Science Suggests Smoking Pot Raises Risk of Testicular Cancer, Schizophenia and Infertility - and Lo
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[QUOTE=McGii;37696511]
My granny died from lung cancer, my great uncle died of lung disease caused by pot smoking. I'm pretty sure that fits your bullshit criteria for whos allowed to be passionate about something[/QUOTE]
Well then it sure is a good thing that you don't have to smoke
[QUOTE=McGii;37696511]I dunno, spreading bullshit about how its a miracle drug is pretty harmful
My granny died from lung cancer, my great uncle died of lung disease caused by pot smoking. I'm pretty sure that fits your bullshit criteria for whos allowed to be passionate about something[/QUOTE]
This just in, McGii's grandmother and great uncle first to die from cannabis related cancer.
[editline]16th September 2012[/editline]
Oh wait, anecdotes are useless.
im not using that to claim anything you retards thats not how criticising an anecdote works
and no, my granny died from tobacco smoking and my great uncle didnt have cancer
[QUOTE=McGii;37696685]im not using that to claim anything you retards thats not how criticising an anecdote works
and no, my granny died from tobacco smoking and my great uncle didnt have cancer[/QUOTE]
grandmother smokes
great uncle smokes
die of smoke-related illness
i dunno but i may be seeing a weird trend here??????
moral of the story
dont do anything in excess
[QUOTE=Faz;37695478]Has anyone else ever noticed facepunch only listens to "studies" when they like the outcome?[/QUOTE]
Most of the time the study is pummeled with "didn't we already know this".
who needs kids when you got WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED
who needs fertility when you're gay
I had to sit through all kinds of drug and alcohol education sessions when I was in high school. They made me laugh because nobody really talked about weed, except that it sometimes gets laced with shit.
Now we're starting to find out some real details on it, which is good. The more we know, the more informed we can be when the inevitable legalization debates start.
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;37697298]I had to sit through all kinds of drug and alcohol education sessions when I was in high school. They made me laugh because nobody really talked about weed, except that it sometimes gets laced with shit.
Now we're starting to find out some real details on it, which is good. The more we know, the more informed we can be when the inevitable legalization debates start.[/QUOTE]
While I agree, I just don't believe outright making it illegal helps anything, and in fact just criminalizes people who want to put something into their bodies.
I believe marijuana, as evidenced by this, does have negative effects, but that if people over 18 wish to put something into their bodies, they should be allowed to.
[QUOTE=Faz;37695478]Has anyone else ever noticed facepunch only listens to "studies" when they like the outcome?[/QUOTE]
Has anyone else ever noticed stoners only listen to studies when they like the outcome?
Same shit retard. Are you fucking kidding me? Facepunch was full of threads of pro-weed propaganda for years.
I support the legalization of the vast majority of drugs, marijuana especially, but that doesn't mean I go around willfully ignoring that its not a miracle drug and that it does in fact have negative side effects.
[QUOTE=Faz;37695478]Has anyone else ever noticed facepunch only listens to "studies" when they like the outcome?[/QUOTE]
Facepunch only listens to [I]anything [/I]​if they like the outcome/overarching message
[QUOTE=Zally13;37697367]While I agree, I just don't believe outright making it illegal helps anything, and in fact just criminalizes people who want to put something into their bodies.
I believe marijuana, as evidenced by this, does have negative effects, but that if people over 18 wish to put something into their bodies, they should be allowed to.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, for the most part I agree. I don't believe the legalization of marijuana would be the downfall of civilization or anything stupid like that. I do think people need to be taught that just like alcohol, weed needs to be used responsibly and in moderation. There is also a time and place for weed, and during school is not it.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;37699052]Facepunch only listens to [I]anything [/I]​if they like the outcome/overarching message[/QUOTE]
I disagree. I've been active here for quite some time, and Facepunch has changed a lot. You used to risk getting hundreds of dumbs for bashing Valve, now, few care. I now regularly see posters standing up for the free-speech rights of people they [I]hate[/I].
I would say the maturity and argument skills have only gone up here on Facepunch. There are very few things you can disagree with and still have people go nuts (climate change, republicans, etc) and even those are starting to get better.
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;37694237]Never claimed it was the only solution, just a better alternative to some of the other shit they prescribe for it[/QUOTE]
Better? How?
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;37694237]For cancer, google is your friend, I can't be bothered to play net dog for you[/QUOTE]
You need sources to back up your argument.
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;37699071]Oh yeah, for the most part I agree. I don't believe the legalization of marijuana would be the downfall of civilization or anything stupid like that. I do think people need to be taught that just like alcohol, weed needs to be used responsibly and in moderation. There is also a time and place for weed, and during school is not it.
I disagree. I've been active here for quite some time, and Facepunch has changed a lot. You used to risk getting hundreds of dumbs for bashing Valve, now, few care. I now regularly see posters standing up for the free-speech rights of people they [I]hate[/I].
I would say the maturity and argument skills have only gone up here on Facepunch. There are very few things you can disagree with and still have people go nuts (climate change, republicans, etc) and even those are starting to get better.[/QUOTE]
The fact that there's anything that will get you dumbed to oblivion for simply appearing to support is credit to facepunch's glossing over of other opinions. Just because some opinions won't get people to ignore your actual point, doesn't mean that the problem has gone away.
I can almost guarantee that if I were to vocalise my opinions on drugs, I'd get more dumbs than disagrees.
yolo
(joking. Will continue regardless though because it's good fun every now and then. Don't see myself becoming a brainless zombie anytime soon, i do understand that it's risky but its also the druggest drug i've ever drugged)
Call me biased but when was the last time the news writes anything positive about Cannabis? What makes these studies any different from the bogus ones?
[QUOTE=danelo;37699633]Call me biased but when was the last time the news writes anything positive about Cannabis? What makes these studies any different from the bogus ones?[/QUOTE]
What makes the ones you support any more valid than this one? The fact that you agree with what they suggest? Well shit boy, let the scientific community run everything past you in future.
You don't get to pick and choose. if a study came out tomorrow that said ~"Cannabis cures death and everyone who consumes it weekly grows an 8 foot dick", I'd be sceptical, but if it passed through all the proof reading and such, I'd be forced to accept that cannabis is a positive thing (well, maybe not, the whole 8 foot dick thing wouldn't be good for sexy time).
If you look at a study and believe it or disbelieve based on your own opinions, be they religion or political, you're as bad as any number of evolution-disbelieving creationists that everyone rages at.
That said, this study backs up my beliefs, and so I'm quite happy to wait to be kicked off my smug straight edge pedestal by anyone and everyone with evidence.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;37699866]What makes the ones you support any more valid than this one? The fact that you agree with what they suggest? Well shit boy, let the scientific community run everything past you in future.
You don't get to pick and choose. if a study came out tomorrow that said ~"Cannabis cures death and everyone who consumes it weekly grows an 8 foot dick", I'd be sceptical, but if it passed through all the proof reading and such, I'd be forced to accept that cannabis is a positive thing (well, maybe not, the whole 8 foot dick thing wouldn't be good for sexy time).
If you look at a study and believe it or disbelieve based on your own opinions, be they religion or political, you're as bad as any number of evolution-disbelieving creationists that everyone rages at.
That said, this study backs up my beliefs, and so I'm quite happy to wait to be kicked off my smug straight edge pedestal by anyone and everyone with evidence.[/QUOTE]
Most studies in the past have never been close to scientific, most of them have had a hidden agenda behind them, like the ones that said that pot is as addictive as heroin or that it causes brain damage. Most of those studies have emerged from a "scientific community" and the researchers have been credited as "experts"
As for my own experiences, disregarding them as just an opinion isn't correct considering that it's really hard for me to believe any of the negative studies on cannabis where my experience of it have been literally harmless, nothing bad has come out of my recreational use of pot or has it with my friends.
[QUOTE=danelo;37700233]Most studies in the past have never been close to scientific, most of them have had a hidden agenda behind them, like the ones that said that pot is as addictive as heroin or that it causes brain damage. Most of those studies have emerged from a "scientific community" and the researchers have been credited as "experts"
As for my own experiences, disregarding them as just an opinion isn't correct considering that it's really hard for me to believe any of the negative studies on cannabis where my experience of it have been literally harmless, nothing bad has come out of my recreational use of pot or has it with my friends.[/QUOTE]
Oh, so YOUR experiences trump the information that comes from researchers?
Oh wait, they don't. Unless you have some reason beyond the fact that they're getting results that you don't like, to say they're not experts. You're looking at data and refusing to believe it because it conflicts with your beliefs, which is the single most moronic thing you can do. Grow a brain and start seeing the world as it is, without your "420 blaze it faggot" goggles.
You don't have a leg to stand on. Show me a single (credible) article of when there's been a study on cannabis with a "hidden agenda".
[QUOTE=McGii;37696511]
My granny died from lung cancer, my great uncle died of lung disease caused by pot smoking. I'm pretty sure that fits your bullshit criteria for whos allowed to be passionate about something[/QUOTE]
Most likely your great uncle was not only smoking pot, but also mixed it in with tobacco. It's a common practice and leads to misconceptions that damage caused is due to the weed, even though in most cases it's due to the act of smoking the rolling paper or whatever else is mixed in with it. A pipe is better, although not by much as it still contains tar, while an instrument that either uses water filtration or vaporization almost entirely removes harmful substances.
[QUOTE=danelo;37700233]Most studies in the past have never been close to scientific, most of them have had a hidden agenda behind them, like the ones that said that pot is as addictive as heroin or that it causes brain damage. Most of those studies have emerged from a "scientific community" and the researchers have been credited as "experts"[/quote]
Look for peer reviewed publications. If something gets published in a journal like Nature, you'd better be prepared to shift your entire world view of the universe because it's one of the most prestigious places to get published in. If you make it into Nature, you essentially are Kind of a Big Deal.
'Experts' on the major media outlets are equivalent to cans of hot air. Anyone can brand themselves an expert. It's meaningless at this point. Any place that can devolve into shouting matches, where logic is discarded in place of warm fuzzy opinions, and where everything is designed to be sensationalist entertainment to attract eyeballs has little credibility beyond providing you with the latest hot topics to go browse in an academic manner.
[QUOTE=danelo;37700233]As for my own experiences, disregarding them as just an opinion isn't correct considering that it's really hard for me to believe any of the negative studies on cannabis where my experience of it have been literally harmless, nothing bad has come out of my recreational use of pot or has it with my friends.[/QUOTE]
Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.
Pot doesn't cause you to turn into a drooling lack wit incapable of thought, but just because you haven't noticed any side effects doesn't negate trends. Your sample size is too small to say anything concrete. Nor do anecdotes account for the possibility of you being unable to notice trends should they exist. Nobody is capable of that level of introspection. This is why large blind studies, with control groups, and placebos, exist. To eliminate human error, emotion, and to correctly document edge cases.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;37700343]Oh, so YOUR experiences trump the information that comes from researchers?
Oh wait, they don't. [/QUOTE]
Under certain circumstances they do, just because someone represents some type of intellectual authority doesn't mean they have any idea what they're talking about. Again, if my experiences with pot have been literally harmless and researchers say that they case brain damage then I trust that my experiences completely trump their information.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;37700343]
Unless you have some reason beyond the fact that they're getting results that you don't like, to say they're not experts. You're looking at data and refusing to believe it because it conflicts with your beliefs, which is the single most moronic thing you can do. Grow a brain and start seeing the world as it is, without your "420 blaze it faggot" goggles.
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It has nothing to with with belief, that's why I used the word experience.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;37700343]
You don't have a leg to stand on. Show me a single (credible) article of when there's been a study on cannabis with a "hidden agenda".
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Do I really have to? Do it yourself.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;37700343]Oh, so YOUR experiences trump the information that comes from researchers?
Oh wait, they don't. Unless you have some reason beyond the fact that they're getting results that you don't like, to say they're not experts. You're looking at data and refusing to believe it because it conflicts with your beliefs, which is the single most moronic thing you can do. Grow a brain and start seeing the world as it is, without your "420 blaze it faggot" goggles.
You don't have a leg to stand on. Show me a single (credible) article of when there's been a study on cannabis with a "hidden agenda".[/QUOTE]
heres an article with an agenda of causing a long believed myth that smoking marijuana causes brain damage when it was actually because the monkeys only got marijuana smoke and no oxygen so the brain damage was caused by lack of oxygen
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/october/2/newsid_2540000/2540141.stm[/url]
[editline]17th September 2012[/editline]
also heres another bullshit article that was done in the past
[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-471106/Smoking-just-cannabis-joint-raises-danger-mental-illness-40.html[/url]
[QUOTE=danelo;37700456]Under certain circumstances they do, just because someone represents some type of intellectual authority doesn't mean they have any idea what they're talking about. Again, if my experiences with pot have been literately harmless and researchers say that they case brain damage then I trust that my experiences completely trump their information.[/QUOTE]
That's not how it works. You and your friends are what, 20 people? These studies do more than that and cover more that you feeling like you're fine. Your IQ may have dropped, and you wouldn't know it. This is how it works. They represent intellectual authority because thye hvae that authority, they're smarter than you, they've done this study and the number speak for themselves.
[QUOTE=danelo;37700456]It has nothing to with with belief, that's why I used the word experience.[/QUOTE]
You believe that weed isn't harmful because you have had no negative experience with it, you're splitting hairs.
[QUOTE=danelo;37700456]Do I really have to? Do it yourself.[/QUOTE]
I cannot prove a negative. Burden of proof is on you, in the same way the burden of proof is on creationists to prove the god exists.
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;37700480]heres an article with an agenda of causing a long believed myth that smoking marijuana causes brain damage when it was actually because the monkeys only got marijuana smoke and no oxygen so the brain damage was caused by lack of oxygen
[URL]http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/october/2/newsid_2540000/2540141.stm[/URL]
[editline]17th September 2012[/editline]
also heres another bullshit article that was done in the past
[URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-471106/Smoking-just-cannabis-joint-raises-danger-mental-illness-40.html[/URL][/QUOTE]
Okay, I'm going to read through that BBC article, but you're going to need to provide an article which shows it's bullshit, rather than just pointing at an article and expecting me to believe with nothing but your word for it (unless this is dealt with in the article, in which case, sorry).
The Daily mail is as creditable as Fox news is.
Edit: I saw the daily mail article and thought it was the BBC article, ignore that first little rant.
seriously man just search pot myth's and that study about the brain damage is always mentioned, its like the most well known myth
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;37700604]seriously man just search pot myth's and that study about the brain damage is always mentioned, its like the most well known myth[/QUOTE]
If its so easy, show me.
Allow me to clarify. I have firsthand experience with misleading horeshit being fed to people, namely young children. The DARE program, at least in my area, is one of the biggest farces and money dumps that I know of. They spend enormous amounts of time telling people that all manner of compounds, especially that marijuana will literally rot out your cerebral cortex and may turn you into a vegetable.
And the kids being 10-13 years old believe them. Then when they find something that shows that, wow, pot doesn't actually rot my brain and cause my teeth to fall out, they almost instantly discard the ENTIRE program as outright lies. In the future they reject a lot of information they get about negative side effects as invalid.
You see this with abstinence only sexual education. This is for all intents and purposes an extension of that. I'm not advocating teaching people how to properly shoot up, just as I'm not advocating teaching sexual education with live demonstrations, but misinformation is only harmful in the long run.
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