination, which gave me some awesome ideas for short stories in exams and stuff.
And around here, its increadibly hard to get a job before being 18, and you only move out at that age if you have A HUGE load of cash, and even then, its not a good idea.
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;37734871]What McGii is saying is that the compound used to slow/stop the progression of cancer is a compound [B]derived from[/B] cannabis. Cannabis in its normal forms has little to no effect as a cure, and has a small but statistically significant chance of causing cancer.[/QUOTE]
Yes, and a cigarette has a much higher statistical chance of causing cancer. Along with many other everyday products... What's your point?
I don't think anyone actually considered marijuana to be a cure, just something to alleviate the pain of having cancer. Hence why it's proscribed to cancer patients.
Although the amount of reports that contradict each other, such as the ones that say marijuana kills cancer cells and the ones that say it's a completely harmless drug, just make me less likely to accept either of them until we get thorough testing done.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;37735488]No you weren't giving people a "suggestion" You were being highly condescending and being a dick about telling people how to spend their own money.[/QUOTE]
It's funny, because it WAS a suggestion.
I didn't point a gun at anyone nor did I call anyone a bad name for doing it.
All I did was a suggestion. You think whatever you want to think now.
[QUOTE=dass;37735587]Video games are the reason I got such a huge imagination, which gave me some awesome ideas for short stories in exams and stuff.
And around here, its increadibly hard to get a job before being 18, and you only move out at that age if you have A HUGE load of cash, and even then, its not a good idea.[/QUOTE]
So what? You could read and have a huge imagination, you could draw and have a huge imagination, you could just imagine things all the time and have a huge imagination. Video games aren't the only source for that. No excuse.
Also I've lived in Iceland most of my life. Economy crashed in 2008 and my country almost went bankrupt, do you think it was easy to find a job? No excuse.
[QUOTE=dass;37735661]It's funny, because it WAS a suggestion.
I didn't point a gun at anyone nor did I call anyone a bad name for doing it.
All I did was a suggestion. You think whatever you want to think now.[/QUOTE]
I dunno man but I've gotta say that this:
[QUOTE=dass;37728114]Hey
heres an idea
instead of wasting money on pot
wait, hear me out
instead of wasting money on pot
what if you... I don't know...
save it for something thats actually useful?[/QUOTE]
Is incredibly condescending.
[QUOTE=Strider*;37735490]You have a lot of angst, you should light one up and relax man.[/QUOTE]
Not angst, just people assuming things, but to be completely honest, I wouldn't mind doing that right now.
Bonus points if it cures insomnia.
[QUOTE=Uberpro;37726902]Nobody cares what you're to do to yourselve.[/QUOTE]
uhh what?
[QUOTE=dass;37735661]It's funny, because it WAS a suggestion.[/QUOTE]
[quote=dass]No, I meant instead of people wasting money on weed and fucking up their health because lol get high 420[/quote]
I'll cut you some slack because your obviously still a teenager but you need to grow up a bit. You act like it's such a waste of time and money but I highly doubt you know what it's like to work religiously all week, people need to let off some stress.
I don't think your "suggestion" is valuable whatsoever and I think that's the point Starpluck was making. Why do you know any better than I do how time and money should be spent?
[QUOTE=dass;37735679]Not angst, just people assuming things, but to be completely honest, I wouldn't mind doing that right now.
Bonus points if it cures insomnia.[/QUOTE]
it does cure insomnia in some people
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by the way nothing is a waste of money if the person spending it does not think it is and never regrets it
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;37735713]
by the way nothing is a waste of money if the person spending it does not think it is and never regrets it[/QUOTE]
In fact, it's only a waste of money if you buy it and don't like using it. Otherwise, you're getting your money's worth and doing something you like doing. Not a waste at all.
[QUOTE=Strider*;37735711]I'll cut you some slack because your obviously still a teenager but you need to grow up a bit. You act like it's such a waste of time and money but I highly doubt you know what it's like to work religiously all week, people need to let off some stress.
[/QUOTE]
There are plenty of healthier, cheaper and safe alternatives out there.
[QUOTE=Aphtonites;37735812]There are plenty of healthier, cheaper and safe alternatives out there.[/QUOTE]
That dont compare at all, and the health risks really aren't that bad unless you over do it so really whats your problem.
I find this sudden "turn" in direction to be quite instersting. A year back I was under the assumption that in FP "weed = gold", no exceptions.
[QUOTE=Aphtonites;37735812]There are plenty of healthier, cheaper and safe alternatives out there.[/QUOTE]
Or you know, you can just not care about what people are doing with their own bodies and let them do whatever they fancy?
[QUOTE=Aphtonites;37735812]There are plenty of healthier, cheaper and safe alternatives out there.[/QUOTE]
Show me proof that a joint once or twice a month will harm me severely in the long run? Did you read the study I posted above that showed an increase in IQ in moderate users?
I understand there are many complications with ingesting smoke but I honestly don't find toking that much worse than eating a fast food meal or two.
The alternatives are completely different. It's like suggesting someone should watch a movie when it comes out on DVD because it's cheaper. The movie theater is a different experience entirely.
[QUOTE=Mooe94;37686402]The article doesn't even elaborate on how the pot was taken. Was it hashish with tobacco, ingested with food, regular joints, pure clean, whatever?[/QUOTE]
I typically disregard these types of research topics because of this. Its basically all statistical
They don't give you actual numbers addressed to certain circumstances.
And they won't because the real truth is within those technical circumstances.
The fact is Marijuana isn't used responsibly by almost everyone who uses.
Take it for what it actually is medicinally and use as intended. The people that suffer
From memory loss, and lowering in IQ are people who abuse, therefore the research should be directed towards drug addiction not the longterm effects of marijuana.
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;37735673]I dunno man but I've gotta say that this:
Is incredibly condescending.[/QUOTE]
That's usually a joke...
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[QUOTE=Strider*;37735711]I'll cut you some slack because your obviously still a teenager but you need to grow up a bit. You act like it's such a waste of time and money but I highly doubt you know what it's like to work religiously all week, people need to let off some stress.
I don't think your "suggestion" is valuable whatsoever and I think that's the point Starpluck was making. Why do you know any better than I do how time and money should be spent?[/QUOTE]
I just find it a huge sinkhole of money.
You're killing cash in something thats gonna get you high just for a few hours, and possibly doing something bad to you if you abuse it too much.
Its like a carnival ride, except if you go through it too much and you might get a disease along with it.
Just an opinion. And unlike Starpluck said, I didn't act like I'm the best at all, it was even supposed to be somewhat of a joke.
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[QUOTE=Robbi;37735663]So what? You could read and have a huge imagination, you could draw and have a huge imagination, you could just imagine things all the time and have a huge imagination. Video games aren't the only source for that. No excuse.
Also I've lived in Iceland most of my life. Economy crashed in 2008 and my country almost went bankrupt, do you think it was easy to find a job? No excuse.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't changes the fact that even with a wall full of diplomas, it'll still be hard as hell to get a job here.
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