Science Suggests Smoking Pot Raises Risk of Testicular Cancer, Schizophenia and Infertility - and Lo
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Hey guys. It's said that if people get schizophrenia from smoking weed, they were going to get it anyway. Weed just makes the onset faster and stronger, as long as you catch it early enough you can deal with and solve the problems it may cause.
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Oh and IQ isn't really a clear representation of your intelligence it's just your ability to take an IQ test in my opinion.
IQ isn't set, it can fluctuate independent of neurotoxins or age related development.
Pot usage tends to lead to lower motivation, most of the people who were frequent users as kids probably didn't end up in careers or educational path ways of much intellectual stimulation.
I'd say the IQ differences have to do with this lack of personal intellectual development more than anything. I absolutely reject that this study conclusively proves that marijuana is a neurotoxin.
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Although, I do agree with the psychosis bit.
There's a hundred of these studies every year both FOR and AGAINST marijuana with no particular one favouring. The truth is, we don't know if weed is good or bad, but at the end of the day it's safer than tobacco and alcohol! This is just mindless propaganda. I know people who have smoked weed everyday for 20 years and have well-paid professional jobs and functioning lives.
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Smoke is smoke and will do what smoke does to lung tissue.
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What the fuck dude, smoke is not all same. Burning wood smoke and cig smoke are definitely not same.
the study looks at two factors and uses that as a blanket to invalidate all other studies, with there being only small differences between tobacco and weed. IE its about as reliable as the study that had masks strapped to chimps so all they could breathe was THC without any oxygen
[quote]Dr. Nora Volkow, director of the [b]National Institute on Drug Abuse[/b] which helped [b]fund the research[/b], said the research was "the cleanest study I've ever read" that looked long-term harm from marijuana use.[/quote]
Questionable.
I think society in general has far too much confidence in "science". This will be blown out of proportion and the average person isn't going to understand the problems with this study.
[quote=Nietzsche]"There are no facts only interpretations"[/quote]
[QUOTE=somescripter;37685279]There's a hundred of these studies every year both FOR and AGAINST marijuana with no particular one favouring. The truth is, we don't know if weed is good or bad, but at the end of the day it's safer than tobacco and alcohol! This is just mindless propaganda. I know people who have smoked weed everyday for 20 years and have well-paid professional jobs and functioning lives.[/QUOTE]
And i know alcoholics that are the same
I didn't post this as an anti legalisation thing but more of a "Yo weed smokers, you are wrong, it has severe negative effects you retards"
I'm not even here to justify smoking Marijuana, I just find the blind faith in "research" (ironic I know) so astounding.
[QUOTE=Strider*;37685308]Sure does whodie.
I think society in general has far too much confidence in "science". This will be blown out of proportion and the average person isn't going to understand the problems with this study.[/QUOTE]
Scroll up, I'm talking about the other study someone posted not the one in the OP
I'm the OP btw
[QUOTE=McGii;37685324]Scroll up, I'm talking about the other study someone posted
I'm the OP btw[/QUOTE]
Just caught that.
I'll take a look at what he is referring to, probably just as biased as this.
This is confusing me now fuck
The thing in the OP looks at the long term effects of weed and found that it increases the risks of a lot of diseases, especially for those who are still developing mentally
The other study looks at two very poorly defined factors, finds weed effects them slightly less, and uses that as justification to say all other studies are wrong no matter what factors they look at
Look at who funded this, that should spark at least the vaguest sense of skepticism for you.
It seems like they were looking for this result.
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[QUOTE=McGii;37685302]the study looks at two factors and uses that as a blanket to invalidate all other studies[/QUOTE]
That's exactly what the study in your OP does.
Not at all. The OP study looks at how weed affects your chances of getting ill whereas the one the other dude posted only looks at two poorly defined factors relating to lung performance and uses that to say all studies looking at how it effects the lungs on a whole are wrong.
The study in the OP found a correlation between IQ loss and teenage marijuana usage and then asserts that it must be a neurotoxin.
I don't see my argument that intellectual apathy (often associated with stoners) is what really caused this IQ loss as inaccurate whatsoever.
I just have so many doubts, especially when considering who funded it.
And no cognitive dissonance here, I probably smoked twice before the age of 18.
[QUOTE=Strider*;37685430]The study in the OP found a correlation between IQ loss and teenage marijuana usage and then asserts that it must be a neurotoxin.
I don't see my argument that intellectual apathy (often associated with stoners) is what really caused this IQ loss as inaccurate whatsoever.
I just have so many doubts, especially when considering who funded it.
And no cognitive dissonance here, I probably smoked twice before the age of 18.[/QUOTE]
obviously the IQ drop is really only going to happen with regular use. smoking it occasionally won't do anything.
Did anybody read the article? This is only talking about teens who smoke it heavily. It isn't even talking about adults, and we already knew it was bad for teenagers.
[QUOTE=Bert the Turtle;37685442]obviously the IQ drop is really only going to happen with regular use. smoking it occasionally won't do anything.[/QUOTE]
Yeah no argument here.
Again I'm just asserting that perhaps marijuana doesn't have a toxic effect on the brain.
Rather, maybe it is the lifestyle associated with marijuana usage which leads to the lack of activities that encourage IQ development.
[QUOTE=McGii;37684874]umm guys incase you didn't notice smoke doesn't goin to your balls or your brain so it's not the smoke casuing ball cancer and brain defects its the chemicals itself
not smoking is a lot better than smoking but weed has a lot more negatives that are permanent compared to the very temporary high[/QUOTE]
Yeah, so you're living proof to the IQ lowering theory, huh?
Alcohol lower your IQ, cigarettes gives you cancer. Why is weed the bad guy
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;37685495]Alcohol lower your IQ, cigarettes gives you cancer. Why is weed the bad guy[/QUOTE]
Because its illegal!
EDIT: 420 posts lol blaze it faggots.
[QUOTE=Strider*;37685465]Yeah no argument here.
Again I'm just asserting that perhaps marijuana doesn't have a toxic effect on the brain.
Rather, maybe it is the lifestyle associated with marijuana usage which leads to the lack of activities that encourage IQ development.[/QUOTE]
It could even be that the kind of people who smoke marijuana in the first place just aren't very good at IQ tests. Doesn't mean that they're not intelligent since I've seen evidence to suggest IQ tests are bullshit. Stephen Hawking and Einstein have the same IQ as Quentin Tarantino (a high school dropout (IQ of 160.)) Shakira and Hillary Clinton have IQs of 140.
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;37685495]Alcohol lower your IQ, cigarettes gives you cancer. Why is weed the bad guy[/QUOTE]
I guess it's because not many people try to justify drinking alcohol or smoking cigarettes while there's quite a lot of people who try to justify smoking weed as being harmless (or whatever)
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;37685495]Alcohol lower your IQ, cigarettes gives you cancer. Why is weed the bad guy[/QUOTE]
because "National Institute on Drug Abuse"
Again; Did ANYONE read the article? The IQ drop was only observed in teenagers that heavily used it before the age of 18.
[quote]Researchers compared their IQ scores at age 13 to the score at age 38 and found a drop[B] o[/B][B]nly in those who had started regularly smoking pot by 18[/B]. Those deemed marijuana-dependent in three or more surveys had a drop averaging 8 points.[/quote]
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And, yet again, people are rating me dumb for pointing out something clearly stated in the article.
[QUOTE=Strider*;37685515]because "National Institute on Drug Abuse"[/QUOTE]
They study the causes and effects of addiction and how it works inside the brain
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I have an IQ of 126 and I smoked weed for three years everyday before I turned 18. IQ literally means nothing.
I'm not saying that because I have an IQ of 126 this whole study is bullshit, I'm saying if I can have an IQ of 126 then IQ is bullshit.
3/5 of the thread is just "inb4 the drug guys show up!" or something along those lines.
I have an IQ of 45 and I've never smoked pot so this study is invalidated.
420 blaze it.
[QUOTE=Strider*;37685665]I have an IQ of 45[/QUOTE]
damn it i owe somebody money
Oh god, not this again...
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